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Is “the Spirit of Christ” not Christ’s Spirit?
Hi Ed,
Do you men is the Spirit of Christ the spirit that Jesus was born and enlivened with ?
No.
Hi Nick,
Do you believe Jesus was born “Christ” ?
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God bless
Ed JEd,
- The Spirit of God comes from Christ so it is the Spirit of Christ.
- The Spirit of God was given to Christ so it the Spirit of Christ.
- Jesus walked according to the Spirit of God and so it is the Spirit of Christ.
- The Spirit of God grants Jesus preeminence in all things and so it is the Spirit of Christ.
- The third is why he is party of the unity of the Spirit.
- The fourth is why he is the one Lord in the unity.
- The first is the authority he has as one Lord in the unity.
- The secound is how he was invited to the unity.
The Spirit of God is not divided from the Spirit of Christ as they are the same Spirit.
Terrarica,
Kerwin
you have to pin point what is it you talking about for quoting a chapter his quit big and vague
You quoted the whole thing, I didn’t.
The words are foreknow and predestinate and both are in this sentence. I give two versions of it but every version I looked at agreed on the idea of those terms.
Romans 8:29Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The words are foreknow and predestinate and both are in this sentence.
Romans 8:29New English Translation (NET Bible)
29 because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters
Hi Ed,
Jesus was born as the designated messiah and those with spiritual eyes recognised him as such.
No he was not born already anointed.
The Holy Spirit came down on him at the Jordan and God testified that he was His son.
Do you believe Jesus was born “Christ” ?
Hi Nick,
This is a “Yes” or “No” question – I did not ask for a speech!
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God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
Since you do not appreciate the work I put into clarifying my position then what does this mean?
“Do you believe Jesus was born “Christ” ? ”
Does it mean he was born the messiah?
The answer is yes.
Those who do not love are not born of God.
Jesus was born the messiah in Bethlehem.
He existed in the form of God and came in the flesh.
Those who believe not that he came in the flesh are of the Antichrist.
Those who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah are of the Antichrist.
Nick teaches that Jesus is the flesh and the anointing (Christ) the Spirit. This denies that Jesus is the Messiah because Jesus is the flesh to him. Further, if he is just the flesh, then he cannot come in the flesh. If so, then flesh came in the flesh.
What Nick believes is an ordinary created man (Jesus) was joined by the eternal Spirit of God at the Jordan to become Jesus Christ a unique new being.
But believing this denies that Jesus came in the flesh because he really says that Christ came in the flesh instead. He denies that Jesus is the Christ because Jesus is just the flesh to him. He also denies the message of the angel of God that said, “Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.”.
Beware of Nick’s leaven. He denies some fundamental truths of the true faith and reveals the kind of spirit he is under as judged by the scriptures themselves.
@t8,
He existed in the form of God and came in the flesh.
God has no outward form nor does he have a species because he is the creator not the created.
God made space and space even without mass-energy is this universe.
Those that truly believe God created the heavens and the earth believe by logical progression that he has no body.
Therefore your hypothesis fails the test of Scripture.
The bottom line is Jesus exists in the form of God’s inward form because God has no outward form.
Ed,
Nick was nice to answer that question as I would not have since I would not have or would answer multiple times to cover multiple interpretations or perhaps found another solution. It is a trick question which shows a a lack of knowledge of the conversation about how words can be translated in more than one way. If you desire a yes/no answer to a question then phrase it so it is not open to interpretation or take a longer answer.
For example:
Yes, Jesus was the one God foreknew and chose to be Christ from before the world began.
No, Because Jesus would not become king until after his resurrection.
Maybe, because he was the heir to the kingship as soon as he entered the world.The only reason the last is maybe and not yes is it is only based on 1 passage where God instructs the angels to worship the Son when the later enters the world.
Nick disagrees with me on the last as result of disagreement of when the word gained the characteristics of humanity and Son usually refers to the Word or/and the Spirit.
By answering three times I reveal three possible interpretations of the question “Do you believe Jesus was born “Christ” ?'”.
Which way did Nick interpret it to answer it?
What way did you interpret it?You do not need answer those. They are questions to be considered with no answer needed.
Hi Kerwin,
Your response appears to be wishywashy:
On the one hand you say you would not address
my question, but on the other hand you are ???Because of your lack of genuineness is the reason I do not respond much to you.
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God bless
Ed JWhat way did you interpret it?
Hi Kerwin
Jesus was born “Christ” and therefore “the spirit” he was born with was “the Spirit of Christ”.
That is what the bible teaches! (See Micah 5:2) The “the Spirit of Christ” came
from eternity to Bethlehem NOT FROM ETERNITY TO THE JORDAN RIVER.
of course you are free to believe whatever you want.____________
God bless
Ed JEdJ,
If you want to believe that then do but the promised Messiah is a decedent of King David and the promised one is not a Spirit. When Jews speak of the the Messiah as the chosen King of God. David called King Saul the christ even though he himself was anointed the latter’s heir at that time. Basically Jews would understating Christ to means King and not the Spirit of Christ. The humans in the gospels are mostly Jews.
Since it also can mean Heir to the Kingship and that essentially would be the case that works as well.
Jesus is not King but he was not King when he was born.
Ed,
I know I answered it but that is why I chose to make it an “or” statement.
I worked as my wording as well so I would inadvertently be ingenuousness.
Communication can be difficult which may be why you worded your question vaguely.
Hi Ed,
” Jesus was born Christ THEREFORE he was born with the Spirit of Christ”
So YOU say.
Why would you adulterate spiritual truth with mere weak human wisdom?
It seems that when you are gripped with an idea you cannot shake it off.
Ed,
Jesus was born “Christ” and therefore “the spirit” he was born with was “the Spirit of Christ”.
Sorry, I misread what you said.
You are not claiming Jesus is the Spirit of Christ but that he was born having previously received it.
That is not something disagree with since he would have to have it in order to walk according to it.
Of course means he is an ordinary human being except for being chosen to receive the Spirit directly from God.
TO ALL…..GOD CAN AND DOES KEEP A PERSON EVENWITHOUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT ON HIM, REMEMER HOW GOD TOLD MOSES HOW TO PUT HIS NAME OUT TO THE PEOPLE OF Isreal, ” may the LORD bless and “KEEP” you , my He the LORD make his face to shine on you an be Gracious unto you, may the LORD lift up his countinence and give you peace.
ALL THIS CAN HAPPEN TO A PERSON AND THEY STILL MAY NOT HAVE THE ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD “IN” THEM. GOD CAN KEEP A PERSON WITHOUT THAT PERSON HAVING THE SPIRIT OF GOD ANOINTING ON HIM. GOD CAN CAUSE APERSON TO WALK IN HIS LAWS WTHOUT HIS SPIRIT IN HIM.
JESUS was NOT BORN the MESSIAH, THAT WAS HIS “DESTENY” FROM BERTH, BUT HE DID NOT BECOME THE ANOINTED ONE, TILL HE WAS ACTUALLY ANOINTED . IF HE WAS ALREADY THE ANOINTED ONE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED FOR HIM TO BE BAPTIZED, TO FULFILL ALL RIGHTIOUSNESS. THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT SHOWS “ANY” SPIRITUAL ACTIVITY OF JESUS TILL AFTER HE WAS BAPTIZED.
Peace and love to you all and yours…..gene
Gene,
I disagree with your libertarian idea of free will because it is essentially random will. It is a common idea of free will but it is also flawed and random will is not free. Many philosophers have come to the idea that free will can be predicted by anyone that knows the individual who is expressing it well enough. This being free must be controlled by the individual and not an outside force.
You suggest that God to chooses to control the will of a individual in regards to choosing good and evil. There is some evidence this may occur. Satan the tempter is bound in chains during the Messianic Age. In this case without being tempted to do evil the people of that time do only good. Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge on how to do evil before they ate of the fruit. Perhaps they also did not have the knowledge to do good but rather did it by instinct.
I do not believe Jesus lacked the knowledge of how to do evil or was not tempted by evil before he was immersed by John. I am convinced it would have violated the claim that he was temped just like us much like claim is God, angel, or anything superior to being a human being. Nick’s idea makes Jesus superior to humanity in order to resist temptation until he is immersed.
I on the other hand believe that except for his faith he was a normal human being in every way. God rewarded that faith by giving him the Spirit before he was first tempted to do evil and that was before he was immersed by John.
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