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Anthony…..Good because what you preach is a waste of time to me, as Jodi said your teachings are pure garbage. You leave out many, many, scriptures to forge you deceptions. But I truly don’t hold that against you, because I know you are decieved. My wish for you is our “ONLY GOD”, will open your eyes brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi T8
Thanks T8 I won, Great, lol
Hi Jodi
Maybe you’re looking for a place in the Bible where Jesus says, “I am God; worship me” in those exact words. If we suggest that Jesus could only claim to be God by saying that one sentence, we might also ask where He says, “I am a great teacher, but not God,” or, “I am just a prophet; don’t worship me.” The Bible doesn’t say that, either. God bless
Anthony…..No, but the words from the mouth of God says, you shall have “no” other God besides me, you shall make no “image” of me, in heaven above and earth beneath. And again, “for you shall worship “no” other God: for the LORD, whose name is jealous, is a jealous God.”
Exo 20:3….. “you shall have “no” other God’s before me. You shall make unto you “any” graven “image”, or “any” likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shall not bow down they self to them, nor serve them: for the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the i niquities of the Fathers upon the childern unto the third generation of them that hate me; and showing mercy unto them that love me, an keep “my” commandments”.
Tell us Anthony have you made another God?, do you fall down and worship him as your God? Do you say in your heart, to Jesus, “my LORD GOD” meaning one and the same being, or do you say “my” lord “and” my God” meaning the lord Jesus christ, and the LORD God, who was “in” him? Do you worship the created the same as the creator?
Do you “truly” believe Jesus, when he said “that they might know “you” the “only” true God”, “and” Jesus christ who you have sent. Why do you despise the words of Jesus?
Anthony do you despise God the Father’s words , by making “another” God? Why do you throw these things out of you bible, and come here and expect us to seriously even consider what you and your false teachers say.
Anthony unto us (true believers) “there is only “one” God, and “one” mediator between men and God, the “MAN” Jesus Christ.” Remembers Johns closing words “little childern keep yourselves “from, Idols”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Anthony…..No, but the word from the mouth of God says, you shall have “no” other God besides me, you shall make no “image” of me, in heaven above and earth beneath. And again, “for you shall worship “no” other God: for the LORD, whose name is jealous, is a jealous God.”
Exo 20:3….. “you shall have “no” other God’s before me. You shall make unto you “any” graven “image”, or “any” likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under t h e earth: thou shall not bow down they self to them, nor serve them: for the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the i niquities of the Fathers upon the childern unto the third generation of them that hate me; and showing mercy unto them that love me, an keep “my” commandments”.
Tell us Anthony have you made another God?, do you fall down and worship him as your God? Do you say in your heart, to Jesus, “my LORD GOD” meaning one and the same being, or do you say “my” lord “and” my God” meaning the lord Jesus christ, and the LORD God, who was “in” him? Do you worship the created the same as the creator?
Do you “truly” believe Jesus, when he said “that they might know “you” the “only” true God”, “and” Jesus christ who you have sent.
Anthony do you despise God the Father’s words , by making “another” God? Why do you throw these things out of you bible, and come here and expect us to seriously even consider what you and your false teachers say.
Anthony unto us (true believers) “there is only “one” God, and “one” mediator between men and God, the “MAN” Jesus Christ.” Remembers Johns closing words “little childern keep yourselves “from Idols”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
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Hi t8,
If my post is long, let’s say because I ask that you read a whole chapter or more than one scripture at once, does that then become a problem for you?
Can you read the passages below and then discuss them?
2 Samuel 7:8 Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. 15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God RAISE up unto you of your BRETHREN, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
CAN YOU DISCUSS these passages t8??
It is MOST CLEAR,
“I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom”.
“A prophet shall the Lord your God RAISE UP unto you OF YOUR BRETHREN”
the child “shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David”.
Now pay attention t8, as THIS IS WHAT I DO time and time again of which you REJECT, you rebuke my words, when my words are exactly from scripture.
God promised his anointed king David that his son would become an eternal king, that son was born and God raised him up from among his brethren making him a prophet. When he performed signs and miracles like that of Moses, the people wanted to take him and make him their king, the king that God had promised would one day come. The people saw Jesus as their promised king, they were expecting a man of the fruit of David’s loins to be their king who would save them from their enemies.
Now t8, this is what I ALSO DO, I add even more scripture that speaks of what I just said.
9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
7 And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him. 8 And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strawed them in the way. 9 And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord: 10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Jesus went about doing good, like healing the sick, of which he was able to do because AFTER the baptism John had preached God anointed him with His Spirit, by such God was with him. Jesus of Nazareth having been CHRIO (to anoint) he was sent out to the people and by his signs and miracles they saw him as their Christos (anointed) and rightfully began to call him The Christos. God’s promise that they had been waiting for was fulfilled, God was to anoint (Chrio) a son of David a son of Jesse, he came and they “cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David”.
This is what I believe t8, but you tell me I am wrong. The “him” who was delivered by the hand of God to die for our sins, is a man approved of by God, Jesus of Nazareth, of whom God delivered according to His foreknowledge.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
t8, you will tell me my words below are WRONG, though they are directly from scripture, you just constantly speak as if you are fully ignorant to God’s word, you ONLY want to apply selected parts of passages and ignore the rest.
The world will be judged by a MAN who God ORDAINED, a MAN who God had DETERMINED/APPOINTED according to His COUNCIL/PURPOSE before the world was. This MAN brought forth by God’s FOREKNOWLEDGE, was raised from the dead given us assurance that we will be judged. This man having come by the foreknowledge of God, thus comes to us directly down from heaven, not from the world, but directly down from God according to God’s will.
t8, God’s WILL existed before the world was, God made all things through His will, all things came forth by His will, by His powers and by His wisdom, and His will was that He through a MAN would save that which was lost. Exactly WHY Jesus says he is the Son of Man who HAS COME to save that which was lost, that COMING was from the days of old, the COMING of a MAN to save the lost was a coming that was established before the world was even made. THIS is biblical FACT, given directly to you.
t8 you are directly told by God of His foreknowledge what was IN His foreknowledge. If it was IN God’s foreknowledge that a MAN would COME to save that which was lost, then it is THAT MAN that God had made the world through and for.
t8, you absolutely DENY God’s foreknowledge, you and others on this forum constantly speak words that are against His very WILL, His very purpose that He established before the world was.
A MAN was going to COME that is what you are directly told t8 in Acts 2, he comes by God’s foreknowledge of him, and he is anointed AFTER the baptism John preached, and he is SENT out to do good having been anointed AFTER the baptism John preached.
Hi Gene 👋
Micah 5:2
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
John 17:5
“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
John 17:24
“Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me Before the foundation of the world.
Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
Revelation 22:13
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Hebrews 1:11-12
THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT, AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.”
1 John 1:1-2
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life– and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us–
John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:15
John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'”
Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Revelation 2:8
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this. 2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not accordingly to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity.” Revalation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. Ephesians 1:4
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of,the world that we would be holy and blameless before Him In loveThere’s a whole lot of Scriptures you have to ignore, with your doctrine. You have to twist and explain away with your deceitful and corrupt mind.
God bless
To All,
Many of you refuse to discuss certain passages, and I know why, because they dissolve your doctrine. They are just too coincidental for many of you that you can’t even bring yourself to speak of them, it being too coincidental it might just be true, so you’d rather avoid them all together.
But connected verses aren’t just coincidental, they equate directly to that which is true.
A son of David is promised to come being begotten by God where God makes him into His own Son,
we later read of God promising that he would be mindful of a man visiting him and He would give all the works of His hands over to this MAN to have dominion of.
we later read that a man of the offspring of Jesse is to have God’s Spirit rest upon him, where through that Spirit he would be appointed to judge the world.
we read that God promised to call a man to righteousness so He could direct all his ways,
we read that a man is to be born again and he remains without sin from that begetting, and that to be a Son of God is for a man to be led by God’s Spirit,
Jesus is declared David’s son, and Jesus says that he has come to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness and the Spirit of God descends upon him, and God says “this is my beloved Son”.
Jesus says after, that he has the Spirit upon him, he has been anointed and sent, that he is the Son of Man that has come to save that which is lost.
We are also told after this anointing, that God sent His Son into the world that the world through him might be saved.
It is clearly given to you, The Son of God that was SENT, is the Son of Man, David’s son, who God begat with His Spirit at the river Jordan, having called him to righteousness where He would direct all His ways, and thus be a Son, and thus WHY when the Spirit descended upon Jesus God said “this is my beloved Son”.
Jesus did all that he did according to the God’s foreknowledge of him, a MAN who God said that He ordained, a man who God said that He delivered to the cross through His appointed purpose, a purpose that God created the world through. God revealed his purpose that was In Him from the beginning, to the prophet Isaiah,
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
A MAN is begotten by God’s Spirit, A MAN is sent to pour his soul unto death, a MAN receives dominion over the works of God’s hands, a man is to judge and divide the spoil of that which he is given dominion over. ALL of this was established BEFORE the world even began. All things were made through and for this MAN, who is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, and it is those brethren he divides the spoil with.
The clear message is of a MAN and of God being mindful of that man, that mindfulness was IN God before the world was created, He created all things by that mindfulness.
That mindfulness is God sharing His Spirit with His created, bringing them into His righteousness and His eternal life.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
A man is a Son of God because he is fully led by God’s Spirit. The Spirit of God in the MAN Jesus is what made him a Son, made him an heir of God, such is why the Spirit bears witness to us that we are also children of God, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ.
Jesus pre-existing has NOTHING to do with him being a Son of God, it has everything to do with God resting his Spirit upon him, a calling to righteousness where God would direct all his ways.
Hi Anthony,
APPLY this passage,
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
to this passage,
Micah 5:2
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”The GOING forth of the man from the tribe of Judah is from long ago, NOT him existed from long ago, HIS COMING was planned before God made the world.
THE MAN approved of by God Jesus of Nazareth, who is of the tribe of Judah, was delivered to the cross by the foreknowledge of God, the coming forth of this man onto the cross to die for our sins, had been God’s APPOINTED purpose before the world was.
WHO goes forth on the cross, the MAN Jesus of Nazareth, and this going forth had been told prior by the prophet Micah, before Micah Isaiah spoke of it, before Isaiah David spoke of it, before that Abraham, before that, this coming forth of this man was God’s determined purpose before He made the world.
Anthony and ALL,
Is it a LIE or the TRUTH to say,
Our heavenly Father, before time began, had planned for the man Jesus of Nazareth to come forth on the cross to die for our sins?
Our heavenly Father, before time began, had planned that Jesus would be the firstborn of the dead of many brethren?
Our heavenly Father, before time began, had planned to be mindful of a man, visit him, and give all dominion of the works of His hands over to?
Hi Anthony,
I see you are giving a post that leaves out some very crucial scriptures. I can take all of those scriptures you gave and connect them truthfully to the ones you REFUSE to let in to your understanding.
If you want any credibility you will incorporate those scriptures.
Use Samuel 7, Psalm 2,8, 89, Isaiah 11, 42, 45, 53, 61, Luke 4, Acts 2, 10, 13, 17, John 3, Romans 1,8, Ephesians 4, and 1 Corinthians 15 for starters.
Anthony,
Very simple,
Who said, Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
NOW apply it to Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Jesus didn’t speak Isaiah 45, Jesus was IN the WORD spoken in Isaiah 45, that word spoken by Isaiah became truth in the flesh.
Before Isaiah spoke this word of God of which Jesus was IN that word, that WORD had been WITH God before the world was.
WHEN did that WORD begin to be preached unto the people??
Let’s APPLY John 1 with Acts 10,
36 THE WORD which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That WORD, I say, ye know, which was PUBLISHED throughout all Judaea, and BEGAN from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
What is John chapter 1 all about, the fulfillment of prophecy of Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61, which Acts speaks of that fulfillment!!
John 1 is giving you the account of John the baptist leading the way for the Lord, and then baptizing him, where then the Spirit descends on Jesus like a dove, Jesus being anointed according to Acts 10, which is God’s word from Isaiah being made true in the flesh of Jesus. What was God’s word in Isaiah that became true upon the Spirit descending upon Jesus like a dove? Jesus was anointed SENT out to PREACH God’s WORD, and such began in Galilee!
In that beginning from Galilee, the people heard the word of God, that word was God’s word it was WITH Him, and He GAVE it to Jesus to speak and to also fulfill. Acts 10 says God was WITH him, as he was sent out to do good deeds, speaking God’s word.
This is FACT Anthony!
John 4:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
THIS is prophecy Anthony, God’s word given prior to later be fulfilled and now John is speaking of it, as it pertain to the Spirit descending upon Jesus where it is his call to righteousness where God will hold his hand and keep him to be a LIGHT to all people, bringing forth LIFE.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
This is ALSO directly of prophecy, God’s WORD spoken prior now being fulfilled in the man Jesus.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Anthony, John is directly speaking of prophecy, God’s word, and now it is being revealed as being made true in the flesh of Jesus. It couldn’t be more obvious in the fact that Isaiah tells us that the Spirit will rest upon Jesus and he will be filled with the Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding, and now we read that this word is made true, people witnessed the man who was begotten by God’s Spirit full of grace and truth.
John is directly linking Isaiah’s prophecy to the Spirit descending like a dove on Jesus, telling us that this IS Jesus being begotten by God.
Reading John 1 and not connecting it directly to Isaiah and Acts is major error.
Hi Anthony,
YOU:Maybe you’re looking for a place in the Bible where Jesus says, “I am God; worship me” in those exact words. If we suggest that Jesus could only claim to be God by saying that one sentence, we might also ask where He says, “I am a great teacher, but not God,” or, “I am just a prophet; don’t worship me.” The Bible doesn’t say that, either. God bless
ME:
Your point is really really bad, what I believe is EXACTLY what is in FACT WRITTEN.
It is nice to hear you admit that your doctrine is NOT.
What I BELIEVE that is WRITTEN, a FEW examples for you Anthony,
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is RAISED a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
ME: WHOA!! What you have said is so messed up!
What are you talking about “through the PROCESS in any way of this satanic world”?
We are BORN by God’s design, God KNOWS us before we are born, He knows us when we are in the womb. God had foreordained certain men before the foundation of the world, ALONG WITH Jesus.
Jodi, Do you know WHAT IS MESSED UP,
YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY!
You and Gene are totally
carnal minded
Jodi I said:
Jesus came into this world in a UNIQUE divine flesh, with a UNIQUE divine process. By which process He redeemed humanity’s FLESH!
Now read hereunder
Conception: How It Works
To become pregnant, the following steps must occur:
Sperm transport — The sperm must be deposited and transported to the site of fertilization.
Egg transport — Ovulation must occur and the egg must be “picked up” by the tube.
Fertilization and embryo development — Union between the sperm and egg must result.
Implantation — The embryo must implant and begin to grow in the uterus.
These steps are described below.Sperm Transport
The transport of sperm depends on several factors:The sperm must be capable of propelling themselves through the environment of the female vagina and cervix.
This environment, which is under cyclic hormonal control, must be favorable to admit the sperm without destroying them.
The sperm must possess the capability of converting to a form that can penetrate the cell membrane of the egg (capacitation).Now Jodi, God in order to have HIs Son
IN ALL THINGS LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABOVE MENTIONED
CONCEPTION!
UNLESS you find in scriptures an identical description regarding
Jesus conception,
mine stands
YOU: What are you talking about “through the PROCESS in any way of this satanic world”?
Jodi, please can you be CLEAN in your writing with respect to what I wrote?
I SAID: God is Spirit and He sent His Son
NOT
through the process in any way of this satanic world!
Otherwise, God would have been subject to Satan. Which is PURE MADNESS.
Then you said: We are BORN by God’s design, God KNOWS us before we are born,
WAS THE SIN IN THE GARDEN GOD’S DESIGN?
WAS THE FIRST MOST EVER FILTHY and TERRIBLE BIRTH OF CAIN, BY WHICH SATAN BECAME THE FATHER OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN FLESH AND BLOOD,
GOD’S DESIGN?
READ: what humans were before Jesus redemption?
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues,
who hath called YOU OUT OF DARKNESS ( SATANIC) into his marvelous light: (“THE WORD” THE LIGHT OF MEN)
10Who in times past
were not a people: ( DEVILS IN SATANIC FLESH)
but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy: but now have obtained mercy.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord:
Heaven is my throne,
and the earth my footstool:
what is this house that you will build to me? and what is this place of my rest?
Jodi, as you can read EARTH is God’s footstool!
Now WHAT ACTUALLY IS GOD’S FOOTSTOOL? I TELL YOU, JUST IN CASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT!
Matthew 22:44 The Lord said to my Lord: Sit on my right hand, until I make
thy enemies thy footstool?
Don’t tell me that you are so blind
that you don’t understand the rest! I MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU:
With respect to the above, you and Gene, are simply PREACHING, which according to you is
THE TRUTH
That God sent His Son born of HIS FOOTSTOOL, What am I saying?? Am I really in my senses?
I simply cannot believe HOW SATAN IS BLOCKING YOUR
CARNAL MIND
YES Jodi with your teaching you are simply declaring that God send His Son and made use of
HIS ENEMIES’ SATANIC SUBSTANCE OF FLESH AND BLOOD
MADE OF THE CARNAL SEED/SPERM OF DAVID!
GOD SUBJECT TO SATAN ????
OUTRAGEOUS, SHOCKING, MADNESS, CALL IT WHAT YOU LIKE but for sure
IT’S NOT THE TRUTH
I tell you the TRUTH!
IN DAVID SPERM THERE WAS, HIDDEN AS A TREASURE BURIED IN A FIELD:
“THE WORD” JESUS TO BE, THE SON OF MAN TO BE!
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD REV.13:8 precisely HIDDEN IN CAIN!
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS AND DARKNESS
COMPREHENDED NOT!
DO YOU Jodi and Gene COMPREHEND THE TRUTH OF GOD’S WISDOM IF NOT IT IS DEFINITELY THAT YOU ARE
CARNAL MINDED PERSONS, WITH EVERY RESPECT!
Romans 8:5For they that are according to the flesh mind the things that are of the flesh: (DAVID SPERM)
but they that are according to the spirit mind the things that are of the spirit. (DAVID SPIRIT BOTH IN HIS HEART/SOUL AND IN HIS SPERM, “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, PRE-EXISTED, SIMPLY SO GOD THROUGH “THE WORD” IN DAVID BE
THE KING OF ALL ISRAEL/LUCIFER’S SPIRIT)
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised them up David to be king: to whom giving testimony, he said: I have found David, the son of Jesse,
A MAN ACCORDING TO MY OWN HEART, ( PRECISELY “THE WORD”JESUS’ FLESH TO BE A SA SPIRIT EMBODIED IN DAVID)
who shall do all my wills. ( AND HOW)
23Of this man’s seed, ( SPIRITUAL ) God, according to his promise, ( SPIRIT) hath raised up to Israel a Saviour Jesus:
6For the wisdom of the flesh is death: ( LIKE YOUR MIND WITH EVERY RESPECT) but the wisdom of the spirit is life and peace.(THE WAY IT SHOULD BE IN CHRIST)
7Because the wisdom of the flesh is an enemy to God.(SATANIC)
For it is not subject to the law of God: neither can it be. 8And they who are in the flesh
cannot please God.
Read again what ACCORDING TO YOU IS
SO MESSED UP
God is Spirit and He sent His Son
Not through the process in any way of this satanic world! Otherwise, God would have been subject to Satan. Which is PURE MADNESS.
Jesus came into this world in a UNIQUE divine flesh, with a UNIQUE divine process. By which process He redeemed humanity’s FLESH!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
Hi Jodi,
JUNE 21, 2019 AT 1:31 PM PAGE 146 #846310
You:
I realized yesterday,
In the original text there is NO “only” at any instance that you see “only begotten Son” written in scripture, the word “only” has been ADDED in by the translators.
So below I have taken it out,John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the begotten Son of God.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.Me: Here is the Greek text.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-14.htmJohn 1:14 And the Word flesh became and dwelt amoung us and we beheld the glory of him as of the [3439::only begotten] from [he Father full of grace and truth.
3439. monogenés
monogenés: only begotten
Original Word: μονογενής, ές
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: monogenés
Phonetic Spelling: (mon-og-en-ace’)
Definition: only begotten
Usage: only, only-begotten; unique.
HELPS Word-studies
3439 monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, “one-and-only” and 1085 /génos, “offspring, stock”) – properly, one-and-only; “one of a kind” – literally, “one (monos) of a class, genos” (the only of its kind).Me: “one of a kind” means “only” Please show me which translation you are using.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:Jesus came into this world in a UNIQUE divine flesh, with a UNIQUE divine process. By which process He redeemed humanity’s FLESH!
ME: God’s Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive a human of the offspring of Abraham and David, just as was prophesied.
Carmel can you ACCEPT the prophecy of Isaiah 7 and the purpose for the virgin birth? It had everything to do with David’s offspring, his descendant sitting on his throne, no other man from another tribe would take the throne. God was giving a sign of a virgin birth so that the people would recognize their king and know that God keeps His promise. That promise was that of the fruit of David’s loins their would be a king of kings, a king over David’s throne forevermore who would be a savior to the people.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Carmel can you ACCEPT the word of God that Paul spoke when he talked about the body that Jesus was raised with? How that BODY had been sown in weakness but then was raised in power?
In prophecy, the promised son of David who would reign over the house of Jacob forever, born by a sign of a virgin birth, would be a child who would know to choose the good from the evil.
How would this son of David, this promised human king know to choose the good from the evil? By the grace of God being upon him.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
Carmel can you ACCEPT the WRITTEN WORD? Jesus was born a son of David, a son of a human, sown in a body of weakness, who would be great, who would be called the Son of the Highest, who would grow with the grace of God upon him, knowing to choose the good over the evil.
Carmel, Jesus sown in a body of weakness, he overcame all temptation because God called him to righteousness where God through that calling DIRECTED ALL his ways (Isaiah 45). Such is why Jesus said that he can do nothing of himself. Jesus was tempted as all men are tempted, but he overcame condemning sin in his flesh through God directing all his ways.
Carmel, Jesus was not born with divine flesh, he was born with WEAK MORTAL FLESH, when Jesus was called to righteousness God was holding his hand and keeping him from sin in order to be a covenant, it was God’s Spirit resting upon the man Jesus, directing all his ways, leading him to be the lamb without spot or blemish.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself;
Man -anthropos – HUMAN
Jesus was a HUMAN who could do nothing of himself, he could do nothing of himself because he was in fact a HUMAN, he did all things through God DIRECTING ALL his ways.
See Carmel how Isaiah 45 and Isaiah 42 speak of the same thing,
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another.
Carmel can you ACCEPT this written word of God? God created heaven and earth and man upon it, and He calls a man from out of the people to righteousness to be a LIGHT to all people, being a man GIVEN God’s glory that God said he would not GIVE to any other.
Carmel…..your letting what you were taught in the past trip you up. There is “only” one “true” God. He “alone” and by “himself! Created everything that exists.
Isa 44:24…..This says the LORD, your redemmer, and he who formed you from the womb “I” am the LORD that makes “all” things; that stretched forth the heavens “alone” ; that spreads abroad the earth by “myself”.
Question is CARMEL do you truly believe what God the Father says?
Carmel you have been duped to believe a Lie, but you certanily not alone, nearly “all” of so-called christanity has also. But you can alas repent brother. Listen to Jodi, she is explaining it right, not only to you but others here also.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
Now Jodi, God in order to have HIs Son
IN ALL THINGS LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN
HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABOVE MENTIONED
CONCEPTION!
ME: God’s Son is David’s son who God on a certain day begot with His Spirit, directing all his ways, thus being a Son of God, as those that are lead by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
Hebrews 2 quotes Psalm 8, where you are told God was mindful of man, God VISITED a Son of Man, God MADE a MAN a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, to then crown this MAN with glory and honor and to give this MAN dominion over all the works of God’s hands.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
The captain of our salvation is a MAN who God made perfect through sufferings. He was a man who God was mindful of and visited, where God would hold his hand and not allowing him to fail, for He would DIRECT ALL his ways.
When Paul quotes Psalm 8, he is also speaking directly about the fulfillment of Isaiah 42 and 45, a man’s call to righteousness where God would direct all his ways, a man following God’s will alone, in order to be a covenant, die on the cross for our sins.
What does it mean Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death?
Psalm 103: 19-22 “The LORD has established His throne in heaven, and His kingdom rules over all. Praise the LORD, you His angels, you mighty ones who do His bidding, who obey His word. Praise the LORD, all His heavenly hosts, you His servants who do His will. Praise the LORD, all His works. Everywhere in His dominion. Praise the LORD, my soul.”
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Carmel, prophecy tells us that a man of the offspring of Jesse would have God’s Spirit rest upon him, an anointing, where through that anointing he would be sent out being a righteous judge, not judging by his own eyes and ears. There is no sending of a non flesh pre-existing Son, there is the SENDING of the man who God was mindful of and visited with His Spirit calling him to righteousness in order to follow His will, through following God’s will he would be able to judge righteously.
When the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove, having God’s Spirit rest upon him, fulfilling Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61, being CALLED to righteousness, Jesus was placed under God’s dominion, he was MADE like the angels, following God’s will and doing His bidding. But he was made a little lower than the angels, not made immortal like the angels.
The word TOOK both times in Hebrews 2 is inserted by the translators. This entire chapter is talking about the MAN who God was mindful of. Jesus was made like the angels, to follow God’s will like the angels, but he remained flesh and blood of the seed of Abraham for the suffering of death. He was like his brethren in that he could be tempted, but unlike his brethren but like the angels, he could not sin, as God was directing all his ways so that he could fulfill God’s will.
Hi Carmel,
ME:We are BORN by God’s design, God KNOWS us before we are born,
You: WAS THE SIN IN THE GARDEN GOD’S DESIGN?
WAS THE FIRST MOST EVER FILTHY and TERRIBLE BIRTH OF CAIN, BY WHICH SATAN BECAME THE FATHER OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN FLESH AND BLOOD,
GOD’S DESIGN?
ME: Of course the sin in the garden was not God’s design. God made man an independent thinking creature. God made man giving him an imagination. Man is ignorant, but God made him able to receive God’s wisdom, and God gives man mercy by giving Him of His Wisdom and of other fruits thereof of His Spirit, for ONLY God is good. Without God we are ignorant brute beasts, like a deaf and blind serpent that knows not God. Without God we are like a dog who returns to his own vomit.
Proverbs 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
We can eat from the Tree of Life, which in Proverbs 3 is God’s Wisdom, or we can eat the fruit of our own way, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The carnal mind is at enmity against God because it is like a serpent it knows not God it is deaf and blind, it is ignorant of God, nor can it obtain God’s wisdom through the self, God’s wisdom that is a Tree of Life comes from God, He is the source.
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Jeremiah 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Jeremiah 11:8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do; but they did them not.
Jeremiah 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Psalm 140:3 They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders’ poison is under their lips. Selah.
Phil 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Carmel Peter is called SATAN by Jesus BECAUSE he has in MIND the thing of MEN.
The word Satan in Hebrew is SAW-TAWN and it means ADVERSARY, SAW-TAWN translated SATAN in a handful of passages in the OT is translated directly as what it should be adversary in many more passages.
God’s holy angels are called SATAN, David’s enemies are called SATAN. SATAN means adversary.
Jesus is calling Peter an ADVERSARY for he is being CARNALLY MINDED, which is the crutch of all men, it is the FATHER of LIES, for the carnal mind is at enmity against God, it’s desire is to serve the weak flesh, it’s GOD is it’s BELLY minding earthly things. The carnal mind has an imagination that can invent it’s own way and follow that way, it invents false gods, lies. Man trusts in himself, in his own reasoning. To trust in God, God makes himself known unto you, and He gives the mercy of His Spirit, wisdom, understanding, knowledge, patience, kindness, humbleness, self control, love… and without it we are just brute beasts.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt THEMSELVES.
Carmel, by one man sin came into the world and by that sin death. When God created mankind He knew exactly what was going to occur, that death would be brought in by man’s sin. But before God even created man he had planned for man to be redeemed, and that redemption would come through ONE MAN, a man of the offspring of David who would fulfill all of God’s will, a man who God would call to righteousness.
CAIN,
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Cain was carnally minded, it was of his own mind to bring forth a pitiful offering and keep the best for himself. He was not accepted, and he was not humbled but angry. God warned Cain that sin lieth at the door and that would be a desire that Cain would need to rule over.
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.Carmel, there did not exist any wicked spirit being tempting Cain, Cain’s carnal mind serving his own desires, instead of God is what caused him to sin.
Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
The ignorant carnal mind that knows not God, that does not have the fruits of God’s Spirit, is like a serpent, deaf, blind, and dumb, only knowing what it knows naturally corrupting itself.
God didn’t design sin, man out of his own heart invents sin and then he follows it, but God did design man to receive of His Spirit.
God’s plan before the world was made, was in due time He would become ALL in ALL.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
The END that was established from the beginning was a new creation, a new beginning.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the BEGINNING, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
All the fullness DWELLS IN the firstborn of the dead.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Jesus is the firstborn of the dead, that in all things he might have FIRST PLACE, our high priest is our forerunner. He is an heir of God and we are promised to be joint heirs with him, receiving glory and entering into God’s kingdom.
Carmel, Jesus is NOT the firstborn over the creation that led to sin and death, he is the firstborn of the dead, firstborn of righteousness and life.
Adam was the son of God, firstborn over a creation of sin and death. Jesus is the Second Adam, firstborn into God’s righteous kingdom of eternal life.
The firstborn of the dead is firstborn over all creation, when he returns to earth all creatures will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD, they will not hurt or destroy, they will not devour flesh, be dominant, aggressive or territorial.
Carmel, Jesus is not the firstborn of a creation of pain, suffering, disease, famine, starvation, fear and death. Jesus is the firstborn of peace, joy, and harmony.
Hi Carmel,
YOU: Because the wisdom of the flesh is an enemy to God.(SATANIC)
ME: What do you mean by SATANIC?
You keep using the term carnally minded. How about you define that too?
We are CARNAL, ignorant creatures with our own imaginations that INVENT from WITHIN our own way, serving our flesh according to our desires.
Our carnal state is that we need food in order to live. That desire for food is not a sin. That which our carnal minds invents in order to obtain the food, is where sin is produced. The invented way to receive the food becomes our sinful desire, not the initial desire for the food itself. A man is hungry he has no food, he begins thinking how he could obtain it, his thoughts lead to stealing, stealing becomes his desire.
God gave man many desires of the flesh, it is how we come to fulfill those desires that we sin or not. If God’s Spirit is working in us we will fulfill those desires righteously, we will not lie, steal, kill, commit adultery. If God is not present, we are like a natural brute beast, where we will devour others to feed our bellies.
Any civility in our world comes from God’s mercy, without it, our world would be in total chaos, evil everywhere, men devouring others like a lion devours a deer without any thought.
Hi TC,
Thanks, looking at the original word monogenes that equates to “only child”. When I looked up the verse and didn’t see only, obviously I didn’t take the next obvious step to look at the word begotten.
Interesting how Isaac is referred to as Abraham’s only begotten son, though he was his SECOND son. I forgot about this study I made quite some time ago, if I had I would have remembered monogenes.
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
WHY is Abraham’s second son called his “only begotten” when in fact he is his second son?
Isaac, the second son of Abraham was a son born of a promise, the only son of Abraham’s that came through a direct promise of God.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Can we consider that Adam is God’s first son, a son until he sinned? And that Jesus is God’s second son like Isaac, but an only born Son according to a promise God gave to David?
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
As I said in my post prior about God’s begotten Son, Jesus was the only MORTAL man born of God’s Spirit in full measure. He was the only man CALLED to righteousness where God would DIRECT ALL his ways, thus being led by God’s Spirit, unable to sin, being MADE a Son of God.
The son of David was born again, born of God’s Spirit, a Son of God ACCORDING to a promise. That promise is fulfilled through God resting His Spirit upon him, calling him to righteousness, where God would hold his hand and keep him from sin, directing all his ways, for the purpose of freeing captives, those who are bound to death because of sin.
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