The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

[terraricca]

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so far i prove my faith through scriptures and you say i am lying for i inventing all ?

you cannot even prove your faith in scriptures or with scriptures without breaking any scriptures

[NickHassan]

Hi t,

You have proved nothing.

Just vanity and conceit is manifesting.

Start again.

[GeneBalthrop]

TERRARICCA, YOU HAVE NOT OR COULD NOT ANSWERED MY LAST POST TO YOU, AS GOD WHO LIVES KNOWS, WE DO NOT HATE YOU IN ANYWAY, BUT JUST THE OPPOSITE WE ARE TRYING TO PULL OUT OF THE DITCH YOU HAVE FALLEN INTO LONG AGO BROTHER. We are all reaching out our hands to you, what profit is it to offend you, while we do resist what you say, espically you accusitory spirit, we are trying to convience you of some of your ungodly conclusions, but we still see you as fellow seeker even if you lack the true understanding in some things Pierre.

peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

[terraricca]

hi guys

you mAKE GOOD politicians ,opinions don’t cut it ,most what you say is not supported by scriptures

[GeneBalthrop]

TERRARICCA. …Then why haven’t you ANSWERED THOSE scriptures I “DIRECTLY” QUOTED TO YOU in # 813495.? Truth is you pick and chose scriptures that YOU “SUPOSE” agrees with you, but fail to see those that disagrees with your supositions, which, I, NECK, AND KERWIN, AND OTHERS HAVE SHOWN YOU. Then getting you feelings hurt, you go to the other extreme, and go and hide for a while. Is it not in you to at least, “TRY”, TO SEE WHAT WE ARE SAYING TO YOU?

peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

[terraricca]

Gene

first ask a question or make a claim then show the scriptures next to it ,

or look at my claims and show me scriptures that i have broken

if not we have nothing to talk about

[GeneBalthrop]

TERRARICCA. ….AGAIN you talk around what i ask you, that is your way of avoiding truth, GO back and answer the scriptures, i quoted, for a change, and face the truth.

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[terraricca]

Gene

1Jn 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

if you do that then what you say and preach should be all in accord with the scriptures the truth word of God

[GeneBalthrop]

TERRARICCA. …AGAIN you dodge the issue, i was talking about Rom 2:16 , and you could not answer it, so you completely changed the subject. NO TRUTH CAN BE ESTABLISHED WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY DEVERT TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT, AND DERAIL THE SUBJECT BEING DESCUSSED.

peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

[terraricca]

Gene

can you only look and verse 16 and ignoring the context ? I don’t think so ;

Ro 2:6 God “will give to each person according to what he has done.”
Ro 2:7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
Ro 2:8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Ro 2:9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;
Ro 2:10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
Ro 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.
Ro 2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
Ro 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Ro 2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law,
Ro 2:15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Ro 2:16 This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

the way you see scriptures that is how opinions are made NOT TRUTH

[GeneBalthrop]

TERRARICCA. ….I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE MENTIONED, AS IT RELATES TO A SPECIFIC ISSUE WHICH IS OBVIOUS YOU ARE UNABLE TO COMPREHEND, SO YOU JUST QUOTE A WHOLE LIST OF SCRIPTURES THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE THAT WAS THE OBJECT OF MY POINT.

peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[terraricca]

Gene

you cannot play with God’s word ,the words are spirit ” mean contains ideas/wills/laws/directions/ ect………….

so it is needed to look at the context for the true understanding ,

if you make points of your opinions the scriptures are the wrong text to do that

[kerwin]

To those that want to understand prophetic utterance as if they were speaking of what has already been accomplished,

Revelation 13:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Was Jesus slain from the foundation of the world or was he prophesied to be slain?

[terraricca]

Kerwin

Revelation 13:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, 1 everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world 2 in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. 3
NIV ©
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
NASB ©
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
NLT ©
And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life, which belongs to the Lamb who was killed before the world was made.
MSG ©
Everyone on earth whose name was not written from the world’s foundation in the slaughtered Lamb’s Book of Life will worship the Beast.
BBE ©
And all who are on the earth will give him worship, everyone whose name has not been from the first in the book of life of the Lamb who was put to death.
NRSV ©
and all the inhabitants of the earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slaughtered.
NKJV ©
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

why is the AKJV the only one that mention your question ?

answer me first for all things lay there ;

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

The AV of the KJV is not the only one. The alternative translation just shifts what occurred before the beginning of the world. In it instead of Jesus being slain it is that all those that will be saved are already written in the book of life before they are born, much less do anything good or evil.

NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, 1 everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world 2 in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. 3

In either case it is speaking of something that will be as if it is.

It is not a passage friendly to the idea that the future is unknown to God.

[terraricca]

Kerwin

what God has said since the beginning is this ;
Ge 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

and this God said before the world we know began ;for prior to Adam sin this was not some thing to come forth ,

now God does not have to know everything for he had all ready established what will happen right then and there ;

now those that are written in the book of the lamb are the category of people not the names before they were born as flesh but where born by God’s true faith in him

for those that have trusted God will also trust his son , and since it was possible to be removed or graphed to the tree as a branch,

the scriptures is a progressive development of God’s will do to Adam sin and the devil rebellion ,(in the beginning of sin )

[kerwin]

Terraca,

now those that are written in the book of the lamb are the category of people not the names before they were born as flesh but where born by God’s true faith in him

It says “names” and I have never heard of it meaning category but perhaps you mean “characteristics” but that still gives the idea that God know our characteristics (categories) before the world began. That would mean he either or both planned our characteristics(categories) out then or new them beforehand. In short you are not going far with that one. Either answer is fine with me as I believe both are the case.

Please note that the same definition could apply to “name” in Revelations 19 or anywhere else it appears.

[terraricca]

Kerwin
It says “names” and I have never heard of it meaning category but perhaps you mean “characteristics” but that still gives the idea that God know our characters (categories) before the world began. That would mean he either or both planned our characters out then or new them beforehand. In short you are not going far with that one. Either answer is fine with me as I believe both are the case.

Please note that the same definition could apply to “name” in Revelations 19 or anywhere else it appears.

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take a step back for a moment and read this very carefully ;

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

now think who does the picking ?

[NickHassan]

Hi t,

Did you not say a spirit entered Satan in a recent post.

Please clarify.

[Ed J]

To those that want to understand prophetic utterance as if they were speaking of what has already been accomplished,

Revelation 13:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Was Jesus slain from the foundation of the world or was he prophesied to be slain?

Hi Kerwin,

Jesus was not God’s helper in creation as Pierre erroneously believes.
That verse (Rev.13:8) declares how the world was created through Jesus.

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God bless
Ed J

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