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Anthony, t8, and ALL,
Please discuss these passages,
2 Peter 1: 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we MADE KNOWN unto you the power and COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 3: 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The coming of our Lord Jesus The Anointed occurred upon the baptism of Jesus, when the Spirit descended like a dove upon him and God said, “THIS is my beloved Son”. Jesus received at that moment glory and honor from God and was sent out being led by the Spirit to perform God’s will. “Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God”. You are a Son of God when you follow God’s will, Jesus was anointed called to righteousness, such was him being born of the Spirit so that he had the power in him to follow God’s will and not his own. David’s son being begotten by God made into God’s own Son.
The COMING of the Messiah is according to prophecy, that coming according to prophecy IS NOT according to an anointed one coming down from heaven and being morphed into a zygote. The coming of the Messiah is according to a human servant being anointed with God’s Spirit and then being sent out into the world.
Peter tells you directly WHEN the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ occurred. This matches perfectly with Jesus’s own words in Luke 4, and with the words given to us in Acts 10, Jesus was anointed by God at the Jordan.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Hi JODI,
You:
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we MADE KNOWN unto you the power and COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me:
1 John 1:1 That WHICH WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
John 1:1 In the BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the BEGINNING with God.
2 Peter 1:16 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the SACRED MOUNTAIN.
Me: This is NOT the RIVER JORDAN. Read the context.
Matt 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an HIGH MOUNTAIN apart, 2 And was TRANSFIGURED before them: and his face did SHINE AS THE SUN, and his raiment was white as the light…5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Me: The rest of it I have explained and showed you the scriptures where the Messiah was born with the holy spirit in him.
Anthony…..let me put it in a real simple terms for you, in the beginning (of creation) was GOD (who is spirit, as well as his words that comes from him) . ACCORDING TO JESUS. Jesus told us “the words he was telling us were “not” his words, but the words of him who sent him, and they were Spirit and life. Jesus was quoting God the Fathers words to us, none of that made himself the word or a God.
Gen 1:1…..In the beginning “GOD” created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2….and the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3….and “God” said, let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:5….and “God” said, let there be a firmament, …..
Gen 1:9….and “God” said,….
Gen 1:11..and “God” said,….
Tell us Anthony do you see in any of that written, “the man Jesus said?
Heres what Jesus said, hear O Israel the LORD “our” God, is one LORD. Not two or three Lord’s beings, mingled together into one being called God. Did you notice the word “our God” there, Jesus was saying the LORD “his God” was one LORD, the same GOD as ours. When Jesus said I am going to my God and Your God, my Father and Your father , he was not talking about himself, anyone should be able to understand that. You make it out that Jesus was going to himself, nothing but a pure lie. Jesus is not YAHWEH, never was or never will be.
When John said in the beginning, the word was with God (a Spirit) and was God . He is SAYING , God and his word are the same “being”. God is not divided into various parts of different people or beings as you false preach. Jesus was no more a God then you or I am. I KNOW I AM NOT a God, how about you? Jesus, is not Yahweh, nor ever was, thats just you again trying to force scriptures to say what in fact no where is said.
Your not teaching the truth, your teaching the same false religion that nearly all Christendom teaches, and those who follow you will end up in the same rut your in, wake up repent Anthony, wash you eyes with the ointment God provides, “the spirit of truth”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
TC,
You left out,
Matthew 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
So it is you who are denying the context. God repeated what he said PRIOR at the river Jordan saying it AGAIN on the mountain. “This is my Son”, God is speaking in BOTH instances of His anointed one, the one anointed specifically being called to righteousness to be a covenant, being called to preach the Gospel of Peace and to fulfill that Gospel of peace. which is by God perfecting him and then giving him over to DEATH.
Matthew 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the VISION to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Acts 13:33 he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: “ ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’ 34 God raised him from the dead so that he will never be subject to decay. As God has said, “ ‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.’
The anointed Jesus called to righteousness to be a covenant for us, having the Spirit descend upon him like a dove at the river Jordan, DIED. He was DEAD, God raised him to LIFE giving him eternal life, MAKING him a Son for eternity. Upon the resurrection of Jesus, Jesus was raised in glory, raised in power, raised incorruptible, raised an eternal Son.
God had a Son, he WAS MORTAL and then he gave that Son over to DEATH. God brought His Son back to life, MAKING him a Son once more and giving him eternal life so that he would forever be His Son.
Read again,
2 Peter 1: 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we MADE KNOWN unto you the power and COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
NOW read,
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ:(he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and BEGAN from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good.
Jesus of NAZARETH, a MAN, was anointed with the Holy Ghost and sent out to preach God’s word. Jesus BECAME the Christ, the anointed and was sent to preach God’s word, that WORD of peace was eternal salvation, which that WORD was in the beginning WITH God and IN that word was “he”, he was in the beginning IN that WORD. Even if you don’t want to apply this fact to certain passages, all the same it is still true.
Jesus of Nazareth, prophesied to be CALLED to righteousness through the Spirit resting upon him, had went to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Is that just a coincidence to you TC?? Is it also just a coincidence that the word “Christ” means anointed and we read that Jesus of Nazareth is anointed and sent?
1 John 1:1 That WHICH WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
You just read in Acts 10, unless you just want to ignore that scripture, that God sent His word preaching peace, our salvation through Jesus, Jesus of Nazareth was anointed to be able to do so, made the Christ to be sent out to preach God’s Gospel, exactly what Jesus said in Luke 4, and in John 3 we read, “34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.”
The beginning here is when Jesus was sent preaching God’s word of life, that you are told BEGAN in Galilee, you are told that is WHEN Christ the lord had come. Jesus of Nazareth after being anointed reveals that he would die for our sins, of which we read God makes him perfected to become our source for eternal salvation. WHY would you NOT APPLY these teachings TC?? .
That beginning is Galilee the time when Jesus was SENT out into the world and BEGAN preaching the Gospel of God, as he was full of grace and truth having the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding upon him. Just before Galilee after having been anointed he is sent out into the wilderness, Jesus says when he is tempted, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
Jesus was that MAN who was not going to live by bread alone but live by God’s word. He was called to righteousness to live by God’s word, filled with the Spirit to be led to follow God’s word. He does not follow his own will but that of God’s according to God’s word.
TC, The WORD of Life, is that we have unity of faith believing that Jesus is the Son of God according to being a perfect man, that is the WORD of Life.
We believe that Jesus is an heir of God and that we are joint heirs with Jesus the anointed one being also an heir of God. You want to tell me what I just said is a LIE, it is all direct scripture.
TC we have LIFE through the death of a man made perfect and by believing that God too can make us perfect. This was God’s plan IN His WORD before the earth was made, that is a FACT.
All things and the Word of Life, are in Jesus of Nazareth because God was mindful of a man, visiting him, making him perfect becoming our source for eternal salvation. When God created the world He did it through this, through this plan that involved this man. In the perfected man we have eternal life, all things before the world was made was made by God through him.
Jesus speaks the Word of Life, REMEMBER TC, how Jesus said the Spirit was upon him, he was anointed to be sent to preach God’s word? Do you forget? Remember he said man shall LIVE by the word of God.
Jesus speaks God’s Gospel of peace, that which he was anointed and sent to do, telling his disciples what must shortly take place concerning him, he speaks of his death and then he is OBEDIENT to God, following the word of God that was given to him to preach, he fulfills it.
Hi Gene,
It is just bizarre how folks say Jesus is The WORD of God denying all scripture that relates Jesus to God’s word, as if none of it exists or I guess as if none of it is to be applied.
Very simple, we are told directly that Jesus had the Spirit rest upon him, an anointing and was sent out to PREACH God’s Gospel.
We are told directly that Spirit resting upon him was a calling to righteousness, not just a calling to speak God’s words and perform signs and miracles, but a calling where God would hold his hand and keep him, having him learn obedience through suffering. By that he is said to have been made perfect, and thus by his death we are washed clean. That is Jesus being led by the Spirit of God to fulfill the word’s of God.
It is simple,
The prophets received God’s Gospel, Jesus was anointed to speak it and anointed so that it would be possible for him to fulfill it. Then when that Word of God, that had been with God before the world was made, was fulfilled, men were anointed with God’s Spirit so that they could share and profess that this Gospel of God had been made true.
This simple TRUTH is all displayed for us directly in the below passage,
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Let’s read,
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Acts 12:24 But the word of God grew and multiplied.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
In that WORD that they received, that they heard, was the son of David being MADE a Son of God according to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead.
Jesus is IN God’s word, and Jesus fulfilled God’s word through having been called, having been elected. It is the offspring of Jesse who is called, who is elected. That calling and that election was known of by God before the world was made, DOES anyone want to deny such a simple fact??
God didn’t make heaven and earth and then later decide that He would save the world through a man learning obedience.
God made heaven and earth knowing that He could call a man, elect a man that would learn obedience, and thus save the world through that calling. God made the world by His Wisdom, having planned that we would become heirs of Him, joint heirs with Jesus the anointed, receiving the glory he received. God made heaven and earth through and for that glory. Jesus received that glory upon being raised from the dead, it was eternal life in a human being. That glory does not exist without the calling of a man to righteousness, that glory does not exist without a man having learned obedience.
Obedience was not accomplished because Jesus pre-existed, it was accomplished because Jesus as a child grew in wisdom and had the grace of God upon him knowing to choose the good over the evil, and then at the river he had been called to righteousness where God would hold his hand and keep him. Where all that Jesus did being sent out upon his anointing was coming directly from God’s will coming from heaven. It was accomplished through a human LEARNING, through a human being TAUGHT by God who never missed a mark following God’s will.
Peter tells you directly WHEN the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ occurred. This matches perfectly with Jesus’s own words in Luke 4, and with the words given to us in Acts 10, Jesus was anointed by God at the Jordan.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
He was still born the Christ. Being born the Christ has nothing to do with what you say above. It is written. If you cannot make it fit your currently theology, then pray for understanding. Does a prophet become a prophet the moment he utters his first prophecy. Do you really think God has the same timing as you. God made him the Christ and being the Christ, he was called and anointed. God obviously works to a different schedule than men do. It is written he was the Christ in the City of David. You guy’s should read John’s testimony about him. It doesn’t match your testimony and I believe John’s testimony over yours any day.
John the Baptist Denies Being the Messiah
19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.”
21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”
22 Finally they said, “Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”
23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’”[d]
24 Now the Pharisees who had been sent 25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know. 27 He is the one who comes after me, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”
28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
John Testifies About Jesus
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”
There are a whole lot of questions you guys can ask yourselves about the timing here. For starters, it says he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Yet the act that would enable this had not yet taken place. See how your carnal earthly view of things does not match God’s view?
Hi Jodi,
You:
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we MADE KNOWN unto you the power and COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: NO JODI, Christ did not receive glory and honor at Jordon.
You: You read again.
2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well please 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount
Me: This is NOT referring to the RIVER JORDAN. You cannot blend this in with Matt 3:16-17 like you deceitfully did.
You: The coming of our Lord Jesus The Anointed occurred upon the baptism of Jesus, when the Spirit descended like a dove upon him and God said, “THIS is my beloved Son”. Jesus received at that moment glory and honor from God.
Me:
Me: No he didn’t. Yes, it was a vision for after the resurrection and glorification of Christ.
Matthew 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the VISION to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Me: His glorification did not happen at Jordan. When did it happened?
Berean Study Bible
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus AGAIN; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Me: Jesus was the begotten son of God at his birth. The Messiah was raised AGAIN as the begotten son of God from the dead.
Heb 1:4 BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ANGELS as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten (Col 1:18:born) into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Me: Acts 13:33 is obviously referring to the resurrection and glorification of the Messiah. For prior to that, he was made a little lower than angels (Heb 2:9).
New American Standard Bible
Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy CHILD shall be called the Son of God.Me: Jodi, explain to me how the Messiah is called the holy child in Luke 1:35 without the spirit of God in him.
Luke 2:39 And the CHILD grew, and WAXED STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 AND ALLL THAT HEARD HIM WAS ASTONISHED at his UNDERSTANDING AND ANWSERS 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
Me: Jodi, explain to me how the child at twelve years old grew in the spirit if he did not have the holy spirit until Jordan. Explain to me how he went about doing his Father’s business if God was not his father until Jordan. Explain to me how he had astonished those that heard him if the spirit of God was not speaking through him.
Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: How can God be pleased with his son if he just became his son at Jordon? I believe his father was pleased with him up to that point. Please answer these questions directly and not go rambling around elsewhere like you always do.
Hi t8,
EVEN with John quoting prophecy you refuse to apply prophecy, it is just bizarre.
John clearly tells you that he KNOWS prophecy, he KNOWS who Jesus is ACCORDING to prophecy. He knows what Isaiah said and he speaks of Jesus according to that word of God. What he did not know was that he had to baptize Jesus in order for that word to be fulfilled.
Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
t8, is not the Spirit of God descending upon Jesus like a dove, a fulfillment of Isaiah 11, 42, and 61? Does not Jesus SAY it is in Luke 4? Does John also not quote from Isaiah?
Those prophecies are of the offspring of Jesse, where that offspring is the elected, called to righteousness. John had to baptize him first so such could be fulfilled. John didn’t know that he needed to, he just knew Jesus ACCORDING to Isaiah. He had know clue as to what you speak. Even John calling Jesus the lamb of God is according to prophecy, that has NOTHING to do with Jesus pre-existing and everything to do with the calling to righteousness being made perfect a Lamb without spot or blemish for a sacrifice.
Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
That meat was made perfect and sacrificed, it died, but it was not allowed to see decay, instead it was raised from the dead given eternal life. So when John speaks of the Lamb of God, he is not speaking of some pre-existing being, he is speaking of Jesus according to the PROPHECIES that he has read, which you ignore as you seriously just don’t apply the obvious where the obvious is directly suppose to be applied.
Good Morning TC,
2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
WHAT is the source of righteousness?
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
The source is the LORD and it is received through a calling by the LORD. Isaiah speaks of a specific calling to a specific man, who is the offspring of Jesse, one who has God’s Spirit placed upon him, and it is a calling to righteousness, and it is a GLORY which God says that He will not give to any other.
TC, in Isaiah 42 the one who is called to righteousness is not the Creator, but a man who God created, a man of the people that “God gave the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein”. A mortal was called to righteousness receiving glory that no other would receive.
This anointing of the Spirit, this calling to righteousness, this receiving of GLORY is directly said to have NOT occurred yet, and the NT tells us WHEN exactly it did occur, upon the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth.
This Spirit resting upon Jesus, an anointing Jesus directly says it is, is a calling for him to be sent out to preach God’s word, to deliver captives, be a light delivering people who sit in darkness. THIS is the people’s anointed one, “the Son of Man who has come to save that which was lost”, Israel, and even be a light for the Gentiles.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him..
The servant is God’s elect, elected to receive God’s Spirit being called to righteousness receiving glory that no other is to receive.
I want to give you what is said by Peter in the first book,
1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Peter was also elected by God, to believe and preach in the one who shed his blood, to the Lamb of God, the man who God brought to perfection through having him learn obedience through his suffering. To preach thankfulness to God for a living hope, where we believe that just as God raised Jesus from the dead and gave him eternal life, we too shall receive eternal life.
Back to 2 Peter 1,
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath CALLED us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. 16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
TC this is truly enough already,
When the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove God said, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” When he comes to the people after this Spirit coming down like a dove UPON him and God says “THIS is my Son”, he reads from Isaiah, he reads the prophecy that speaks of him receiving GLORY, his calling to righteousness, and the people FROM THAT TIME on BEHELD his GLORY, from that time fame began to spread about him.
Jesus of Nazareth had been anointed, he was their Messiah that had been prophesied to one day come spoken by Isaiah, one who would deliver, heal, set liberty, preach truth of the Kingdom of God. One who would be their king over David’s throne, receiving the blessings that God had promised David. Their Messiah that they KNEW would come, they knew that from prophecy, and he would be a man in the flesh the offspring of Jesse and David, anointed by God, called to righteousness, to be a LIGHT, a Savior. A Son of Man was being SENT to save, a man who God was going to visit with His Spirit, for the suffering of death, to then raise him from the dead and crown him with glory and honor, placing him on an eternal throne, and that throne would be his father David’s.
The WORD of God in Isaiah BECAME TRUE in the FLESH of Jesus, a man came to Galilee and from their fame spread, and from there they witnessed his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father, he had by the Spirit he received, was able to heal, raise the dead, turn water into wine, control the wind. He had by the Spirit he received Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and fear of the LORD, and he would speak God’s word, and he would fulfill God’s WORD.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The GLORY the people beheld was the glory of a Man who had God’s Spirit resting upon him, where they witnessed signs and miracles, as he went BEGINNING in Galilee doing good, for God was with him.
TC, it is very simple, Jesus was full of grace and truth because God’s word had been fulfilled by the prophet Isaiah.
The SAME voice that had said upon the Spirit descending like a dove on Jesus, “THIS is my beloved Son”, they heard themselves, they heard that same voice saying those SAME words, they heard it upon seeing a VISION of Jesus, that had to do with his resurrection.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Jesus was not the Word of God, he was IN the word of God spoken by holy men of God, through God’s Holy Spirit.
TC, God calls Jesus His beloved Son upon his baptism, this Son is sent out performing signs and miracles, speaking God’s word of God’s kingdom, the people from that time on beheld the glory of Jesus, they were a witness from then of God’s beloved Son.
17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
TC, Peter is speaking of WHEN it was originally said, and then he is going on to say they heard that same voice saying that same thing upon seeing a vision of Jesus, a vision of him resurrected, where you read in Acts those words being spoken yet again as fulfilling God’s promise to David.
EXACTLY why Peter then speaks of prophecy, prophecy of a resurrection.
TC,
YOU:Me: NO JODI, Christ did not receive glory and honor at Jordon.
ME: The Spirit descends like a dove on Jesus, God says, “THIS is my beloved Son”. Jesus shortly thereafter quotes from Isaiah speaking of the Spirit resting upon him, being anointed and SENT. In Isaiah the Spirit resting upon him, is said that he has been GIVEN GLORY.
Before Jesus quotes Isaiah, Luke says, “14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.”
Jesus was glorified by all because he had received glory, he had received the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, of Council and MIGHT, of Knowledge and of Fear of the LORD. The people beheld the GLORY of the one that had been SENT. Jesus declares to you WHEN he was sent and that which he was SENT to DO.
You seriously want to say TC, that when the people said that they BEHELD his GLORY, they were not speaking of the man in the flesh who was the one that God fulfilled Isaiah 11, 42, and 61 with?
What you are saying is a disgrace to God, the Spirit descending upon Jesus of Nazareth, it is said to be his anointing, you are told such in multiple places, the fulfilling of Isaiah’s great prophecy of a man anointed, that is not glory to you?
This in not Jesus’s only glory, because that receiving at the Jordan of God’s Spirit was a CALL to righteousness where Jesus is fully led by the Spirit to fulfill God’s will, which is for him to be perfected and die on the cross, as a Lamb of God, with no spot or blemish. Because he has been perfected and there was no sin found in him he is not worthy of his death, he is so not worthy God would not allow his holy flesh without spot or blemish to see decay.
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
That glory that he enters into is where his flesh doesn’t see decay but eternal life, and he becomes the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, where he receives all the works of God’s hands, dominion over all the earth, GIVEN first place in all things.
With that dominion, he will be a judge and a ruler, but it is not by his own eyes and ears, but through righteous judgement because God’s Spirit is still upon him.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
This is the glory of Jesus, the firstborn of the dead, firstborn over all creation of a new beginning, the WORD of God spoken to David fulfilled. That word of God had been WITH God even prior, BEFORE He gave it to David. That word had been WITH God since before God created heaven and earth and all things. God KNEW who He was going to GIVE all the works of HIS HANDS to. God had planned from the beginning to anoint a man and send him into the world make him our source for eternal life.
That MAN is spoken to you clearly in ACTS, and you are clearly given what it is he receives, and it isn’t going back to being something he was before, it is receiving that which God had promised before the earth was made, a promise that had been WITH God and then He spoke it to David. God is not a liar, His word is always WITH Him, it shall be made true. The firstborn of the dead, the one made perfect was IN God’s word before the world was.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Jesus was raised in glory RECEIVING a PROMISE TC, and that PROMISE had been WITH God from the beginning, it was His WORD that He created all things through, eternal life, and then he gives this son of David, who was MADE God’s eternal Son, all things.
And guess what, he was raised receiving the promise of the Spirit, that Spirit is what allows him to judge the quick and the dead, allows him to rule with righteous judgment not by his own eyes and ears.
This is because Jesus is a human that needs God’s Spirit in him, as we all do, to walk in God’s path. Jesus is to bring down all other rule and authority, so that God can be ALL in ALL, that we can be joint heirs with him, the firstborn of the dead, the Last Adam (of the RED EARTH), being also an Heir of God, having received God’s Spirit to a measure that makes us walk perfectly in His ways.
God created heaven and earth for this reason, so that He could be all in all, where humans walk perfectly in His ways, so that we can live the way God intended. All the earth will be restored. JESUS, the Son of Man that died on the cross is the firstborn over all creation, as ALL creation will be restored, animals will no longer be wild and eat flesh, there will be no more thorns, and thistles, no disease, pestilence, famine, drought, floods. The whole earth will be filled with the knowledge of our heavenly Father and be at peace.
We will lift up our human voices and our instruments, singing and playing music to our Heavenly Father, making music through our imagination that walks only after God’s ways. We will dance with joy. We will eat from the vine of His garden, as we watch the lamb dwell peacefully with the lion.
Jodi……You got that right, it is “bizarre” and “fusstrating”, they are so blind they can’t even get the simple things right.
It would even be humorous, if it weren’t damaging, but it sure does prove a point, unless the Lord shall build the house the weary builders build in vain.
Thats why Jesus and the deciples never tried to convience people to hard lest they themselves became discouraged, they understood that, so they simply throw out the words, truthfully and let them fall where the will, and if God was with the person that heard them, he would understand and respond. If not they simply shook off the dust from their feet and left.
I used to believe you could convience a person of the truth, but have come to see you Can’t, it is a “futile” effort Sister. Our descussions with them will simple go round and around, the only advantage, is for us, because it drives us deeper and deeper into the word of God, and that is a good thing. If we are going to be teachers latter we need to know the how to handle the false teachings of today that are so in tangled in the minds of those who know not the truth, but hold to the false teachings of fallen christanity.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Jodi,
Please answer these questions directly and not go rambling around elsewhere like you always do.
Me: Guess what? That is exactly what you did. So the questions are posted below again. The prophecies of Isaiah can occur without precluding the sprit of God in the Messiah before Jordon. The exact image of God is the Word of God as I have shown. The divinity of God was in fully in God from his conception.
I will list the questions again for you since you glossed over them and went on your tirade.
May 20, 2019 at 4:21 pm
Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy CHILD shall be called the Son of God.
Me: Jodi, explain to me how the Messiah is called the holy child in Luke 1:35 without the spirit of God in him.
Luke 2:39 And the CHILD grew, and WAXED STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: 40 and the “grace of God was upon him”. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 AND ALLL THAT HEARD HIM WAS ASTONISHED at his UNDERSTANDING AND ANWSERS 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
Me: Jodi, explain to me how the child at twelve years old grew in the spirit if he did not have the holy spirit until Jordan. Explain to me how he went about doing his Father’s business if God was not his father until Jordan. Explain to me how he had astonished those that heard him if the spirit of God was not speaking through him.
Notice in verse 40 that “grace of God was UPON HIM“. This corresponds to the Spirit of God was upon the Messiah in Luke 3:22 and Isaiah 11:2.
1 Sam 19:23 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah
Me: Does this mean that Samuel did not have the spirit of God in him until then? NO, it means that God gave him an extra measure of the spirit. Neither did Jesus not have the spirit of God in him.
Jodi,
Anwser
Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: How can God be pleased with his son if he just became his son at Jordon? I believe his father was pleased with him up to that point.
Jodi
Please answer all the scripture below. What does this mean to you?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth...8 He (John the Baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Me: The Messiah is the express or exact image of the mind of his Father. He was always that exact image and is always was called the Word of God. He had bonded with the human spiritual seed or of David. This seed grew in its bond with the Word and was completely bonded at the at the glorification with his Father in heaven.
New American Standard Bible
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Jodi,
The Messiah could have been the Word of God bonded with flesh at birth and the prophecies of Isaiah could still be fulfilled. They are not exclusive of one another.
Gene:
You and Jodi are either spiritual imbeciles or your doctrine is from hell. Either way, it is not good. Please show me anyone else that believes like you do. Otherwise, only you and Jodi are of the straight and narrow way. You both avoid questions poise to you and go on a long tirade about things not pertaining to the discussion at hand.
Hi Jodi
You said: Anthony go read through the gospels, see how Jesus was called their king, before he was actually their king, they called him their king because of prophecy. This is the SAME reason why the angel called Jesus the Christ, as he was their Christ according to prophecy.
Me: really, that the first for me. That’s why the Angel called Him Messiah? Because of prophecy,like He really wasn’t the Messiah. Oh, right Jodi.
God bless
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