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Anthony,
Jesus was not just a creature that God had made, He was the human who God made the world through and for, as Jesus is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. God had declared that END from the beginning, before He even made humans, He had a plan for them.
That is WHO he is, and being firstborn of the New Creation, the new heaven and earth, God gave him the inheritance of a firstborn Son, giving him all rule and authority, over that which God had made, NOT Jesus had made.
You seem to miss that crucial part to that verse, Jesus RECEIVES that which God had made with His hands. Jesus DIDN’T make it he receives it. He is able to judge not by his own eyes and ears, but he judges through God’s Spirit that rests upon him, as God shares His Spirit and His powers with humans.
It is the Son of Man Anthony that is returning that will judge you, not through himself but through God who is in him having called him to righteousness.
Carmel,
ME: that God would MAKE David’s son into His firstborn.
YOU:Yes, BUT NOT THE CARNAL SEED, THE ACTUAL SPERM OF DAVID, BUT
THE SPIRITUAL SEED, HIDDEN IN THE SPERM OF DAVID. THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE, the flesh counts for nothing! FOR GOD.
ME: First you have the son of David, then you have God begetting him, it is an anointing of God’s Spirit in full measure and power, where Jesus is born again of God, of God’s Spirit.
Jesus said as a HUMAN that he could do nothing of himself, yes the FLESH prophets us nothing, it was God’s Spirit resting upon him, an anointing Jesus CALLED it, that Jesus was able to do good, for Jesus said only God is good.
Jesus didn’t give credit to having a special birth, he didn’t give credit to pre-existing as a special being, Jesus gave credit to God and had said that God’s Spirit was upon him, it was an anointing and he was SENT out to preach God’s word by it, heal by it, deliver captives by it.
Jesus recognized himself as the Son of Man who came to save that which was lost. He recognized himself as the man that God was MINDFUL OF, that God VISITED with His Spirit, where that visit remained, as God had called him to righteousness where God would HOLD HIS HAND and KEEP him, keep him from what no other man could escape SIN, so that he could be a covenant for the people, even a light to the Gentiles.
Yes the Spirit gives life, it rested upon Jesus keeping him from sin, so that he would not be worthy of the penalty of death. The Spirit gives life, as it is God who calls us through His Spirit to bring us to faith in the truth that counts as our righteousness and makes us worthy to obtain the promise. The unity of our faith is to believe that the Son of God is a perfect MAN.
Anthony……”worshiping” Jesus as a “God” , Is your downfall, we on the other hand bow our knee to JESUS, “TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER”. YOU BOW YOUR KNEE AND WORSHIP HIM AS YOUR GOD. Big difference between the way you honor Jesus and the way we do. We see Jesus as a fellow human being, a “man” who God the Father has greately elevated and glorified. We along with Jesus believe and trust in <b>the “ONLY” true God, who is his God and our God, his father and our father. </b>
You are commiting the very same sin, that caused Israel to be cast out of the land, GOD gave their fathers, and do you really think he will accept you into HIS KINGDOM.
Remember John words , “little childern keep yourselves from IDOLS”, that is exactly what all who believe Jesus is a God are doing. They are commiting idolatry. Why do you think John said that right after he said this,
1 John 5:20…..And we know that the son of God is come, and has given us an uderstanding, that we may know him (God) that is true, and we are ‘in” him (God) that is true, even in his son Jesus the christ, this is the “true God”, and eternal life.
Know him that is true, is talking about GOD THE FATHER, that was Jesus’ message to us all, it was for us to come to know the “only” true GOD, and the anounted “man” Jesus who him (God) sent.
It never was about Jesus trying to make himself out to be a God, as nearly all, so-called “christianity” teaches. God the father will never accept those who make another God, unless they repent of their Idolatry.
He that has an ear let him hear.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Anthony,
YOU:Jodi there’s all kind of scriptures that speak of men, women, and Angels worshipping Jesus Christ. Your on words condemn yourself, you don’t worship Jesus Christ like those did in scriptures, so I’ve easy if I was you. See Jodi He’s just not a man. Worship Him, praise Him. The Messiah!
ME: Anthony I worship Jesus as the Messiah, and I worship God as the One True God, and if it were not for the One True God my heavenly Father, there would be no Messiah, no offspring of David that is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren.
I know that God gave Jesus dominion over all the works of God’s hands, that God has the Son of Man sitting at His right hand preparing a place for me.
Jesus is my master, and he is also my brother, he is returning to fulfill God’s will, I want to follow God’s will, so I will follow Jesus.
Anthony,
I am not judging anyone, I am speaking of scripture, it is Jesus that judges the quick and the dead.
Jesus was MADE,
Romans 1:20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Who is that Jesus,
2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Here Anthony COMPREHEND,
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man
Jesus was corruptible but God would not allow him to see decay.
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
I Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
Jesus is NOT GOD, he was a man sown in corruption but who was not allowed to see that corruption, instead God raised him from the dead before decay occurred, where God took his flesh that was kept without decay and made it incorruptible.
David died having his FLESH rest in hope, that he too would receive incorruptible flesh.
Good Morning All,
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.Ezekiel 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jesus is not a Son of God because he pre-existed as a one of a kind being that morphed into a woman’s womb and became a human.
Jesus is a child of God as we are to be a child of God, through God’s Spirit put inside our human flesh, which causes us to walk in all of God’s statutes. If you walk in all of God’s statutes you are not deserving of death, nor of your flesh seeing decay, but life in that pure flesh forever more.
Hi Jodi
You said: Jesus is a child of God as we are to be a child of God,
Me: Jodi do you think that you are equal to Jesus Christ? Was you born of a virgin, with God being your literal Father? Are you the Messiah. Was you born with the nature of God or the nature of the first Adam. Are you the Us in Gen. 1:26 ?
And God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'”
Jodi do you have power to lay your life down, and have power to take it up again?
Is it you coming again and setting up the kingdom of God on Earth? Please help me to understand how Jesus Christ is just like us.
Emanuel bless
Anthony, I saw “the Son of man decending from Mount Paron, with ten thousands of his Saint’s to execute judgement on the earth, and to convience all of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly commited. Are we not also doing what Jesus is doing with him?
Has God not called us also along with Jesus for the same purpose ? TO establish the Kingdom of God on this earth?
You have so removed Jesus from his brother and sisters you arn’t even able now to relate with him , in a real sense. you have completely moved him away from his humanity, and made him into your God. Your living in “IDOLATRY”.
Completely unaware of it, Sorry for you.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Carmel,
You: In the above Satan himself declared that Jesus was the Son of God, hence God as Man,
ME: the Son of God never in any scripture is stated as God as Man.
What you have stated is a direct lie against what scripture tells us,
No Jodi ,
In my post immediately following I posted the scripture you simply either ignored or you as usual when it comes to the spiritual hidden message are simply blind, so here it is again and reflect, please.
Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, after wards he was hungry.
In the above Jesus was really hungry I suppose, but for sure He was hungry to start His most formidable task on earth both GOD and MAN!
3And the tempter coming said to him: If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
In the above Satan himself declared that Jesus was the Son of God, hence God as Man, This is well asserted in
Isaiah 45:14
…..and they shall WORSHIP YOU, and shall make SUPPLICATION TO YOU:
ONLY IN YOU IS GOD, and
THERE ‘S NO GOD BESIDE YOU.
15Verily YOU ARE A HIDDEN GOD THE GOD 0F ISRAEL THE SAVIOUR.
16They are all confounded and ashamed: the forgers of errors are gone together into confusion.
Gene make sure that you are not CONFOUNDED and ASHAMED: A FORGER OF ERRORS GOING INTO CONFUSION.
Jodi God is a spirit, and MANIFESTED HIMSELF in/by and as Jesus!
God without Jesus is not God on earth as much as Jesus is not Jesus without God on earth!
Jesus on earth no matter how many and how huge His tasks were, in order to manifest GOD’S WORK, He was still called and believed that He was Satan, never mind God. Only Jesus death, FOR THE SAKE AND PLEASURE OF THE FATHER, FULFILLED JESUS’ MISSION AS
GOD AS MAN
Well clear in the scripture HEREUNDER:
Jeremiah 32:27 And the word of the Lord ( JESUS AS A SPIRIT) came to Jeremiah, saying:
27Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: (THE WORD MADE FLESH) shall anything be hard for me?
NOW, IF GOD IS A SPIRIT, HOW ON EARTH HE SAID THAT HE IS
THE GOD OF ALL FLESH?
ISN’T IT AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL THAT THE ABOVE WORDS ARE PRECISELY JESUS GENUINE WORDS!
GOD AS MAN?
The fact that Satan concluded and asked Jesus to manifest HIS DIVINE ATTRIBUTE AS
THE SON OF GOD! If He wasn’t he would have never tempted Jesus AT ALL, never MIND he kept on tempting Him to the point that Jesus made it clear to him and said:
Begone, Satan:
for it is written: The Lord thy God ( JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY ONE VISIBLE and TANGIBLE) shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene
Me: your the one living in “IDOLATRY”. If it doesn’t go along with your pet doctrines , you really are blind, when Jesus Christ pulls the blinders off your eyes, you will regret what you been doing and saying about His Word Gene do you really live the life of a real Christian, with the love of Jesus Christ in your walk, the love of others and your enemy. Tell me Gene you been here for how long ten years, and you still haven’t found the truth about Jesus Christ yet. How sad. God will bring you out of darkness into His glorious light.
We really don’t have much to say to each other, it just goes back in forth same old same old, is there other things you talk about, instead of Jesus Christ is just a man. To me that is IDOLATRY” in it’s fullest.
God bless 🙏
God bless
Carmel…..Jesus just before that testing in the wilderness was “anointed with the holy spirit” and became a Son of God, he was “born again” at the Jordan river, by God the Father, just like Jesus said to us, “you must be born again”, this happens when we are baptized and recieve the Holy Spirit OR HAVEN’T YOU EVER READ , brethern know you not that we are “now” the sons of God”
If what happened to Jesus, doesn’t happen to you , by the anointing Spirit of God the Father, you simply are “none of his”,
As scripture says . Our journey in this life is to grow, until we all come to the “measure and “full” stature of Christ,” we are told.
In your view that could never happen, why?, because you have made Jesus into very God himself, and thereby “seperating yourself from identifying with Jesus as a brother you see Jesus and worship him as your God, we see Jesus and honor him as our elder brother who “our” Father, “his and ours”, has placed as the head of the house hold of God.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene
You said: Carmel…..Jesus just before that testing in the wilderness was “anointed with the holy spirit” and became a Son of God, he was “born again” at the Jordan river, by God the Father, just like Jesus said to us, “you must be born again”
Me: what are you a complete idiot Gene? he was “born again” at the Jordan river, scriptures doesn’t say that. We get born again just like Nicodemus did. You really twist the scriptures, please Gene, you are as blind as a bat. You need help!
God bless
Hi Anthony,
Me: Jesus is a child of God as we are to be a child of God,
You: Jodi do you think that you are equal to Jesus Christ? Was you born of a virgin, with God being your literal Father? Are you the Messiah. Was you born with the nature of God or the nature of the first Adam. Are you the Us in Gen. 1:26 ?
And God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’”
Jodi do you have power to lay your life down, and have power to take it up again?
Is it you coming again and setting up the kingdom of God on Earth? Please help me to understand how Jesus Christ is just like us.
ME:
Anthony, Jesus is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. (Romans 8)
I stated recently that Jesus is my master and my brother.
Also in Romans 8 you are told that we are heirs of God, joint heirs with Christ.
Anthony go read Isaiah 53 and Psalms 8!
Jesus is the man that God was mindful of, God visited him, MADE him a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, to then be crowned with his father David’s kingdom. God gives this son of David dominion over all the works of His hands, and he judges all that God gives him not by his own eyes and ears, but through God’s Spirit that rests upon him. Because Jesus obeys God and goes to the cross Jesus receives an inheritance,
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
ALSO Anthony,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
The resurrection of Jesus is our same resurrection, believing that Jesus was raised from those that sleep the sleep of death, is our hope that we too shall be raised as he was.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
The Spirit of God in Jesus made Jesus the Christ, the Son of God, it was given to a measure that worked perfect faith and righteousness, as Jesus was CALLED to righteousness through God’s anointing Spirit. We are promised to receive that same calling to righteousness, where we will walk perfectly in God’s ways, not missing a mark, and thus we will also not be worthy of death, but everlasting life.
TC…..I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH JODI, when we are resurected we will have a body exactly As Jesus had at his resurection, a body that will never die. A body composed of flesh and bone like he has.
Gene, read hereunder and discern the truth!
ICorinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption: it shall rise in incorruption. 43It is sown in dishonour: it shall rise in glory. It is sown in weakness: it shall rise in power.
44It is sown a natural body: it shall rise a spiritual body. If there be a natural body, there is also a spiritual body, as it is written:
45The first man Adam was made into a living soul; the last Adam into a quickening spirit.
We will not come back as spirits,but human flesh and bone beings.
the above is a pure lie
You or anyone else has ever produced a single scripture that says Jesus is no longer a human being, existing without a flesh and bone body, or any scripture
that shows any change taking place after he was resurected from the grave.
the above is
more than a PURE LIE!
Read hereunder and accept the truth!
John20:19 Now when it was late the same day, the first of the week,
and the doors were shut,
where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews,
Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them:
Peace be to you. 20And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.
Luke 24: 30 And it came to pass, whilst he was at table with them,
he took bread and blessed and brake and gave to them. 31And their eyes were opened: and they knew him.
And he vanished out of their sight.
Gene what actually occurred to Jesus resurrected flesh and bone body which made it possible for Him
to enter through walls? Or to immediately vanish out of sight?
Wasn’t there any change at all in Jesus;’ body?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Ed J,
The will of God came down from heaven, and that will was to send an anointed Son of man to save that which was lost.
Jodi,
The above is not scriptures BUT YOUR OWN TWISTED BELIEF.
Read pure scripture and RESPECT IT PLEASE!
John6:38 Because
I came down from heaven,
not to do my own will but the will of him that sent me.
As clear as crystal! NOT THE WILL OF GOD CAME DOWN from heaven, and sent an anointed Son of Man, BUT
“THE WORD” OF GOD Jesus, THE SON OF MAN, came down from heaven, SIMPLY to do
GOD’S WILL!
It’s no use, Jodi,
You simply bury your head under the sand and MADLY continue USING the word SENT according to your corrupted belief!
John6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven:
that if any man eats of it, he may not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven.
Jodi, WILL YOU ACCEPT THIS PURE-TRUTH?
That Jesus was not just SENT, but
SENT OUT OF GOD
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
John17:8 Because the words which thou gavest me, I have given to them. And they have received them and have known in very deed that
I came out from thee: and they have believed that thou didst send me.
NOT AS YOU CORRUPTLY PREACH SENT FROM HIS BAPTISM, AT THE JORDAN RIVER.
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Hi Anthony,
I want to discuss further what you said exactly,
YOU: Jodi do you think that you are equal to Jesus Christ?
ME: Jesus is my master as God gave him dominion over all the works of God’s hands. The Son of Man is sitting at God’s right hand preparing a place for me. When the Son of Man returns I will follow his guidance, he is my king.
YOU: Was you born of a virgin, with God being your literal Father?
ME: I was not born a virgin, and you speak directly against scripture Anthony. The virgin birth is not said to occur because God was going to make a literal one of a kind son, or take his already one of a kind son and morph him into a zygote. He was going to use the virgin birth as a SIGN to the house of David, so that they would know that God keeps His promises. The house of David was in fear that a MAN from another tribe was going to take over the kingdom, God did not like their lack of faith, as such was against His promise, as it is a MAN of the tribe of Judah that receives the kingdom. God gave them the prophecy of a virgin birth so that they would know that God keeps His promises, that they would know that the Son of Man of prophecy had come.
Can you comprehend that Anthony?
Let me lay it out so that it is clear,
God PROMISED the house of David that one from the tribe of Judah of David’s offspring would be God’s anointed, God would be mindful of him, God would visit him, God would make him to be an eternal heir to David’s throne.
Much later there came a time which Isaiah spoke about where the tribe of Judah feared another tribe such as Ephraim was going to take over the throne. They clearly were of little faith as they worried, as they didn’t believe in God and that which He had promised concerning the Son of Man of the offspring of David of the tribe of Judah.
For God to let Judah know that He keeps His promises concerning a man of the seed of David, who God would make into His own Son ACCORDING to His Spirit, He gave them a sign of a virgin birth so that they could identify this Son of Man who would be their king, their savior, ruling over David’s kingdom being of the fruit of David’s loins.
Many did believe just that,
Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest…15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
Mark 11:9 And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Anthony, READ Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
AND READ, Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Jesus is a human of the fruit of David’s loins, He is God’s Christos, the man God anointed with His Spirit calling him to righteousness, as God said on a certain day that He would beget David’s son making him into His own Son.
Anthony READ and comprehend,
1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
Psalms 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my loving kindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.
Psalms 132:16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy. 17 There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed. 18 His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.
1 Kings 15:4 Nevertheless for David’s sake did the LORD his God give him a lamp in Jerusalem, to set up his son after him, and to establish Jerusalem:
You: Are you the Messiah. Was you born with the nature of God or the nature of the first Adam. Are you the Us in Gen. 1:26 ?
ME: Anthony Jesus was born a mortal man who could die and could have his flesh see decay, he was born with weak flesh that could tempt him. He was sown in a natural body and he was raised in a spiritual body. Paul speaks clearly of the resurrection of Jesus and how it is our same resurrection. Jesus was able to overcome his weak flesh, because he had been called by God to condemn sin in the flesh, he had been called to righteousness by God, where God would hold his hand and keep him from obeying his weak mortal flesh over obeying God. Because in his calling he did not fail but remained pure, though he died God would not allow his flesh that condemned sin, to decay, instead God raised it to life, raising that flesh incorruptible in glory and power, flesh that is no longer weak, it can no longer tempt, it has been set free, no longer a natural body but a spiritual body. A natural body is a body with weak mortal flesh that can tempt you and draw you away from serving God and following His ways. A spiritual body is a body with incorruptible flesh that cannot be tempted and thus cannot be drawn away from serving God. God’s Spirit in Jesus caused him to overcome the power of weak flesh, it caused Jesus to deny the weak flesh.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept….35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?….42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
YOU: And God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’”
ME: I believe I have given this to you before Anthony,
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
LORD = Jehovah God = Elohiym “POWERS”
Jehovah made the earth and the heavens by His Powers.
Mechanical translation of Genesis defines Elohiym as meaning POWERS, the Powers of Jehovah.
Jehovah is ONE, He is One Spirit existing with multiple Powers, and we were made in the image of those Powers that equate to the image of Jehovah.
We are told that Jesus received the full measure of those Powers, he received the Spirit of Wisdom, the Spirit of Understanding, the Spirit of Council and Might…etc..these all represent the Powers of Jehovah that equate to His Spirit.
You: Jodi do you have power to lay your life down, and have power to take it up again?
ME: Jesus had the power from God’s Spirit to lay down his life, where through the Spirit he was able to overcome the weakness of his flesh, and for that obedience to God over the flesh, we are cleansed from our sins and the penalty of eternal death.
John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Jesus lays down his life so that his sheep may have life again. He lays down his life to bring life again.
You are told multiple times Anthony that God raises Jesus up from being dead, giving him life again, and you are told multiple times that Jesus lays down his life so that we may have life again.
Anthony, it is REALLY bad form to take a verse and leave out the very passages before it, and take it out of context of those passages that came just prior, AND to then say that a passage means something that makes other passages into complete lies.
YOU: Is it you coming again and setting up the kingdom of God on Earth? Please help me to understand how Jesus Christ is just like us.
ME: Jesus is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. Jesus is the Son of Man returning among the clouds where he will give eternal life to his brethren.
Jesus our Messiah is an heir of God and I am also an heir of God, a joint heir with our Messiah(Romans 8). When I receive eternal life I will be like Jesus in that I will be a human with eternal life following God’s ways perfectly, not missing a mark, not even able to be tempted to have the potential to miss a mark. We will be glorified together with Jesus, all brought to drink of the same cup, the cup of God’s Spirit in full measure that is a calling to righteousness.
I am not like Jesus in that God brings forth only one human King to rule over all other human kings, and God brings forth only one human Master to rule over all other human masters.
Jodi, as you know, I believe the devil is in the detail and most people do not read essays in a debate. That said, in one of your posts I skimmed down and saw this.
ME: Jesus is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. Jesus is the Son of Man returning among the clouds where he will give eternal life to his brethren.
So what? We already believe this. He is additionally the first born of all creation.
- The Son is the image of the invisible God,
- the firstborn over all creation.
- For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
- He is before all things,
- and in him all things hold together.
- And he is the head of the body, the church;
- he is the beginning
- and the firstborn from among the dead,
Notice how points 2 and 8 are different points. Yet you guys merge them as if they were the same point.
The firstborn over all creation is a different point to firstborn from among the dead.
Another successful debunk complete.
He is the beginning and it is fitting that the agency that God created all things through is also the same as the one who God redeemed his creation through once it had fallen. Obvious and clear teachings of scripture ignored by some false teachers here.
Why has your heart strayed? Why teach against the written word? Why argue against truth? For what profit is there in doing such things?
T8…..I explained how your yes/no bs, is a form of entrapment,
Gene, you just admitted that by you being completely honest and answering yes or no is entrapment. Guess what? It s only entrapment if you are lying or deceiving. If you are telling the truth, you cannot be trapped.
BOOM!
You guys have been well and truly debunked just like Mike and his Flat Earth theory. While you guys may not see it, anyone who reads here and has a true heart sees it and that is the point of this forum. To debunk lies and subject them to the Lord Jesus Christ and scripture. Thank you for making this possible, but for you own sake, I would repent. Teachers are judged more severely.
That pride that is arising in your heart right now will only lead to a downfall if left unchecked.
Hi T8
You said: You guys have been well and truly debunked just like Mike and his Flat Earth theory.
Me: I agree, but it seems they just can’t accept the truth, they continue to twist scriptures.
God bless
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