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- July 16, 2020 at 7:28 am#865007AnthonyParticipant
Hi Gene
Couldn’t you be deceived about somethings Gene.
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Keep a open mind forget things you where taught and study Gods word and ask Him for a whole lot of help.
God bless
July 16, 2020 at 8:51 am#865010Ed JParticipantTo All
(1)Jesus Christ came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven. Christ was another Adam — the second or last Adam that the apostle Paul talked about in First Corinthians chapter 15. (2)And though Christ was “made flesh” (a human as we are), (3)He was not descended from our earthly father, Adam.
God bless
Hi Anthony,
1 That’s right: “the spirit of Christ” came out of God and down from heaven to be born in Bethlehem.
The bread from heaven: Christ – was born in the house of bread: Bethlehem (see Micah 5:2)2 That’s right: “Wherefore
when he cometh into the world, he saith…
…a body hast thou prepared me” (Hebrews 10:5)3 That’s right: But if you do not believe Jesus came from Mary
you are throwing out these (and other) verses out of your bible…“And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.” (Gen 3:20)
And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)____________
God bless
Ed JJuly 16, 2020 at 8:59 am#865011Ed JParticipantHi Anthony,
When there’s a surrogate mother, it is not “her seed” (or DNA that is used)
But the child still has “The Seed” (or DNA) from the REAL/biological motherWho are you suggesting was Jesus’ “REAL Mother”? *IF NOT*, as the bible says, “MARY”?
The bible clearly says: “the seed of the woman”, well the seed of which woman if not Mary?(Please don’t dodge this question)
July 16, 2020 at 9:16 am#865012AnthonyParticipantHi Edj
Why do you think I’m throwing out those scriptures? Im not Edj.
You are actually throwing out a whole lot of Scriptures that has to do with The Imputation of Sins to Christ
When Christ died on the cross, and The Imputation of Adam’s Sin to His Posterity
This brings us to an important aspect of the doctrine of Imputation. Not only does God the Father impute our sins (all our sins and those of the world) to the person of Christ, the Father also imputes the sins that Adam (our first parent) committed — to each of us who are Adam’s descendants.God bless
July 16, 2020 at 10:27 am#865013ProclaimerParticipantI am not assuming anything.
Not so. You assume one set of scriptures about Jesus Christ’s humanity negates another set of scriptures regarding his ancient origin.
July 16, 2020 at 10:39 am#865014Ed JParticipantHi Edj
Why do you think I’m throwing out those scriptures? Im not Edj.
You are actually throwing out a whole lot of Scriptures that has to do with The Imputation of Sins to Christ
When Christ died on the cross, and The Imputation of Adam’s Sin to His Posterity
This brings us to an important aspect of the doctrine of Imputation. Not only does God the Father impute our sins (all our sins and those of the world) to the person of Christ, the Father also imputes the sins that Adam (our first parent) committed — to each of us who are Adam’s descendants.God bless
Right Jesus was not of Adam’s seed
-BUT-
He was of “the seed of the woman” – which woman?You dodged my question, just like I told you not to
Now will you NOW please answer my question!
July 16, 2020 at 10:41 am#865015Ed JParticipantHi Anthony,
When there’s a surrogate mother, it is not “her seed” (or DNA that is used)
But the child still has “The Seed” (or DNA) from the REAL(/)biological motherWho are you suggesting was Jesus’ “REAL Mother”? *IF NOT*, as the bible says, “MARY”?
The bible clearly says: “the seed of the woman”, well the seed of which woman if not Mary?(Please don’t dodge this question)
July 16, 2020 at 10:49 am#865016Ed JParticipantAnthony,
Here are three Scripture verses that you need to
smudge out of your bible (as you don’t believe them)“Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)“Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David,
and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?” (John 7:42)“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David
was raised from the dead according to my gospel” (2 Tim 2:8)No he wasn’t, Anthony told us he wasn’t
How far do you think that will get you?July 16, 2020 at 10:54 am#865017ProclaimerParticipantIs Anthony denying this? If so, then one could make the case that Jesus is not the messiah if we accept that.
July 16, 2020 at 11:07 am#865018AnthonyParticipantHi Proclaimer
Read my post , do you think I’m deny them Scriptures.
July 16, 2020 at 11:28 am#865019Ed JParticipantAnthony, this is now the 4th time I’m asking you this question, will you please answer???
Hi Anthony,
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When there’s a surrogate mother, it is not “her seed” (or DNA that is used)
But the child still has “The Seed” (or DNA) from the REAL(/)biological mother
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Who are you suggesting was Jesus’ “REAL Mother”? *IF NOT*, as the bible says, “MARY”?
The bible clearly says: “the seed of the woman”, well the seed of which woman if not Mary?
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(Please don’t continue dodging this question)July 16, 2020 at 11:34 am#865020Ed JParticipant“Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)
/
“Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David,
and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?” (John 7:42)
/
“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David
was raised from the dead according to my gospel” (2 Tim 2:8)
/
No he wasn’t, Anthony told us he wasn’t
How far do you think that will get you?Is Anthony denying this? If so, then one could make the case that Jesus is not the messiah if we accept that.
He said he doesn’t believe it, here are his words…
(You tell me if you think I read his words wrong)Hi All
I don’t belive that Jesus Christ had any DNA from any human.
July 16, 2020 at 11:44 am#865021carmelParticipantHi, Edj,
YOU: The bible clearly says: “the seed of the woman”, well the seed of which woman if not Mary?
(Please don’t dodge this question)
EVE.
When it comes to
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.
THE HUMAN NATURE OF JESUS.
IN CAIN.
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8
MARY.
When it comes to
THE SON OF GOD IN
THE HOLY GHOST
from ADAM IN
ABEL/SETH
THE DIVINE NATURE OF JESUS.
THESE TWO DIFFERENT LINEAGES MET
IN THE BIRTH OF
ISACC supposed the PHYSICAL seed of
ABRAHAM
BUT IN ACTUAL FACT IT WAS
THE SPIRITUAL SEED OF GOD.
IN ABRAHAM’S CONCEPTION
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM
( IN ABRAHAM’S MOTHER’S WOMB, “THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man, to maintain His primacy, AS THE FIRST PATRIARCH)
ISAAC IS THE ACTUAL BEGINNING OF JESUS’TWO NATURE:
THROUGHOUT GOD’S INTERVENTION!
NOTHING INTERMINGLED WITH SATAN AND HIS CURSED WORLD
THE ETERNAL COVENANT
SON OF GOD /SON OF MAN,
ABRAHAM NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE WITH SARAH and
SARAH NEVER WAS PREGNANT WITH ISAAC.
SHE WAS BLESSED AND WAS GIVEN ISAAC, AS MARY WAS GIVEN JESUS.
GENESIS 21:1 And the Lord visited Sara,
as he had promised:
and fulfilled what he had spoken.
2And she conceived and bore a son (ALL IN ONE INSTANT)
in her old age,
AT
the time that God had foretold her.
3And Abraham called the name of his son, whom Sara bore him, Isaac.
ONLY ABRAHAM GAVE THE NAME OF HIS SON. ( BY THE PROMISE, SPIRITUAL)
NORMALLY THE WOMAN GIVES THE NAME OF HER CHILDREN. (PHYSICAL)
4And he circumcised him the eighth day, as God had commanded him, 5When he was a hundred years old:
for at this age of his father, was Isaac born.
ABRAHAM SUFFERED FROM
ED, erectile dysfunction,
6And Sara said: God hath made a laughter
FOR ME:
whosoever shall hear of it will laugh with me.
7And again she said:
Who would believe that Abraham should hear
that Sara gave ( ONLY ) suck to
A SON, ( SHE NEVER WAS PREGNANT WITH ISAAC, CONFIRMED: )
whom she bore to him
in his
old age? ( INFERTILE)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
July 16, 2020 at 12:01 pm#865022AnthonyParticipantHi Edj
Jesus Christ came out of the Father before anything Edj and he looks just like His Father and they look like a human, we were created in God’s images. Did they have a body like us No they have a Spiritual body. You can’t see them but you can see what they do, there like the wind. Tell me Edj can someone that was created by Them be a biological mother to either one of them lets just say the only begotten Son all things were created through and by Him. What i like to hear from you is a answer to this
was Jesus Christ born with Adam’s sin? Yes or no can you honestly say yes because if you think that He actually had He would have been able to die for our SIN pass down from Adam or any human.
God bless
July 16, 2020 at 12:03 pm#865023AnthonyParticipantEdj. ******
He wouldn’t have been able to die for our SIN
July 16, 2020 at 12:41 pm#865024Ed JParticipantHi Edj
You said: And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the cross
and was dead from three days and was resurrected and went to His Father.The bible says Jesus was “the seed of the woman” which you seem to agree with, now
Jesus was the seed of which “woman”?
FIFTH TIME NOW
July 16, 2020 at 12:45 pm#865025Ed JParticipantStop presenting yourself with your own questions
instead answer mine – Ok?
July 16, 2020 at 1:14 pm#865026Ed JParticipantAnthony, when I present you with a verse that appears to disagree with what you are telling us
And you say that “it doesn’t” and dodge giving us an explanation as to *WHY* doesn’t cut it!
An explanation is warranted: why you feel the verse doesn’t disagree with your premise.
July 16, 2020 at 1:22 pm#865027Ed JParticipantYou can’t just sweep verses that disagree with you under the rug
July 16, 2020 at 5:30 pm#865029ProclaimerParticipantRead my post , do you think I’m deny them Scriptures.
If you believe that he is of the seed of David, then you are not denying it.
What I read in scripture is that he had glory with the Father before the cosmos, emptied himself, came in the flesh by being born to Mary, lived as a baby, boy, man, and was obedient to God even dying on the cross for our sins. He is now back in the glory he had before. And his body is as such that we will also have if we escape the corruption in the world.
It looks like he partook of our nature so we could inherit his nature.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
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