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Hi All,
John 3:13 “but He who came down from heaven,”…
What or who came down from heaven?
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Christ is the living bread that came down from heaven. But he did not become the living bread until after his resurrection and his ascension into heaven. In God’s mind this had happened before the physical advent of the Messiah. In our reality, it happened after his resurrection here on earth.
Hi All,
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Young’s Literal Translation
Rev 13:8 And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;When did the crucifixion occur? In God’s mind it had already happened before the foundation of the world. In our reality, it happened after he was physically born.
John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In the mind of God it happen before the universe was created. In our reality it happened 2,000 years ago after Christ was resurrected from the dead and glorified in heaven.Hi All,
John 3:13 The son of man who is in heaven...
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [a]Son, who IS in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
In God’s eyes, Christ had already been born, crucified, resurrected and in heaven all before he existed on earth. In God’s reality, it had already been done.
Hi Anthony:
Let me clarify,
There is the Spirit that Jesus was anointed with, called to righteousness with, and then there is Jesus’s spirit, a human spirit being fully lead by God’s Spirit that rested upon him. Jesus’s spirit was filled with grace and truth by God’s Spirit. Remember Jesus was anointed with the Spirit of Wisdom, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD.
Also Jesus CAME not to do his own will.
Jesus was SENT after the Spirit descended like a Dove, he was SENT to follow God’s will, to accomplish specifically without failing, as God was going to hold his hand and keep him, to accomplish His covenant, His Gospel.
Now how is it that Jesus was God but they are of different wills and Jesus being sent out would deny his own will, as he had been called to righteousness to fulfill all of God’s pleasure that God had declared would come to be, from the beginning?
Anthony, the prophets were given the Gospel of God
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Our FAITH is in the word of God, His Gospel of which IN that Gospel is the man who followed God’s will and in doing so went to the cross for our salvation. God giving us grace through one man.
THE PROPHETS spoke of this Gospel that should come unto us.
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
What was in these prophets was the Gospel of God, Jesus preached that same Gospel and fulfilled that Gospel. Then the Spirit came to men anointed them to preach this same Gospel.
The Spirit of God was IN the prophets giving them the Gospel of God which speaks of the Spirit of Christ, a MAN fully subjected to the will of God sent out to obey him without failing, a man who could do nothing of himself, he followed God because God was in him and God was with him, Jesus was being LED by God’s Spirit to do good, as Jesus said only God is good.
What is said prior in 1 Peter 1 Anthony?
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
You are directly told in 1 Peter 1 that Jesus is NOT God, the Father is the God of Jesus. As Gene gave you the scriptures, Jesus specifically tells you that we have One True God and it is His God and our God, His Father and our Father.
Our FAITH is not just in believing that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins which is the penalty of death, life no more, our FAITH is in a lively hope, believing that a man who died was raised from the dead given eternal life, and we are promised the same.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Proverbs 3:18 She (WISDOM) is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
Jesus received from God the Spirit of Wisdom, it was a tree of life for him, he walked not after the flesh but after the Spirit of God that was in him. God brought us life through a covenant, through a promise He had made, IN that word of God is The Anointed Jesus given of the Spirit in fullness to follow God’s will, and through that Spirit he was able to set us free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
When God’s elect from out of the people was called to righteousness to fulfill God’s will, God would hold his hand and keep him from sin, from indulging in any temptation, he came thus in the likeness of sinful flesh, flesh that in all points could be tempted as we are tempted, but God would keep him, so that he could be a lamb without spot or blemish.
Through God’s Spirit Jesus was made perfect, he ACCOMPLISHED/COMPLETED what he as a mortal human was SENT out to do, which was to condemn sin in the flesh. He did this by breaking the bondage that had since kept all men in chains serving the flesh over God, he broke the fear of death, going to the cross being obedient to God displaying his faith in God over the flesh at a point it is most tempted, suffering unto a death.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The righteousness of the law is for God to rest his Spirit upon you as that is the only calling that gives you righteousness. In Christ we have the example of a man and what is accomplished through God’s Spirit, righteousness is accomplished.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Spirit of God was IN the man Jesus it was a calling for his righteousness, having the Spirit of Christ means that you believe WHO Christ was, the man who God did chrio (to anoint) with His Spirit, making him the Christos (anointed).
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Christ being in us, means that we have knowledge of the TRUE Christ where the body is dead because of sin, but God’s Spirit is life because it calls a man to righteousness. So if the Spirit of God that had called Jesus to righteousness, made him perfect, and raised him from the dead, dwells in us, that same Spirit will also bring eternal life to our mortal bodies if we believe this truth.
Anthony, this passage directly tells you that it is God’s Spirit that dwelt in Jesus, it was God’s Spirit that Jesus raised from the dead, and if that SAME Spirit that was in him is in us we too will receive eternal life. If the TRUTH of Christ is IN US, this is our reward, the unity of our faith is to believe that the Son of God is unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature of being anointed with God’s Spirit.
God Spirit in us means that he has given us the Spirit of Christ, which is God’s Spirit, it is the same Spirit, and it is that Spirit that gives us the Wisdom of God, to believe in the Gospel of God, and IN that Gospel is the man who God called to righteousness. What did Jesus do with that calling that we need to do, we need to walk after that Spirit and not after the flesh.
Hi TC,
YOU:
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Christ is the living bread that came down from heaven. But he did not become the living bread until after his resurrection and his ascension into heaven. In God’s mind this had happened before the physical advent of the Messiah. In our reality, it happened after his resurrection here on earth.
ME: The living bread is the flesh of Jesus that God knew through His calling of it to righteousness, that his mortal flesh would not sin, that it would accomplish God’s will, which was to condemn sin in the flesh.
Yes to God this had already been, as God had declared the End From the beginning, and that which God declares in His word is TRUE it cannot be held back, it is as if it already exists.
Jodi……Excellent post, Question is do they understand it , Or even try to?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Jodi
Let Me clarify, you neglect to see that Jesus Christ was God with us, Emmanuel.
You also neglect to see my posts, so I’ll post part of it, so you can see we’re I’m coming from.
The duality of God.
When the apostle Peter quoted Psalm 110 in his Pentecost sermon in 30 A.D., he clearly identified both the Jehovah Who is speaking in the prophecy and the Jehovah Who sits at His right hand. Peter’s inspired interpretation of Psalm 110 makes it plain that David was not referring to himself when he wrote this psalm. Peter quotes Psalm 110 to prove that the Being sitting at the right of Jehovah is not David but the exalted Jesus Christ! Peter affirms that Jesus Christ was with Jehovah and was Jehovah before He became flesh.
In Peter’s inspired sermon, recorded in Acts 2, he testifies that the Jehovah on the left in Psalm 110:1 is both Theos (verse 32) and Kurios (verse 34), and that the Jehovah on the right is both Kurios (verses 34-35) and Christos (verse 35). Peter boldly declares that it is Theos, the Father, Who has exalted Jesus and made Him Christos. Here is Peter’s inspired testimony:
“This Jesus hath God [Greek Theos, the Father] raised up [resurrected], whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God [Greek Theos, the Father] exalted, and having received of the Father [Greek Pater, referring to Theos] the promise of the Holy Ghost [the Spirit of Theos, the Father], He [the resurrected Jesus] hath shed forth this [the Holy Spirit of the Father], which ye now see and hear [the outward manifestations of the Holy Spirit]. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he [David] saith himself, The Lord [Greek Kurios, theFather] said unto my [David’s] Lord [Greek Kurios, the Son], Sit Thou [theSon] on My right hand, until I [the Father] make Thy foes Thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God [Greek Theos, the Father] hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord [Greek Kurios] and Christ [Greek Christos]” (Acts 2:32-36).
Peter’s words clearly show that the Jehovah/Adon of Psalm 110Who is sitting at the right hand of Jehovah is not King David! Peter emphatically states that David is still in his grave, and that it is Jesus, Jehovah of the Old Testament and Kurios/Christos of the New, Who has been raised from the dead by the power of the Father. It is the risen Christ Who has been exalted to sit at the right hand of God.Jesus Christ is also a God just like His Father 🙌
God bless
Hi Anthony,
No you ignore what scripture says,
Jesus was SENT to PREACH the Gospel of God, his words were God’s words not his own. So when one was listening to Jesus they were listening to God, as Jesus’s was God’s MESSENGER.
Such is exactly why the name of Jesus was Emmanuel, for God was WITH us through Jesus as Jesus was God’s Messenger.
Jesus was SENT to heal, to perform signs and miracles, these were not his works of his will, they were God’s works, of God’s will, Jesus was God’s MESSENGER.
God was WITH us through Jesus.
22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
You don’t acknowledge in the least who Jesus The Anointed is, Moses had said that God would RAISE UP FROM the PEOPLE a prophet greater than him and it is he that the people would hear.
God raised up that prophet when Jesus ascended from the water and the Spirit descended and Jesus was SENT out beginning in Galilee preaching God’s word, for he had the Spirit upon him, an ANOINTING having been Chrio made the Christos.
God was with the people through Jesus, as Jesus did not speak his own word but God’s word, as Jesus did not perform his own works from his own will, he was giving the people God’s works of God’s will.
Anthony, the purpose of God sending Jesus The Anointed was so that we would have faith in the One True God.
What we are to have faith in is that we are JOINT heirs with Christ, that the Son of God of which we are promised to be made in the image of, is unto a perfect man, where sin has been condemned in the FLESH, unto the measure and stature of an anointing of God’s Spirit.
You do nothing but speak against the Spirit of God.
Jodi,
Hos 13:4 Yet I am the YHWH THY GOD from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is NO SAVIOUR BESIDES ME.
Me: The person speaking was the Word of God who is God.
Hi Jodi,
You: The living bread is the flesh of Jesus that God knew through His calling of it to righteousness, that his mortal flesh would not sin, that it would accomplish God’s will, which was to condemn sin in the flesh.
Me: The living bread is the soul or heart of the flesh of the Messiah, not the flesh or body itself. His soul could sleep, but it could not corrupt. We consume of the Messiah’s heart of his soul.
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my (me: David’s) soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption…31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell (me: the grave), neither his flesh did see corruption.
Me: Verse 31 implies that David’s soul had not corrupted. Neither does anyone’s. It also implies that he Messiah’s body could have corrupted after three days, but not his soul, it slept like David’s.
Ezk 1:19 And I will give them ONE HEART, and I will put a new spirit (me: ONE SPIRIT) within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezk 36:26 A NEW HEART also will I give you, and a new spirit (me: ONE SPIRIT) will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
Me: We die to our heart of flesh in our souls (inner man) and have the heart of the Messiah in it at the end. We have one spirit in the end, the holy spirit. All life, not just human will have this spirit. We will not have the spirit of the air which the devil has also.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Hi Jodi,
John 7:37 (NKJV) On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, OUT OF HIS HEART will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [g]believing in Him would receive; for the [h]Holy Spirit was not yet ______, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Me: The human heart and mind of the Messiah is now in the holy spirit after he had risen from the dead and was glorified in heaven. The Messiah has two aspects of his one mind, his human and his Godly, of the express image of his father. We do too have a regenerated spirit mind when we are born of the spirit.
Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Me: We have a human mind similar to Christ when we die to ourselves and have his human heart in it.
Hi Jodi,
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Matt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven
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Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.Me: We will also have new spirit bodies like the Messiah does.
2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
TC……. Not a single word you quoted even hints at Jesus being a Spirit, without having a physical body. Scripture tell us we are waiting in hope for the resurection, “that will witness the redemption of our “BODIES” . There are no “spirit bodies”, there are spirits that live “in” physical bodies, called living souls.
You seem to not know what a soul really is’, Genesis tells us, a soul is, a body with the breath of life “in” it, this is what is called “A LIVING SOUL” these two things that must be present for us to live, nothing more, nothing less. You Can’t have a living Soul without a body. Jesus told us to fear him that can destory “both” Soul (breath of life) and body, in hell (grave). Jesus’ body was resurected and the spirit of life was added back into it, and he then became a living soul “again” . And is still a “living soul” to this very day.
TC you seem to be throwing away parts of scriptures to make your thelogies fit, the “sum” of God’s word is truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi TC,
Very simple,
Without YHWH Jesus could DO NOTHING. Acts 13 tells you directly that a man would fulfill all of YHWH’s will, that YHWH raised up for Israel a savior, Jesus.
YHWH saved us through the man Jesus. That is thus by YHWH through the man Jesus we are saved.
Jesus was ABLE to fulfill all of YHWH’s will because God was fully directing his path and that path was for him to condemn sin in the flesh. By being called to righteousness God held his hand and kept him to fulfill YHWH’s covenant, His WORD that He had declared from the beginning.
Hi TC,
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another.
This is YHWH’s word, it had been WITH him FROM the beginning, and He gave it to Isaiah.
This word continued to be WITH God until it was fulfilled and that word was fulfilled becoming TRUE in the flesh of Jesus. Jesus also spoke this WORD, that had been WITH God from the beginning.
That word declared by God from the beginning was ABOUT Jesus being called to righteousness and Jesus was declaring that he had indeed been called according to that Word, and that he was being sent out according to that Word. Jesus was fulfilling what YHWH had said, he is NOT fulfilling what he said, these words were NOT his, these words were not of his will. He was called to be led by the Spirit to speak the words and fulfill the words of God that were according to God’s will.
TC……. Not a single word you quoted even hints at Jesus being a Spirit, without having a physical body.
Gene, AND IN THIS CASE also Jodi,
How about the scripture hereunder? Can you tell me something about the meaning of it?
Gene, I suggest that you should ignore the fact that you accept only simply clear English. Otherwise, you end up talking nonsense!
Go ahead let us hear what you can understand, and reveal about Jesus! both as a SPIRIT, and as FLESH.
Isaiah 66.6
A voice of the people from the city, a voice from the temple, the voice of the Lord that rendereth recompense to his enemies.
Rejoice with Jerusalem
7Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man child.
8Who hath ever heard such a thing? and who hath seen the like to this? shall the earth bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be brought forth at once, because Sion hath been in labour, and hath brought forth her children?
9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,…
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
Carmel, Jesus was the only mortal human to have been born of God, born of the Holy Spirit being full of that Spirit, the Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding rested upon him, that was a prophecy and that prophecy became true in the flesh of Jesus, where people beheld his glory the glory of the only man having been begotton by the Spirit in full, with Wisdom and Understanding, Council and Might, WHY they said they were witnesses of him who was FULL of GRACE and TRUTH.
Carmel how was it that Jesus was FILLED with Grace and TRUTH? Was it NOT according to Jesus having been the offfspring of Jesse that had God’s Spirit rest upon him, “an anointing”, and being SENT out to give the people grace and truth by preaching the Gospel and healing the blind? Was it not according to a prophecy that was fulfilled in the man of flesh Jesus, receiving the Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding???
You: Jesus was fulfilling what YHWH had said, he is NOT fulfilling what he said, these words were NOT his, these words were not of his will. He was called to be led by the Spirit to speak the words and fulfill the words of God that were according to God’s will.
Jodi,
Read the scripture hereunder and tell me, what was Jesus a mere child of twelve, talking about?
Was He talking about GODS’ WILL or His OWN WILL?
Was Jesus led by the SPIRIT to SPEAK the words and fulfill the words of God that were according to God’s will?
Luke 2:46 And it came to pass, that, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in
THE MIDST OF DOCTORS hearing them and asking them questions.
47And all that heard him were
ASTONISHED AT HIS WISDOM AND ANSWERS.
48And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? Behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.49 And he said to them:
How is it that you sought me? Did you not know that
I MUST BE ABOUT MY FATHER’S BUSINESS?
50And they UNDERSTOOD NOT the word that he spoke unto them.
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
YOU: 9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
Jodi,
Hereunder is ALL THE SCRIPTURE again since for a reason or another, but for sure not according to your INTEREST, in relation to Jesus DIVINITY, YOU LEFT OUT!
ALSO, your answer for JUST THE VERSE NO. 9, IS out of context in relation to my question. Here it is again!
Go ahead let us hear what you can understand, and reveal about Jesus! both as a SPIRIT, and as FLESH.
Isaiah 66.6
A voice of the people from the city, a voice from the temple, the voice of the Lord that rendereth recompense to his enemies.
Rejoice with Jerusalem
7Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man child.
8Who hath ever heard such a thing? and who hath seen the like to this? shall the earth bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be brought forth at once, because Sion hath been in labour, and hath brought forth her children?
9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Jodi, I answered your questions, will you please have the curtsy to answer mine…
Hi Jody,
What exactly are you claiming came down from heaven? Jesus body?Jesus’s flesh that is said to be the BREAD of LIFE “which came down from heaven”.
Your words appear to be in conflict with each other,
can you please explain why you believe they are not…Hi Jody,
What exactly are you claiming came down from heaven? Jesus body?Jesus’s body didn’t literally come down from heaven
Thank you!
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