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Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,…
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
2 Cor 3:15 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Me: The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah. He is the Word of God.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,…
Gene,
You believe that you and Jodi represent the truth of God, that you represent the narrow way. I beg to differ. IMO, you both are a narrow and wrong way.
You believe that the Messiah did not have the holy spirit of God in him since the beginning , that he received it at Jodan.
that he had a carnal mind like the rest of us.
that he was not the unique son of God but just a good man.
That he was not God expressed in the flesh.
That he is not to be worshipped as God.
Me: What total Garbage–lots of words but little truth. You have stated your case in part one and two. You can go on to part one thousand. I still won’t believe you. I believe the scriptures and God. You have convince no one here–thank God for that. You and Jodi are in a hypnotic devilish trance as far as I am concerned–IMO.
TC…..YOU sound like those who were accusing Jesus of the same thing. I, nor Jodi have not presented anything that is not scripture in plain and simple language, for anyone to understand. You on the other spend all you time trying to preach a different Jesus then our clear scriptures say. You certinely can believe any corruption of scripture you choose. That you right, AND we have a right to believe that way we want to also.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Jodi
Yes, the Lord’s name is great in might and He is the King of the nation. v.10 the Lord is the true God he is the living God and the everlasting king. ( God of truth and king of eternity). In verse 12&13 says he God made the earth by His power established the world by his wisdom, stretched out the heavens when He uttered his voice. Who do you suppose did this, the creation?Colossians 1:15-18 King James Version (KJV)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him, all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
You don’t consider the progressive revelation of Scripture. As we can see is that Jesus Christ created all things.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son, is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. God here is El. Speaking of Jesus Christ.
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
What is it that we are told we are to believe in Anthony?
And Thomas answered my Lord and my God.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Adonai, and kyrios the Geek word usually translated lord, it appears 740 times in the New Testament usually refers to Jesus Christ. Christ is the Messiah, the Anointed One,(Christos). Christian commonly refer to Jesus as either the Christ or the Messiah. The messianic prophecies were fulfilled in His mission, death, and resurrection, and He will return to fulfill the rest of the messianic prophecies.
Isaiah 53:4-6 King James Version (KJV)
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes, we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way, and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.Zechariah 9:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
Zechariah 14:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished, and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south. Jodi, you mention 10:36-42 only God can forgive sins. Verse 43: 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Jesus is called God because His Father is. As long as we are in Christ we are joint heirs, we will be fully adopted sons at our resurrection if we make the first resurrection.
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Don’t SET ASIDE Anthony that our One True God MADE Jesus both our Lord and our Christ. YHWH our Father MADE Jesus our savior, YHWH judges the earth through his anointed, the offspring of Jesse. The Father and the Only Begotten Son = One God see post #845214 page 128 and post #845284 page 130. Jesus Christ laid His glory aside here on earth and pick it up again at His Ascension. but you don’t believe in any of that, that’s how I know you teach another gospel. You don’t believe He came in the flesh you believe He was here already.
God blessHi Jodi
The name Logos and the Word identifies the title of the person who was with God the Father at the beginning. He was not only with the Father, but He was also like the Father by being “God.” John said: “the Word was God.” And, indeed He was a God. As a matter of fact, at His birth, the angel told Joseph that besides His name “Jesus” (which means “Savior”), He also bears the august name “Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God [El] with us” (Matthew 1:23).
Let’s face it, Jesus as “God” has been around long before John the Baptist came into existence, and the spiritual name of Jesus was (and is) Emmanuel (“God with us”). So, the Word (Logos) came into the world and the world did not recognize Him (John 1:10). But John the Baptist finally became aware of who He was. He pointed Him out to the world and said that Jesus was a person who “is preferred before me: for he was before me” (John 1:15). Also, “for he was before me” (John 1:30). John the Baptist meant “before me IN TIME.”
Indeed, not only did Christ Jesus have a history preceding that of John the Baptist, we read again in the same Gospel of John that Christ had an existence even before the patriarch Abraham (John 8:58).
“Then said the Jews unto him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?’ Jesus said unto them, ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.’”
John 8:57–58
The apostle Paul reinforced the teaching of the pre-existence of Jesus as a living personality with the rank of “God” when he told the Corinthians that
“[Israel] did all drink the same spiritual drink [at the time of the Exodus from Egypt]: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1 Corinthians 10:4
Just Who Was (and Is) Jesus Christ?
We need to know who that personage was standing before John the Baptist and the Jewish authorities in his day that was called Emmanuel (“God with us”) at his birth? The Book of Revelation adds some pertinent information: Note the clear teaching of the Scripture. Christ said:
“‘I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,’ says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:8
This same personage is described in physical detail in the rest of chapter 1 of Revelation. He is also depicted as the “Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” (Revelation 1:11) and as the One
“that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hades and death.”
Revelation 1:18
He is the same personage who is described as associated with God the Father around the throne of the universe in Revelation chapter 5. He is shown to be the One who “was slain and has redeemed us [mankind] to God by your blood” (Revelation 5:9) who is called “the Lamb of God” (verse 13). He is also the One unto whom the Father has committed all judgment of humanity. “For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son” (John 5:22), and when the time of judgment comes we find Christ sitting on His throne of judgment with the power of God on His person.
“And he that sat on the throne [in judgment] said, ‘Behold, I make all things new.’ And he said unto me, ‘Write: for these words are true and faithful.’ And said unto me, ‘It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.’”
Revelation 21:5–7
It should be noted that in the Day of Judgment mentioned in the Book of Revelation, that it is Christ Jesus who bears in His person the rank of God. He at that time will even have children (as was prophesied in the prophecy of the “Suffering Servant” in Isaiah 53:10 when the “Barren Woman” of Isaiah 54 to 55 brings forth her children who will be engendered by the glorified Messiah who died for the world as described in Isaiah chapter 53. 2 Christ even bears the name YHVH (Yahweh) in the prophecy of Zechariah 14:3–9.
Christ Jesus Was the One Who Created the Universe
Let us look at the plain teaching of the apostle Paul in Hebrews chapters 1 and 2 for a clear understanding of how Christ Jesus was the One (under the power and auspices of God his Father, and our Father) who brought into existence the physical universe that we observe around us (both the heavens and the earth). Paul called Jesus by the term “God” and said He was the divine personage being referred to in Psalm 45 (where a heavenly scene is depicted with heavenly geography that has names similar to our geography on earth). Paul said:
“But unto the Son he [God the Father] says,
‘Your throne, O God [Jesus here is also called “God”], is forever and ever [the age of the age]: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. 3 And you, Lord [Jesus is called by Paul “Lord” (the “Lord” of the Old Testament)], in the beginning, have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the work of your hands.’”
Hebrews 1:8–10
In the clearest of language, the apostle Paul (under divine inspiration) states that it was Christ Jesus (who had the rank of “God” on Him) who under God the Father created the heavens and the earth. This means that Jesus (as Emmanuel) had a history of living existence that goes back before the heavens and the earth ever came into existence. Indeed, it was Jesus in His former state as the Logos who was with God the Father when the heavens and the earth were created.
As a matter of fact, in the Book of Colossians, Paul stated (again in plain and simple language) that the first thing created by God the Father was Christ Jesus, and then God the Father gave power to Christ Jesus to create the heavens and the earth.
“Who [Christ Jesus] is the image of the invisible God [God the Father], the firstborn of every creature [Greek: creation]. For by Him [Christ Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth [precisely as Paul said in Hebrews 1:8–10, and this interprets the prepositions of Colossians correctly], visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him [by the hand of Christ Jesus], and for Him: and He is before all things and by Him all things consist.”
Colossians 1:15–17
Note carefully the teaching of the apostle Paul in the above section of Scripture that Christ Jesus was “before all things.” This clearly means that in matters of time and space, Christ Jesus came BEFORE them all. Indeed, Christ had to be BEFORE them all in time and space because Paul said that the FIRST CREATION of all things in the creation WAS CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF! Never forget this fact! This means that Christ Jesus was a created being (He is not to be reckoned as having an eternal existence), but He came into existence as the first creative act of God the Father (even before “Wisdom” was created as recorded in Proverbs 8:22–31).
He became God (like the Father) by being the first created of the Father. Those who claim that Christ Jesus only came into a living existence at His birth in Bethlehem are as far off from the truth as they can get. Indeed, it was Christ who (under the authority of the Father) created the heavens and the earth. Christ Jesus was (and is) a part of the single “Godhead” called Elohim. 4
And what did the very Creator of heaven and earth [Christ Jesus] do some 2000 years ago? It was in His plan to become a human being and to experience the life of a human being in order to exalt the totality of the human race into a position of divine “Godhood” that both He and the Father now enjoy. To do this, Christ had to empty Himself of His divine glory and assume the position of an ordinary human being just like you and I are at the present. The apostle Paul explains this in the clearest of ways.god bless
Hi TC:
YOU:The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah. He is the Word of God.
ME:The Messiah speaks the word of God and you are directly told WHEN Jesus was anointed and sent to do so (Luke 4). Not only was he speaking God’s words but he was following God’s will fulfilling the very Gospel that he spoke.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
That same Spirit that Jesus RECEIVED enabling him to speak God’s word, was the same Spirit that was given to Isaiah to speak God’s word, and it was the same Spirit given to Paul to speak God’s word.
TC, the below is TRUE,
Jesus spoke identifying himself as the person who Isaiah prophesied about. Jesus nor Isaiah were the authors of the Gospel, YHWH our Father was, Isaiah and Jesus were the speakers of the Father’s words. Not only that, but those words were fulfilled in a man of flesh, making God’s words true/fulfilled in the flesh. YHWH’s words were no longer a promise that had been WITH Him before the world was, now they were fulfilled, existing in the flesh.
Jesus was anointed with God’s Spirit, he was being TAUGHT and led by God to walk perfectly in God’s ways, as his anointing was a calling to righteousness to be a covenant.
YOU: “The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah”.
ME: The speech of God is spoken by many, it comes FROM the Father, the Spirit of truth proceeds from the Father.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may GIVE unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Prophecy of YHWH’s will given in Isaiah and again ins Revelation,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
TC, the offspring of Jesse anointed with God’s Spirit when he returns he is judging the world through God and not by his own eyes or ears. When he comes he is FULFILLING YHWH’s words, the will of YHWH, which was given to us in Isaiah and Revelation. Such is exactly WHY his name is called The Word of God, out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, he is smiting the nations and he is ruling not through himself but through God and according to God’s prophecy, which is YHWH’s word that has been spoken before it is completed, His word that had even been WITH Him before the world was.
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
When Jesus returns he is a human who has God’s Spirit upon him, and he had been MADE perfect, he follows God’s will alone, and he is returning with the end result to have God be ALL in ALL, no longer just God IN him, we are to be glorified as he is, being made Heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ. The firstborn of many brethren fulfilled.
Hi Jodi,
You quoted me: The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah. He is the Word of God.
You: The Messiah speaks the word of God and you are directly told WHEN Jesus was anointed and sent to do so (Luke 4). Not only was he speaking God’s words but he was following God’s will fulfilling the very Gospel that he spoke.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
That same Spirit that Jesus RECEIVED enabling him to speak God’s word, was the same Spirit that was given to Isaiah to speak God’s word, and it was the same Spirit given to Paul to speak God’s word.Me: I have addressed all this already with Gene. You should quote the scriptures I have laid down and respond by telling us what they mean to you. You do not do this but go on a tangent on what you believe. Christ was indeed anointed with the spirit of God WITH POWER and with the assistance of angels at Jordan, but he already had the spirit of God in him at conception in heaven before coming to earth.
Me: There is only one spirit.—true.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and ONE SPIRIT…
Rev 5:6 And I looked, [c]and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Zec 3:9 For behold, the stone
That I have laid before Joshua:
Upon the stone are seven eyes.
Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’
Says the LORD of hosts,
And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.Me: But there is more than one mind of the spirit. There also are seven aspects to the one spirit, one of them being the seed of David, another fear of YHWH (Isa 11:2).
Romans 8:27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind (GOD’S MIND) of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Me: Our heavenly father has his own mind.
Eph 4:23 {NKJV) and be renewed in the spirit of YOUR MIND.
Me: We have our own mind.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man (me: mind) does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the MIND of the Lord (KURIOS) that he HE MAY INSTURCT Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Me: And we have our own minds. The holy spirit is the conduit of the minds. Christ instructs us. His mind conforms to his Father’s and our minds conform to his. Therefore our minds conform to the Father’s through the holy spirit.
John 12:48 (NKJV) He who rejects Me, and does not receive MY WORDS, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,…
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall RECIEVE OF MINE and shall shew it unto you.
2 Cor 3:15 Now the Lord (Kurios) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord (kurios) is, there is liberty
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.Me: The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah. He is the Word of God. I had explained this. Again, you have not examined the verses quoted by went on your own tangent.
John 10:30 I and My Father are one.
Me: There is only one True God, the father. There is only one true Son of God–the Messiah. The Messiah is the direct offspring of God. We are sons of God by adoption through Christ. I have already explained this.
Hi Jodi,
You: TC, the below is TRUE,
Me: Not necessarily
So You: Jesus spoke identifying himself as the person who Isaiah prophesied about. Jesus nor Isaiah were the authors of the Gospel, YHWH our Father was, Isaiah and Jesus were the speakers of the Father’s words. Not only that, but those words were fulfilled in a man of flesh, making God’s words true/fulfilled in the flesh. YHWH’s words were no longer a promise that had been WITH Him before the world was, now they were fulfilled, existing in the flesh.
Me: True
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,…
You: Jesus was anointed with God’s Spirit, he was being TAUGHT and led by God to walk perfectly in God’s ways, as his anointing was a calling to righteousness to be a covenant.
Me: The Messiah was taught by God long before Jordan.
Luke 2:43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the CHILD Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Hi Jodi,
Me:
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son…
Me: There is only one God, the Father and the MESSIAH. All the Words from THOUGHTS of the MIND of the Father is spoken or revealed from the HUMAN mind of his Son as though it was the Son’s words. Words express the THOUGHTS of God.
Isa 55:8 For My THOUGHTS are not your thoughts…
You quoted me: “The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah”.
You: The speech of God is spoken by many, it comes FROM the Father, the Spirit of truth proceeds from the Father.
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
the offspring of Jesse anointed with God’s Spirit when he returns he is judging the world through God and not by his own eyes or ears. When he comes he is FULFILLING YHWH’s words, the will of YHWH, which was given to us in Isaiah and Revelation. Such is exactly WHY his name is called The Word of God, out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, he is smiting the nations and he is ruling not through himself but through God and according to God’s prophecy, which is YHWH’s word that has been spoken before it is completed, His word that had even been WITH Him before the world was.
Me: The Word of God is expressed by the Messiah now. It will be expressed by the saints as priest as given by the Messiah when he returns.
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,…
The book of Hebrew was written much later after the Messiah was resurrected and glorified in heaven. So even at least to that point, the words received was from the Messiah. Yes, it was the thoughts of his Father expressed by his Son.
You: John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may GIVE unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Me: Again,
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Me: Notice of the spirit of truth “WHATEVER HE SHALL HEAR” . So the spirit of truth is not the father here. The Father does not hear himself. Rather the Lord is that spirit. He reveals the thoughts of his Father in words.
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord (Kurios) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord (kurios) is, there is liberty.
1 Cor 15:45 (NLT)The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.
John 6:63…the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Me: We have one teacher.
Matt 23:10 (NKJV) And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.Please disregard the last post. I do not know what happened.
Me:
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son…
Me: There is only one God, the Father and the MESSIAH. All the Words from THOUGHTS of the MIND of the Father is spoken or revealed from the HUMAN mind of his Son as though it was the Son’s words. Words express the THOUGHTS of God.
Isa 55:8 For My THOUGHTS are not your thoughts…
You quoted me: “The entire speech of God is now through the Messiah”.
You: The speech of God is spoken by many, it comes FROM the Father, the Spirit of truth proceeds from the Father.
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
the offspring of Jesse anointed with God’s Spirit when he returns he is judging the world through God and not by his own eyes or ears. When he comes he is FULFILLING YHWH’s words, the will of YHWH, which was given to us in Isaiah and Revelation. Such is exactly WHY his name is called The Word of God, out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, he is smiting the nations and he is ruling not through himself but through God and according to God’s prophecy, which is YHWH’s word that has been spoken before it is completed, His word that had even been WITH Him before the world was.Me: The Word of God is expressed by the Messiah now. It will be expressed by the saints as priests as given by the Messiah when he returns.
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,…
The book of Hebrew was written much later after the Messiah was resurrected and glorified in heaven. So even at least to that point, the words received was from the Messiah. Yes, it was the thoughts of his Father expressed by his Son.
You: John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may GIVE unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Me: Again,
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Me: Notice of the spirit of truth, which is the comforter in John 16:13 “WHATEVER HE SHALL HEAR” . So the spirit you of truth is not the father here. The Father does not hear himself. Rather the Lord is that spirit. He reveals the thoughts of his Father in words as if they were his words and thoughts.2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord (Kurios) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord (kurios) is, there is liberty.
1 Cor 15:45 (NLT)The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving SPIRIT.John 6:63…the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Me: We have one teacher.
Matt 23:10 (NKJV) And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.Hi Jodi
You: Prophecy of YHWH’s will given in Isaiah and again ins Revelation,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of YHWH shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD:…
When Jesus returns he is a human who has God’s Spirit UPON HIM, and he had been MADE perfect, he follows God’s will alone,…
Me: ABSOULUTELY NOT! Christ’s soul is one of the seven spirits of God. The Mind of God is in the Messiah’s mind through the holy spirit. The spirit of God includes the human heart and mind of the Messiah and is in the Father’s mind.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Me: Likewise, the human mind and heart is in us through the holy spirit.
The spirit of God was in the Messiah from his conception. It was in him long before Jordan. I had explained this to Gene. You have not brought up these scriptures that I had quoted as if they are irrelevant. They are not.
Luke 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
Me: The Son of God was doing his Father’s business long before Jordon. Yes, he probably was anointed with the spirit of God with POWER at Jordon for the ardent task before him. The angels of God guided his paths.
Hi Jodi,
You: Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
TC, the offspring of Jesse was anointed with God’s Spirit, when he returns he is judging the world through God and not by his own eyes or ears.
Me: NO!
John 5:22 For the FATHER JUDGETH NO MAN, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Me: Man is to be judged by the spiritual man. God has full trust in him.
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the PRESENCE OF THE LAMB.
Me: These, who are not in good stead shall be judged in the presence of the lamb. Why? Because they are going to be compared with the lamb. They are tormented by quilt. They are going to be cleanse by the Lamb. Brimstone is a cleaning agent and is represented as the Lamb’s blood.
Here is a good article on this.
https://www.godfire.net/eby/lake.html
scroll down to “Tormented In The Presence of The Lamb”
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 15 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Me: Christ judges all things. We too are to become judges.
You:
Isa 11:3… and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.Me: The Messiah shall not judge the way the world judges. He judges with righteousness. He looks at the heart. He does not judge according to sight or hearing.
TC…..Jesus has the seven spirits of God, and the seven horns (powers) and he shall judge by those seven spirits and use those seven horns (powers) to execute those judgements, Jodi is completely right.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Gene:
You: ” Jodi is completely right”
Me: You toady. No, if anything, Jodi is completely WRONG, no matter how much you say that she is right. By you constantly repeating this, does not make her right. Like Stalin and Moa, this is of a Satanic spirit.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Me: Both of you do not even understand the bible from a worldly perspective, IMO.
Good Morning Anthony,
YOU: Who do you suppose did this, the creation?
ME: This is bizarre to me, you just gave the scripture that says WHO did this, YHWH by His powers, His Wisdom, and His voice,
Isaiah 42 tells you that YHWH created the heavens and the earth, that he gave man the breath of life and a spirit to walk therein. We also read that with His same powerful and wise Spirit that He created the world through, He calls a man to righteousness anointing Him giving him His powers and wisdom.
Jesus is this man, He is not the Creator he is the created who the Creator rests His Spirit upon. It couldn’t be given to you more clearly. You walk away from this truth and don’t apply it where it exactly needs to be applied keeping God’s word true.
Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Anthony, Jesus was not the Creator, and the words of God that had been written concerning God’s creation came from God, NOT by a pre-existing Jesus.
Anthony it is given to you clearly by Jesus himself, he DID NOT say, “I which made them at the beginning”.
Jesus teaches you the very opposite of what you say Anthony.
Colossians 1: 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
Colossians 1 tells you directly WHO the verse is speaking of, the resurrected Christ who shed his blood. HE is the image of the invisible God. The man that God had called to righteousness, PERFECTED and gave eternal life to, HE is the image of the invisible God. This verse is not speaking about some non flesh being as the image of the invisible God, it is the MAN who shed his blood and was perfected learning obedience going to the cross. It is the man who was changed, raised in glory, raised in power, raised incorruptible, GIVEN eternal life.
The WHO here you are directly told is the man who brought your redemption shedding his blood, he indeed was raised from the dead as the firstborn of all creation. Paul goes on to tell you specifically firstborn of the dead of just exactly WHAT creation it is he is talking about, one that is the new beginning.
17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell;
Anthony, you have prophecy telling you that God was going to visit a Son of Man and he would die and God would give him dominion over all the works of His hands. David tells you speaking God’s word, that this Son of Man, God would have him wounded for our transgressions and give him a portion with the great.
You ignore passages, you ignore the clear truth given to you and then you CHANGE WHO it is Paul is speaking about.
If it were not for Jesus dying on the cross then we are all DEAD, there is no resurrection, we have no life.
In Jesus who shed his blood do all things consist, and for his shed blood God placed him above all, to have dominion over all.
He judges from the first to the last, and he does so not because he pre-existed but because God made him perfect, God rests His Spirit upon him so that he judges not through his own eyes, and because he knows what it was like to have a weak mortal body so he can sympathize with us when he judges.
The man who shed his blood is before all things, God made the world through and for the one who brings righteousness and life. God made the world through and for the BEGINNING Paul is speaking of. You are told Anthony God’s plan and that plan existed before the world was and God made everything through it. One man would bring sin and death, and another man would bring righteousness and life.
ALL things consisted in the man who would bring that life, such was the WORD of God before the world was. That WORD that was WITH God from the beginning was given to the prophets, that WORD was then fulfilled in the flesh.
Hi Anthony,
YOU:The Father and the Only Begotten Son = One God see post #845214 page 128 and post #845284 page 130. Jesus Christ laid His glory aside here on earth and pick it up again at His Ascension. but you don’t believe in any of that, that’s how I know you teach another gospel. You don’t believe He came in the flesh you believe He was here already.
ME: Scripture says the opposite,
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Anthony, Jesus is speaking above according to his words in Luke 4, do you apply Jesus’s words to Jesus’s words? Jesus said the Spirit of God was upon him, he was anointed and sent out. When we are told that the people beheld the glory of one that was filled with grace and truth, such would be the one of Isaiah’s prophecies of 11, 42, and 61, such would be Jesus who was anointed and sent out, that is WHO the people beheld the glory of, the one who had been called to righteousness filled with the Spirit and power of God. HE was the only begotten Son according to the fulfillment of God’s word given to David concerning his son being born of God’s Spirit on a certain day. Why God said when the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove God said, “THIS is my beloved Son”.
The Son and God DO NOT equate to ONE GOD, Jesus the only mortal begotten by God’s Spirit filled with grace and truth that the people beheld the glory of, had been called to follow God’s will, called to die on the cross learning obedience being perfected. YOU’RE not the ONE TRUE God when you are following someone else’s will.
JESUS returns to earth following THE ONE TRUE God’s will, instead of his own will, as he is clearly NOT the One True God. Jesus will crush all enemies and give the kingdom over to THE ONE TRUE God according to the direct words of Paul to the Corinthians.
YOU: Jesus Christ laid His glory aside here on earth and pick it up again at His Ascension
ME: This is also not of scripture Anthony but is against direct scripture.
Jesus BECAME the firstborn of the dead, that is his glory, as he was RAISED in glory, RAISED in power, raised incorruptible. You deny Paul’s words again, where he also tells you that the Jesus they watched ascend to heaven is the SAME Jesus that will descend and he will descend the same way he had ascended.
The glory that Jesus RECEIVED was according to God’s promise to David, which was God’s word before He had created heaven and earth. David’s son being MADE a firstborn and being given an eternal throne, “According to the flesh“. Not any kind of flesh, flesh and bones that was RAISED incorruptible before it began to decay, just as was promised.
Anthony a Son of Man would be made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Jesus was called to righteousness to be a covenant for the people even a light to the Gentiles.
You think that Isaiah’s prophecies and David’s prophecies had nothing to do with each other? When Jesus was given all power of God’s Spirit, he did not see himself as God, though he felt like one, he could raise the dead, turn water into wine, he MADE himself a servant and declared he could do nothing of himself, giving God the glory that was due to God. God promised that the CHRIST, the anointed would come from Abraham’s seed, God MADE the Christ of Abraham’s seed.
Anthony you seem to not want to acknowledge that YHWH did in fact create the world through a PLAN, His WORD that we read from the prophet David that God would make David’s son into His firstborn, was YHWH’s word that contained glory of a man that WORD had been WITH God before the world was.
People were witnesses to this glory when they saw with their own eyes and felt with their own hands, the resurrected Jesus, made firstborn of the dead of many brethren.
Good Morning All,
I have given this before and don’t believe that I have gotten a proper response.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Here is God’s word that was made true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Jesus in a prior life DID NOT speak the above words.
Isaiah 61, 42, or 11, have NOTHING to do with God sending down an already existing Son, and have everything to do with a Son of Man, a son of Jesse being anointed with God’s Spirit being made FULL of GRACE and TRUTH having the Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding rest upon him.
These prophecies were MADE TRUE in the FLESH of Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Jesse, exactly according to God’s WORD.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
God’s Spirit descended like a dove on Jesus, an ANOINTING of God’s Spirit, and God said “THIS is my beloved Son”. Jesus says himself in Luke 4 that he has been anointed and SENT out.
The WORD was made flesh, that WORD is the prophecy of Isaiah, God’s word, NOT some non flesh Son of God being made into a human. The anointed Jesus performing signs and miracles was the one that the people beheld the glory of. He had glory according God’s word in Isaiah, “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another”, he was full of grace and truth according to God’s word in Isaiah, “the Spirit of the LORD will rest upon him, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding”.
Seriously folks, NOT applying Isaiah’s prophecy, God’s word to John’s words is truly ridiculous, pure blindness to NOT apply it.
“the only begotten of the Father filled with grace and truth”, is Jesus BECAUSE he was begotten with God’s Spirit at the river, and thus was filled with grace and truth.
This begotten of the Father, was SENT out into the world. He was the bread from heaven, God’s word spoken by Isaiah made truth in the flesh, the offspring of Jesse being anointed. He was called to righteousness to be a covenant, God sent His only Son to die on the cross, “though he were a Son yet he learned obedience through suffering, being MADE perfect BECOMING our source for eternal salvation.
Saying the WORD made flesh is not speaking of God’s promises, His spoken word given to Isaiah, but that the WORD represents a pre-existing Jesus who was prior known as the WORD of God becoming flesh and dwelling among us is man made doctrine at it’s worst, as you change the simple truth given to you into a LIE.
The people didn’t behold the glory of a non flesh Son being morphed into a human.
The people beheld the glory of the man who had the Spirit descend upon him like a dove. Such was significant, as it was IN FACT God’s WORD spoken long ago finally made true in the flesh of Jesus. FACT, that same word had been WITH God before the world was.
Hi TC,
So you are saying I am WRONG because I believe in prophecy being fulfilled? I am wrong as I apply David and Isaiah to John, and David and Isaiah to Paul?
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Jesus’s words are heavenly they are from God, and those who believe them are heavenly, spiritually minded.
What does Jesus say,
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
What does Paul say,
Hebrews 9:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
What does David say that Paul quotes,
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
God gave a man who he VISITED of His Spirit, begetting him of His Spirit making him a Son, and he crowned that man with glory and honor, and set that man over the works of His hands.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
God’s OATH HIS WORD MADE true in the FLESH of Jesus, Jesus raised from the dead according to the flesh to sit on David’s throne.
It is coming to the point of absolute ridiculousness, these passages are given to you TC, God’s OATH, Jesus didn’t pre-exist as God’s oath, just bizarre garbage to say that Jesus is God’s word. IN the sworn OATH/WORD of God is Jesus. Jesus is IN God’s word and Jesus speaks God’s word, and Jesus fulfills God’s word. He is a man, the offspring of David who God visits with His Spirit, the LORD calls him to righteousness, holds his hand and keeps him for a covenant, that Spirit is never removed, God is IN him, and God’s oath is for him to be the firstborn of many brethren, that God will be ALL IN ALL.
I believe exactly what is written,
Jesus is IN God’s word given to us from Isaiah, Jesus is the son of Jesse who is anointed and sent out. Such is God’s word made true in the flesh of Jesus, that is a FACT.
In that WORD, Jesus is given the Spirit, an anointing to be SENT out to PREACH God’s word. Jesus goes out and preaches that gospel, God’s word again made true in the flesh of Jesus.
In that WORD, Jesus is called to righteousness, where he is to fulfill God’s will and not walk after his own will, learning obedience through suffering, being wounded for our transgressions. Jesus goes to the cross, again he is God’s word made true in the flesh.
I AM not wrong to say that God’s prophecies became TRUE in the flesh of Jesus, his anointing, his sending, his preaching, his perfecting, his dying, his resurrection, ALL of God’s OATH/an oath is your promise according to you words.
Jesus was IN God’s word before the earth was made, then Jesus became true in the flesh, his virgin birth was made true, his anointing was made true, his sacrifice was made true, his resurrection was made true, God’s word from the beginning no longer words/promises but fulfilled.
Hi Jodi
Jodi I think you know that That the Word that was with God and is God created all things. You don’t believe that Jesus Christ pre-existed you don’t believe Jesus was sent to earth from heaven I think you know that Jesus went back to heaven, you don’t believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah the Anointed One at birth. What you do believe is that Jesus Christ is just a man, and Jesus Christ at DNA from humans not God His Father’s. You believe that you think you are the only one right about things and your not. I find it hard for you to think that you are even a Christian. You are really far from the truth but think you are truth. You go on with old testament which is good but can’t see progressive revelation and what the revelation of the new testament is and what it says. May the Father draw you to His Only Begotten Son and repeat and get born again and grow up in to a full grown woman of God the Lord Jesus Christ.
God bless.
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