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YOU: Passages below tell you directly that God raises Jesus from the dead. How could Jesus raise himself from the dead he was dead.
Jodi,
What do you expect from a person like you that you look at Jesus as an ordinary human being, despite always according to you, He was anointed at the Jordan River, was given God’s spirit, and JUST TO REMIND YOU:
THE SPIRIT REMAINED ON HIM JODI.OK?
Even after His death!
Now you are in a puzzle for sure since you simply rely on your CARNAL MINDED WISDOM OF THE WORLD.
BE AWARE: Jesus resurrected by His own spirit! But let’s leave it at that for now!
Now to Jesus ‘own words:
John2:19 Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
I wonder what your perception is regarding the above statement by Jesus. Say something Jodi!
John10: 17 Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18No man taketh it away from me:
Jodi, Jesus in the above made it clear that
He is not an ORDINARY man, CAN YOU SEE IT? From the other hand, He also gave us some hidden truth, that
THE ORDINARY MAN ON EARTH, LIKE DAVID, IS NOT A MAN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS, but in Satan’s terms since Adam, the genuine MAN rejected GOD’S TERMS.
BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF.
The above is more than enough to convince you that Jesus pre-existed, simply because Jesus laid His life not on Earth precisely, but from the rebel in heaven, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.Rev.13:8! Do you know that this piece of scripture nit simply says that the incarnation occurred not just in His mother Mary, but ALSO in the entire process of the world?
It’s ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM and ALL FOR HIM.
And I have power to lay it down: and
I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN
This commandment have I received of my Father.
Another confirmation by Jesus that
He has the power to raise Himself up.
God the Father, PREPARED Jesus, “THE WORD” PRE-EXISTED while a spirit in the bosom of the Father, that NO MAN TAKES HIS LIFE AWAY. The Father gave Jesus full authority over
HIS OWN LIFE. Since HE IS
ETERNAL LIFE ITSELF as much as Satan is death itself.
The pure reason that though
HE DIED, HE LIVED! HIS LIFE REMAINED IN HIM AS A DIVINE SPIRIT IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD.
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING ESPECIALLY FOR GOD!
Jodi , you are simply ignoring the fact that Jesus IS“THE WORD” a pre-existed divine spirit and He came INTO the world to annul once and for all the corrupted satanic process of the world of
MAN,WOMAN, SEX, SIN, and DEATH! SATAN’S ASSETS of which assets Jesus simply made all futile, in every sense! Despite He was born of a woman, in all things like His brethren, He lived on earth as SON OF DAVID and DIED. Which means, that these SATANIC assets, of which David was part of and subject to, were never incorporated in any way, throughout Jesus’ human existence, from conception, what am I saying, from the beginning of the world, since the human process commenced after the rebel. Genesis 1:2
Well asserted in
John14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world: cometh: and
IN ME HE HAS NOT ANYTHING.
OK? Satan has nothing whatsoever intermingled in any way with Jesus redemption process, from the beginning of the world.
Thus the world in its entirety was made FUTILE by Jesus existence on earth. SINCE IT DIDN’T IMPEDE IN ANY WAY
HIS EARTHLY EXISTENCE, A DIVINE/HUMAN ON EARTH, and they didn’t even realize that
HE WAS A DIVINE BEING, ALL HEAVENLY.
Originally of God, while David was original of Lucifer/Satan in relation to his blood/flesh.
Well mentioned in
1Corinthians 8Which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the
LORD OF GLORY.
Consequently, Jesus purchased with His own blood the REDEMPTION of the entire human race, HE SIMPLY EXCHANGED IT WITH HIS OWN. That’s why He used His spirit, originally SLAIN LIKE A LAMB ……..Rev.13:8 to raise Himself up as much as His Father raised Him. More on this in due course! But Just to make you ponder read
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend
MY SPIRIT. And saying this, he gave up the ghost.
That was the only way for God to redeem the entire human race from the grip of Satan.
Allow me for clarity’s sake to simplify this concept of exchange from God through His only begotten son for the human race:
In 1Corinthians 6 it says
For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the
LORD OF GLORY.
Thus Satan took Jesus’ soul as a criminal to hell, but as soon as he entered hell, Jesus’ soul was transformed into the human state of Jesus,
FROM SPIRIT INTO FLESH IN THE MIDST OF HELLFIRE! Moses burning bush!
Satan was speechless LIES WERE NOT AVAILABLE, or if there were any in that particular time, they were definitely in favor of Jesus’ victory and in a way for Satan to be in a position to face his followers. Consequently, Jesus simply said to him something like:
You killed me without a cause, in exchange I want the entire human race, plus any of your followers who wish to leave you and come with me. And that was it. God is so simple!
He gave His Son’s eternal life, in exchange for the mortal life of humans. Thus all believers in Jesus, though they die they live simply because Jesus gave his eternal life for all those who believe in him. This is mentioned by Jesus to Martha in
John 11:25 Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live: 26And every one that liveth and believeth in me shall not die forever. Believest thou this? 27She saith to him: Yea, Lord, I have believed that thou art Christ, the Son of the living God, who art come
into this world.
Now reflect on this statement by Jesus in
John16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that
IN ME YOU MAY HAVE PEACE. (Why Jodi? Can you see the SPIRIT side and the TRUTH for ONCE?)
In the world you shall have distress. But have CONFIDENCE.
I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD.
Though the world exists, IT IS FUTILE regarding its carnal power, the fact that Jesus gave
HIS FLESH LIFE for it, in order to furnish humanity with HIS SPIRITUAL LIFE.
Hidden precisely intermingled in the ACTUAL process of the world. Mentioned in
1Corinthians 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among the perfect: yet
not the wisdom of this world, neither of the princes of this world that come to naught.
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, a wisdom which is hidden, which God ordained before the world,
UNTO OUR GLORY:
Jodi, HOW ON EARTH JESUS WOULD HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD IF HE WAS A SON OF DAVID, WITH VERY RESPECT TO YOU,
IN THE CARNAL MINDED WAY YOU SEE THINGS,
AN EARTHLY MAN, A SINNER, A SEX MANIAC, A MURDERER, AND A MORTAL BEING.ALL SATANIC.
Jesus would have never redeemed humanity if a speck of EARTHLY CARNAL BLOOD flew in Jesus VEINS.
John15:5 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he will take away: and every one that beareth fruit, he will purge it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Jodi, reflect on the above scripture and try to fit
JESUS AS A SON OF DAVID IN RELATION TO HIS MYSTERIOUS STATEMENT ABOVE:
MYSTERIOUS FOR THE CARNALLY MINDED!
JUST TO REMIND YOU
JESUS HAD THE SPIRIT OF GOD ON HIM AND REMAINED ON HIM, NEVERTHELESS HE STILL HAS
BRANCHES WHICH BEAR NO FRUIT!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
TC…..HIS NAME IS “CALLED” the word of God, that is not saying he “is” the word of God. Jesus is “called” the word of God because he speaks to us “God” words, GOD and his word are one and the same thing they are spirit. You can’t “seperate” GOD from his word, no more then you or I can be seperated us from our words. Remember what Jesus said he could do “nothing” of himself , the Father who is “IN” him “he” does the works. Jesus never said he was the word of God, in fact he said “the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words but t h e words of him that sent him.”
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Thank’s Gene,
Now please answer this question…
Are you claiming that only you and Jodi (of all the members on H-net) are the only two
who are going through the straight gate (according to your understanding)?“Yes” or “No”
This is the third time now I’m asking you this, please don’t dodge it again
Edj…..No, I have been here a long time , and I have seen some, a few, who have taught the same things Jodi and I teach. Who has made me your or anyone else’s Judge, here, I know what I am telling you is the truth, I also know I am still learning things as God reveals things to me, it’s a growing process . But I also know unless they or you speak according to God’s words , then you are not his, according to scriptures. Christanity today is a mass of confusions, speculations, and ect. But the spirit of truth guides us, and I reconize those who speak the truth, like Jodi does.
It would pay everyone here to go and not just read what Jodi has written and study it, it is sound and true.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Are you claiming that only you and Jodi (of all the members on H-net) are the only
two who are going through the straight gate (according to your understanding)?
“Yes” or “No”Edj…..No
See Gene,
answering y/n questions is not difficult at all
Thank you
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God bless
Ed JHIS NAME IS “CALLED” the word of God, that is not saying he “is” the word of God. Jesus is “called” the word of God because he speaks to us “God” words, GOD and his word are one and the same thing they are spirit. You can’t “seperate” GOD from his word, no more then you or I can be seperated us from our words. Remember what Jesus said he could do “nothing” of himself , the Father who is “IN” him “he” does the works.
Gene, you said:
HIS NAME IS “CALLED” the word of God, that is not saying he “is” the word of God.
Now can you explain as well these cases hereunder if they ACTUALLY are what they are CALLED?
Genesis:
1:8 And God called the firmament, Heaven;
1:10 And God called the dry land, Earth; the gathering together of the waters, he called Seas.
1Chronically 7 And David dwelt in the castle, and therefore it was called the city of David,
Acts 10:18 they asked if Simon, who is called Peter, were lodged there.
Acts 28:1then we knew that the island was called Melita.
John 19:17 to the place which is called Calvary, which in Aramaic it is called Golgotha.
Rev, 16:16 a place which in Hebrew is called Armagedon.
Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread, which is called the pasch.
Matthew 1:16 of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
That will do I suppose, otherwise, I will never end.
If they really are what they are called,
What’s wrong with Jesus being the ACTUAL WORD OF GOD,
IF HE IS CALLED :
“THE WORD” of God
Then you said:
GOD and his word are one and the same thing they are spirit.
The Father and Jesus are one ,
and the same thing they are, whether they are spirit and/or flesh!
John17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine:
The Father is God and Jesus is also God, Jesus is Man, and the Father is also Man!
You : You can’t “seperate” GOD from his word,
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be,
which shall go forth from my mouth:
it shall not return to me void,
but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things
for which I sent it.
God is never separated from Jesus, even when Jesus came down from heaven:
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but
he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven
You: Remember what Jesus said he could do “nothing” of himself, the Father who is “IN” him “he” does the works.
in fact he said “the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words but t h e words of him that sent him.
You: Remember what Jesus said he could do “nothing” of himself!
Are the above Jesus’ words or the Father’s?
You:HIS NAME IS “CALLED” the word of God, that is not saying he “is” the word of God. Jesus is “called” the word of God because he speaks to us “God” words, GOD and his word are one and the same thing they are spirit. You can’t “seperate” GOD from his word, no more then you or I can be seperated us from our words. Remember what Jesus said he could do “nothing” of himself , the Father who is “IN” him “he” does the works.
Gene AREN’T THE ABOVE your words.
no more then you or I can be seperated us from our words.
How they happen to be in my country, over the internet, on my laptop, and in the same time they didn’t separate from you.?
That’s why Jesus is “THE WORD” OF GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
CARMEL…..they call a airplane a bird, a ship a she, tell me is a airplane “really” a bird, no, it has a tate that does what a bird does “it flies in the air”. Jesus “himself” is not the word of God. He speaks God’s words to us.
The real question is, why don’t you believe what Jesus said?, “the words I am telling you are “not” my words, but the words of him that sent me.”. Now if his words he was telling us were “not” his words, then please tell us how could Jesus “himself” be the word.
Fact is Jesus himself is not the word of God, but speaks “God’s words” to us, and when he does that it is the same as if God were saying it, why? because it “is” God’s words, not his, therefore he can tell us, then those who see me, see God who was “in” him , how? , because they are hearing him speak GOD the Fathers “words” , so it would is the same as if God himself was saying them. God the Father is a spirit and can indwell flesh of anyone, by his anointing spirit, He was in Jesus speaking direct through him to us, God the Father and his words are the same , just as you and your word are you one and the same.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Edj…..using yes and no for answers is ok, if done properly to clarify some thing that needs clarification, but if use to intrap by leaving out other things that must be considered to clarify, it is of the devil.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi TC,
YOU:
Duet 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one YHWH
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/deuteronomy/6-4.htm
The correct translation in Duet 6:4 is YHWH and not LORDME: YES LORD equates to YHWH, that is the hallowed name of our Heavenly Father and He is ONE person whose will is to be accomplished and that will is for Him to be all in all.
Jesus, the Son of David, made a Son of God ACCORDING to being begotten of the Holy Spirit, comes in the name of YHWH.
Mathew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Mark 11:9 And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord: 10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
Luke 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Separate wills equates to two separate individuals. When one denies their own will and follows the will of someone else they are as ONE, as they are doing the will of ONE.
Luke 11:2 And he said unto them,When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him,Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said,Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Jesus comes in the name of YHWH, our One True God. Jesus is ONE with YHWH because he denies his own will and follows the will of YHWH. Jesus follows YHWH’s will because YHWH has placed His Spirit upon him, he is a SERVANT of YHWH SENT out into the world having been anointed to fulfill YHWH’s will, such is WHY Jesus is said to come in YHWH’s name, he preaches YHWH’s word and he sets captives free according to YHWH’s will.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
ALL that Jesus did was according to the Father’s will, Jesus was YHWH’s messenger, YHWH’s prophet, YHWH’s Son having been born of God’s Spirit chosen to fulfill YHWH’s Gospel, fulfill His plan that YHWH had before the world was. A son of David made into YHWH’s Son to be a savior to Israel and even a light to the Gentiles.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
YOU: The Father and son comprise one person, not two. The soul (humanity) of the Messiah is in the spirit of God, that spirit being the Messiah. It is of the seven spirits of the one spirit. That one spirit is in the mind of God (Eph 4:23) and that mind of God is in the spirit (Romans 8:27). Christ is that spirit (2 Cor 3:17).
ME: TC, you have a problem, you don’t apply clear messages given in scripture, instead you ignore them and then turn to your own reasoning creating vanity, pure emptiness.
The Father and Son have different wills, which makes your words TC directly against scripture. Jesus denies his will to follow YHWH’s will, they are TWO separate individuals, as they have separate wills but are united as ONE because Jesus follows not his own will. The Son has his own name and the Father has his own name YHWH.
Jesus is the Son of Man who has God’s Spirit rest upon him. John 14 speaks directly against you TC, the Holy Spirit is YHWH’s Spirit that He GIVES, He gave it to Jesus in full measure and He gave it to Christ’s followers so that they could be apostles, prophets, healers, etc.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
TC STOP using your own reasoning, stop denying Paul’s words, apply Paul’s words to Paul’s words. The Lord in that passage is YHWH our Heavenly Father, not Jesus.
2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
TC what does Paul teach you below in Romans 8,
We are joint heirs with Christ (The Anointed), he received of YHWH’s Spirit becoming an heir of God and we receive that same Spirit also becoming an heir of God JOINT heirs with Christ.
We are to be made in the image of YHWH’s Son, as he is a Son ACCORDING to the Holy Spirit by the resurrection from the dead, we too are to be Sons ACCORDING to that SAME Spirit Jesus RECEIVED, in order that Jesus would be the firstBORN of many brethren, and we shall be given all things, be JOINT-HEIRS.
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Jesus RECEIVED a PROMISE from YHWH, that promise is also ours to RECEIVE.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:…51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
To summarize my last post and add a bit,
TC said: The Father and son comprise one person, not two. The soul (humanity) of the Messiah is in the spirit of God, that spirit being the Messiah. It is of the seven spirits of the one spirit. That one spirit is in the mind of God (Eph 4:23) and that mind of God is in the spirit (Romans 8:27). Christ is that spirit (2 Cor 3:17).
ME: The Father and the Son are two individuals this is OBVIOUS as they both have their own will and they each have their own name, the Father’s name is YHWH, the Son’s is Jesus. Also I will add that Jesus is a Son of Man who RECEIVED all things from the Father. Jesus is ONE will YHWH as he follows not his own will but that of YHWH’s, he does this because God’s Spirit came to rest upon him, where he was called to righteousness.
Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit and clearly shows that Spirit is not him (John 14:26), likewise many other passages speak of him receiving that Spirit. Jesus died and when he was raised from the dead he received the promise of the Holy Spirit, of which we are likewise promised to receive when we are raised from the dead, as we are heirs of YHWH, JOINT-HEIRS with Christ, where we are to be made a Son of God, in the same image of Jesus, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren.
2 Corinthians 3:17, the Lord in that passage is speaking of our Heavenly Father YHWH.
Ephesians 4:22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
Jesus, the offspring of Jesse, has God’s Spirit rest upon him in full measure, it is a calling to righteousness, we too through God’s Spirit resting upon us in measure can deny the flesh and walk instead after YHWH’s Spirit. Because it is in measure that we receive of God’s Spirit, it is not a work of perfection in our mortal bodies, but we have confidence knowing that our sins if we repent of them and loath the deeds of our body, that we will be made perfect like Jesus, no longer able to sin.
TC said: that mind of God is in the spirit (Romans 8:27)
ME: TC makes no sense, this is what is written looking at the surrounding text, keep in mind what Jesus said, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
Romans 8: 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. 28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Jesus was likewise CALLED into righteousness by the SAME Spirit. He did not turn into that Spirit, that Spirit was in him and made him perfect, he then died and when he was raised from the dead he RECEIVED the promise of that Spirit. We are promised to receive that same Spirit and be made perfect like Jesus was made perfect, and be given eternal life from that Spirit as Jesus received it.
YHWH is the Holy Spirit, and He created humans able to receive of His Spirit, His plan from the beginning was to become all IN ALL. Jesus is the firstborn of such.
Hi Folks,
I really just don’t get how people just ignore the obvious that is written and don’t apply it to certain passages where it is obvious that it is intended to be applied to.
The WORD of God from the beginning “eternal life” CONTAINED the Son of Man who God would anoint calling to righteousness, to be made perfect in order to BECOME our source for eternal life.
God’s WORD before time began was eternal life, that specific WORD of God CONTAINED “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus” such is why the full verse says, 23 “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.
Hi Folks,
I really just don’t get how people just ignore the obvious that is written and don’t apply it to certain passages where it is obvious that it is intended to be applied to.
God’s word given to Isaiah as a prophecy, His word that had been with Him even before the world was,
Isaiah 61:: 1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, 2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,
God’s word fulfilled in the FLESH of Jesus,
Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,because he has anointed meto proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisonersand recovery of sight for the blind,to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
FACT: This was all God’s plan from the beginning it was HELD IN God’s word being WITH Him until it would be fulfilled according to His will. When the Spirit of God descended like a dove that word that had been WITH God before the world was, that had been given to Isaiah, BECAME TRUE in the FLESH of Jesus of Nazareth.
Here is another example,
God’s word before the world was, of which CONTAINED the Son of Man being given the Spirit of Knowledge to enable him to justify many, dying on the cross for our sins, given as prophecy to Isaiah,
Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD—
Isaiah 53:11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied ; by his KNOWLEDGE my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,and he will divide the spoils with the strong, BECAUSE he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
God’s word written as fulfilled in the FLESH of Jesus,
Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. 39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.
1 Peter 2:24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
Hi TC
YOU:
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him (me: the Father) that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Both the mind of God and the spirit of God are one person, God.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
ME: The mind of God, the Spirit of God? I don’t follow what you say at all.
God, our Heavenly Father whose Holy name is YHWH, is TRUTH, is Wisdom, is LIFE and He is able to GIVE creatures that He creates of His TRUTH, of His Wisdom, and He most certainly gives them the breath of Life. God and His Spirit are ONE, and we are all made to drink of that ONE Spirit, Jesus drank from it to the point it brought him to be a perfect man, to the point he was deserving of eternal life, we are joint heirs with him drinking of that same Spirit.
YHWH’s Spirit causes us to walk in His ways, causes us to follow His will, thus making us ONE with YHWH, walking on the same path, united by the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
DOES Isaiah 11 and 1 Corinthians 12 give you understanding TC?
Jesus RECEIVED the Spirit of YHWH, other humans ALSO receive of that Spirit. He received it in full measure (such is why the mortal Son of Man is called God’s only begotten Son FILLED WITH grace and TRUTH) others receive the Spirit in measure, it is divided unto them as Paul tells the Corinthians. All our joined together by that One Spirit made one body.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Spirit OF The Anointed IS God’s Spirit in the man Jesus.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath anointed me.
The Spirit OF Christ (the anointed) is God’s Spirit in Jesus, such is WHY Paul says, “be that the Spirit of God dwell in you”, for it dwells IN YOU as it dwells in Jesus.
The Spirit of God rested upon Jesus which made him The Anointed, anointed WITH God’s Spirit, in full measure, receiving not just wisdom, not just understanding, not just council and might, not just knowledge and fear of the LORD, not just able to heal, not just able to perform signs, not just able to give prophecy, he was GIVEN ALL the fruits of YHWH’s Spirit, as he was the ONLY MORTAL MAN born of YHWH’s Spirit being made FULL of grace and truth.
The Son of Man, the offspring of Jesse, born of God’s Spirit sent out into the world to speak God’s words.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach..
The Son of God that was SENT out into the world was the offspring of Jesse who was BORN of God’s Spirit without measure. He was anointed, he was CALLED to righteousness where YHWH would PERFECT him, why Jesus is said to be the Son of God according to being a perfect man, why Jesus is said to be the Son of God according to the Holy Spirit by his resurrection from the dead.
JESUS was raised from the dead because he was perfected, his perfection is declared by his obedience to God unto his death, he was obedient because God’s Spirit of Knowledge and fear of the LORD rested upon him, where he gave into not his own human will, but had all faith to follow God’s will.
CARMEL…..they call a airplane a bird, a ship a she, tell me is a airplane “really” a bird, no, it has a tate that does what a bird does “it flies in the air”. Jesus “himself” is not the word of God. He speaks God’s words to us.
Gene,
You simply mentioned only two and both have nothing to do with the list I posted from scripture. Unless you use scripture to contradict me with
MINE STAND.
Consequently I take it as you simply have no answer to my post at all SINCE you ignored it entirely and never answered any part specifically!
It is evidently clear that you are desperate, and simply posted and said things which only served NOT to justify the TRUTH, as you proudly claim, but to serve yourself and your corrupted argument. Now hereunder is what I posted again and if you want to be justified in TRUTH.
As I said above, scripture against scripture, use examples from scripture. Find parallel statements to what I posted and which contradict what I posted.
It’s all yours read again, search for
TRUTH and ANSWER!
You: HIS NAME IS “CALLED” the word of God, that is not saying he “is” the word of God.
Now can you explain as well these cases hereunder if they ACTUALLY are what they are CALLED?
Genesis:
1:8 And God called the firmament, Heaven;
1:10 And God called the dry land, Earth; the gathering together of the waters, he called Seas.
1Chronically 7 And David dwelt in the castle, and therefore it was called the city of David,
Acts 10:18 they asked if Simon, who is called Peter, were lodged there.
Acts 28:1then we knew that the island was called Melita.
John 19:17 to the place which is called Calvary, which in Aramaic it is called Golgotha.
Rev, 16:16 a place which in Hebrew is called Armagedon.
Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread, which is called the pasch.
Matthew 1:16 of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
That will do I suppose, otherwise, I will never end.
If in the above scriptures all are called by what they actually are,
Now since presumably, you didn’t see my question, here it is again but bigger!
What’s wrong with Jesus being
THE ACTUAL WORD OF GOD, IF HE IS CALLED :
“THE WORD” of God
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
why Jesus is said to be the Son of God according to the Holy Spirit by his resurrection from the dead.
Jody,
Can you produce scripture to substantiate the above, please?
You: JESUS was raised from the dead because he was perfected,
Jody,
Again Can you produce scripture to substantiate the above, please?
Peace and love in Jesus christ
Hi All
Why we don’t agree!
Rev. 12: 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
God bless
Carmel….. GOD THE FATHER AND HIS WORDS ARE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON. Jesus had his own will seperate of God’s will, Jesus plainly “said” the “words” I am telling you are “not” my words. So please tell us how is Jesus himself, “is” the word when he denies the words were his? Don’t you think you should clearify that first?
John 14:10, John 12:48-49-50.
John 14:10 …..believes you not that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? the “words” I speak unto you I speak “not” of “myself” ; but the Father that “dwells” “in” me, “he” does the works.
Carmel, don’t deny or move on , just let that sink into you for a moment. Now if Jesus “himself” was the actual “word”, why would he say that? God via the holy spirit was “in” the”man” Jesus and gave to “the man” Jesus the words he wanted him to speak. When Jesus said he did not speak of “himself”. That “clearly” say he was not the source of those words he was telling us. So he couldn’t “actually” be the word, but he could be called the word if God the Father sent him and told he what to say, he is speaking God the Fathers words to us, God the Father and his words are one and the same thing, just x as you and your words are, unless you were quoting someone else, as alL the prophets and that includes Jesus were. Jesus is a “man” who is a “mediator” between God and man, Moses was also a mediator between God and people, and Moses spoke God the Fathers words to them also.
Your whole concept of who Jesus is according to the “actual” scriptures is wrong, the best thing you can do is trash all the “mystery religion” you have been taught and start over. GO AND READ WHAT JODI, HAS WRITTEN , She has went to great links to ‘clearly’ explain in detail most all the scriptures that explain who the “real” Jesus is. IMO.
I know it’s hard to believe you have been decieved for so long, but you can always repent and change withthe help of God.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Edj…..
using yes and no for answers is ok, if done properly to clarify
some thing that needs clarification, but if use to intrap by leaving
out other things that must be considered to clarify, it is of the devil.Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
I agree.
So take this as a learning experience, and
no longer be afraid to answer my questions 🙂____________
God bless
Ed J
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