The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

[GeneBalthrop]

Proclaimer…..Why not answer Jodi, even if you ignore my answers, or act like you agree with them, when in fact you are not agreeing, so answer  hers , she has kept it simple for you, that shouldn’t over tax your thinking or mental ability, it’s not an essay but a very short  and simple scripture. So where is all your talk at, simple straight forward scripture, just one at a time, but still no reply by you, or others here why is that?   You do realize you appear  hypothetical , when you blurt out something , then don’t engage when your wants are meant.

Proclaimer …that is why we keep mentioning the same scriptures over and over and over here,  it’s because you people do not “truly” acknowledge them, but rather ignore then, or say yes like you do and then just go on with your same belifes which in fact are contrary to them,   so here’s your chance,  why run and hide?  Jodi and  I both can  engage you people one scripture at a time, thats easy, but at least acknowledge them as the truth and retain them as factual, and adjust you contary thinking to aline with those scriptures.

Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

 

 

[Ed J]

Hi Edj

You said: And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)

He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the cross
and was dead from three days and was resurrected and went to His Father.

The bible says Jesus was “the seed of the woman” which you seem to agree with,
Now answer my question: Jesus was the seed of which “woman”?

Anthony?

Quit dodging this question. You said you would answer, now answer

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi….let’s see if Proclaimer will respond to what you have written. You have kept it simple from him, the way he wants, so let’s see.
Please and love to you and yours……gene

[Jodi]

Hi Gene,

Yes, such would be nice if he did!

[Proclaimer]

Which statement is TRUE according to the passage below,

1. First you have a son of David and then God becomes a Father unto David’s son where God will give him His mercy and will settle him into His house.

2. First you have a Son of God and then God makes him into a son of David.

No 2 is closest. But no 1 is true too, but it is only looking at the small part of the picture.

Because God made the cosmos through the son of God. And when the son returns to Earth he has the name ‘Word of God’. We know that he is in the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos.  We also know that The Word of God was in the beginning with God.

No 1 is true from  the point of view that he emptied himself, came in the flesh, was obedient to God, and died for our sins, was resurrected into the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos. So if we look at the moment after he emptied himself and then came in the flesh as a baby, now all that stuff about his lineage, prophecy, and fulfillment as a man takes place because you see, he was a man.

In the bigger picture, he took a body like ours (man) so we can have a body like his (son of God). We can share in this precious divine nature too.

All you guys preach is the flesh.

[Proclaimer]

Anthony?

Quit dodging this question. You said you would answer, now answer

What about it Anthony?

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer,

Thanks for your clear response.

Of course I have problems with it based on scripture, but it was clear!

Problems, I will restrain myself and list just a handful,

Jesus didn’t ascend up to heaven existing as what you say he existed before, he ascended having been exalted as the Son of Man to sit at God’s right hand.

Likewise he returns as the Son of Man in our Father’s glory where he is said to still be of the DNA of David.

We are also told that he is going to sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh and he is a Son of God according to the Spirit by his resurrection of the dead where he received the PROMISED Holy Spirit.

We are told that God made humans in his own image, and that He did not create us in vain.

Lastly Ezekiel 36 tells us that God is going to give us a new spirit, a new heart of flesh and place His Spirit within us directing all our ways, causing us to obey him, for we are told in another verse, that all flesh is going to come to worship Him.

[Proclaimer]

Thanks for your clear response….

Jesus didn’t ascend up to heaven existing as what you say he existed before, he ascended having been exalted as the Son of Man to sit at God’s right hand…

No problem. Here is another clear response.

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Colossians 1:15-18
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

[Jodi]

Good Morning Proclaimer,

I don’t see that you addressed the problem from the scriptures you gave. 

YOU: In the bigger picture, he took a body like ours (man) so we can have a body like his (son of God). We can share in this precious divine nature too.

ME: Are you not saying that you believe the Son of God left his body to temporarily become a man so that we could have the body he went back to having?

But yet scripture says that his body is still human, and our promise is that God will give us a new heart of flesh and put His Spirit upon us, causing us to walk in all of God’s ways.

Wasn’t Jesus raised from the dead and said to have been on that day begotten by God where he received the promised Holy Spirit and the mercies of David, raised in GLORY, power, and made incorruptible?

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; forhis seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest,and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not hisbrother.

Those who are LED BY the Spirit of God ARE THE SONS OF GOD, such is how we are made into the image of the Son. The Spirit bears witness to our spirit that we are children of God. 

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU: 

No 1 is true from the point of view that he emptied himself, came in the flesh, was obedient to God, and died for our sins, was resurrected into the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos. So if we look at the moment after he emptied himself and then came in the flesh as a baby, now all that stuff about his lineage, prophecy, and fulfillment as a man takes place because you see, he was a man.

ME: I would like to add into the text your point of view as I understand it, if you don’t mind.

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee (combining your seed with my son from heaven where he empties himself of his glory to be made into your son), which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his (my Son who I made into your son) kingdom . 12 He shall build me an house,and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father (I will be a father to my son who I made into your son), and he shall be my son (who is already my son but now is your son also): and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom (where my son was before, prior to me making him into your son) for ever: and his (my son who I made also into your son) throne shall be established for evermore.

I’m confused with your doctrine if I have it correct or at least part of it.

YOU: In the bigger picture, he took a body like ours (man) so we can have a body like his (son of God). We can share in this precious divine nature too.

ME: First let me say that you needed to change what the text says considerably in the attempt to make it fit your doctrine.

 Even with your additions it’s still the son of David that receives an eternal throne where he sits on it according to the flesh. This contradicts however what you say, his human body was temporary so we could receive the body he had before. The body he had before was not of the DNA of David, the body that he had before was not that of the Son of Man, but yet that is the body we are told that he has. 

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer,

Let’s add some additional passages.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right…46: 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it…13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou VISIT him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

Psalms 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Now lets apply these passages to the below passages,

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Colossians 1:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1. YHVH created all things by HIMSELF and He created man in His own image.
2. From the beginning YHVH declared that a man would come and execute His purpose for why He created earth and man in the first place, as He didn’t create it in VAIN, He created it to be inhabited where Israel would receive glory.
3. The man who would come and execute YHVH’s purpose for His Creation is of Israel, a son of Jesse and David.
4. God promised to make this son of Israel a firstborn overall creation, make him higher than the kings of the earth giving him dominion over all the works that YHVH had made by Himself.
5. To execute His purpose YHVH was mindful of and visited this Son of Man, giving him of His goodness by begetting him of His Spirit, an anointing, where by such he could preach the good news of salvation, and he could deliver captives. He fulfilled His word unto David becoming a Father unto his son, where He led him with His Spirit.
6. All things that YHVH made Himself, He made it by reason of and for this Son of Man who brought forth eternal life becoming a firstborn of the dead.
7. He is a king of kings, a firstborn of many men who exist with eternal life and are of the image of YHVH, all Sons of God being led by God’s Spirit, just as YHVH had purposed before the world even began.

[GeneBalthrop]

Proclaimer …..Jodi is right.

IF YOU CAN’T SEE Jesus as real  human being who came into his “only” true existence  as a human being, and is still a human being,  who God the Father  has been highly exhulted and GLORIFIED,  you miss the whole point of Jesus’ existence, completely, and are unable to truley “relate with him properly”,  on any human level.

It wasn’t a preexisting God or Angel, or another kind of being,  that cried out, “My Go, My God , why have you forsaken Me”,  that was a  real human being that said that, and he wasn’t kidding about saying  it either.  That along should make you realize he had no experience with death “himself”  by giving up any type of existence he had in the past. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

 

[Jodi]

Hi Gene,

It’s interesting the level of passages that are denied and not applied.

Proclaimer wants us to focus on believing that we receive a body of which he believes Jesus returned to.

But we are told,

All flesh will come to worship God.

God made humans in His own image, not in vain.

Jesus is still called a human, and he appeared to many to give people faith in the resurrection of the dead.

Paul tells us we are raised with a body as Jesus was raised, in glory, in power, made incorruptible.

We are told that Christ will sit on a throne according to the flesh.

David seeing prophecy of his own son being raised from the dead said that his flesh would rest in hope.

Paul preached our hope was in the redemption of our body.

God promised eternal life before the world was unto the humans He was going to create in His image, so before the world even began the glory of man that was of and with God was eternal life.

You can be certain that the Son of Man Jesus while going up to the cross suffering being beaten and then nailed, was holding very tightly to this WORD of God. As a matter of fact he actually asked God to receive of this WORD, the glory that was of and with God for mankind promised before the world began.

We then read that indeed Jesus was raised in glory, in power, incorruptible where he appeared to many to give them faith that he was a first begotten of many from the dead having received eternal life.  

1 John 1: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of THE WORD of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was WITH the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

 

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi…..when we post direct quotes and they just ignore them, or deverter subject matter, it only shows they really do not have a love for the truth, because if they were they would be delighted at what we are presenting to them.  It’s very disheartening to me at times, but we need to keep trying  to hold out the truth, you never know who will come along, we have put our hand to the plow, we can turn back now.

But thank God for you and a few others, who have came and gone over the years.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

[Proclaimer]

Gene is thanking God that he found someone else who can deny that God made the cosmos through the Son of God and that the Word became flesh is Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. They are willing to say that the messiah is Jesus, but not willing to say that he is the Word of God despite both being his names. Their teaching on Jesus origins is not holy, rather it is full of holes.

[Proclaimer]

Who and what is Jesus to you guys? Just an ordinary man right? Anything else? And try to keep it simple. Let your yes be yes and no be no.

[Ed J]

We are also told that he is going to sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh and he is a Son of God according to the Spirit by his resurrection of the dead where he received the PROMISED Holy Spirit.

Hi Jodi,

I don’t know exactly what you believe, but what you are saying here is totally false.

1) Jesus did not become ‘a son of God” by his resurrection ???
1) The Bible says Jesus was born “The Son of God” (Luke 1:35/John 1:34)

2) Nor did Jesus receive the PROMISED Holy Spirit at his resurrection.

2) The Bible says Jesus received the PROMISED Holy Spirit
immediately after a water baptism in the Jordan river. (John 1:33/Acts 10:38)

____________
God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

@anthony

Hi Edj

You said: And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)

He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the cross
and was dead from three days and was resurrected and went to His Father.

Anthony?
Quit dodging this question.

The bible says: Jesus was “the seed of the woman” –
which you seem to agree with; now answer my question:

Jesus was the seed of which “woman”?

 

[Proclaimer]

If Gene, Jodi, and Nick wrote the Bible, they would never have said this:

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Colossians 1:15-18
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

[carmel]

Hi Proclaimer,

ME: Well SAID:

ALLOW ME TO ALSO REVEAL THAT

Jodi, Gene, and Nick never ACCEPT THIS

PURE TRUTH HEREUNDER:

I am the Root and the Offspring of David,

JESUS IS BOTH 

THE ROOT

and

THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID!

Jodi for instance ALL THE TIME SCREAMING ABOUT

DAVID’S SON, THE OFFSPRING

BUT NEVER MENTIONS

THE ROOT OF DAVID!

MORE TO COME

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

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