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t8,
Yes let’s be honest here, let’s dive into identifying what exactly is made clear.
Acts 3: 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.
Luke 2:10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.
t8,
Prophecy was given about a savior long before Jesus was born. Can we at least agree on that?
According to the angel, the savior that is born that day, is called a savior as it directly relates to the prophecies given about a savior. Can we agree on that?
The angel in verse 10 is speaking of the covenant God made with Abraham. Can we agree on that?
t8,
Get it straight so that you can actually speak with truth.
Teaching the exact opposite would be to say “today a savior was NOT born”. I don’t say that, I say that “a savior was born that day”, and I say a SPECIFIC savior was born that day, the savior spoken by the prophets.
That’s not the “exact opposite” NOW IS IT?
How is it that a savior WAS BORN that DAY? Because the infant was going to in the FUTURE be MADE perfect and BECOME our source for eternal life through dying on the cross for our sins.
We are saved by that death, and the one who died as our savior is Christ the lord.
To All,
Prophecies ARE GIVEN of a savior and then accounts are given of those prophecies being fulfilled.
TEST yourself, reflect, are you ignoring these prophecies?
Here is one,
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
And here is the account of that prophecy being fulfilled,
Matthew 27:26 Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified…30 They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again 31 After they had mocked him, they took off the robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him away to crucify him.
What do we see written in between the prophecy of a savior and the fulfillment of being saved?
We are given the account of the birth OF THAT savior. The infant Jesus when he was born was THAT savior. The angel DECLARED the child born that day was THAT SAVIOR.
To ALL,
Prophecies are given of a man who is to be anointed, and then we are given the account of the fulfillment of that anointing.
TEST yourself, reflect, are you ignoring these prophecies?
example,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD…
The fulfillment of that prophecy,
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. .
What do we see written in between the prophecy of The Anointed One and the declared fulfillment of that anointing?
We are given the account of the birth OF THAT Anointed One. The infant would grow up and have the Spirit of God placed upon him becoming THAT Anointed One. The day the infant was born an angel declared him to be our savior, and that savior was THAT Anointed One.
Jodi,
I am going to put my responses to your foolishness on “The Creations of Genesis 1 and John 1 Revised”.
T8…..what you call honest is to the exclusion of tons of other texts, you hunt and pick certain scriptures that forward you false concepts, to the destruction of all the other scriptures that show what you are saying and others here is not true. While me or Jodi never said Jesus was not anointed, in fact we give scriptures t h shows he was truly anointed.
Your hunt and peck religion is why you don’t understand the truth of the Gospel.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
How do you deal with these passages,
Acts 13:23 Of this MAN’S SEED hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Jesus is a savior according to a promise, according to being of a human’s SEED, such is what I believe,
Jodi, I wish tremendously for your own SPIRITUAL maturity, and to discern Jesus’ SPIRITUAL MESSAGE, hence the most fundamental for Gods’ kingdom to be revealed on earth, THAT YOU CONCENTRATE ON THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF SCRIPTURE, destroy your CARNAL MINDED MANIA, and concentrate throughout on your spiritual mind of which Jesus gave His own life to establish it in humans. Throughout your posts you simply are, PERMIT ME TO SAY, WITH EVERY RESPECT TO YOU, within a particular phobia regarding the HUMAN SIDE OF JESUS as SON OF DAVID, OR DAVID’S SEED, ABRAHAM SEED, AND GOD KNOWS WHAT IN YOUR CONFUSION, and you are trying with all your useless efforts to convince others, as you said yourself, the MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS, that Jesus is a MERE man, and nothing in his blood, was/is intermingled in any way with God, before the dove rested on Jesus. Despite
Jesus’ SEED was/is MORE of God than of DAVID as you will see hereunder.
Now read this piece of scripture, and reflect deeply before you get to my point.
Romans 8:5For they that are according to the flesh mind the things that are of the flesh: but they that are according to the spirit mind the things that are of the spirit.
6 FOR THE WISDOM OF THE FLESH IS DEATH
BUT THE WISDOM OF THE SPIRIT IS LIFE AND PEACE.
7Because the wisdom of the flesh is an ENEMY to God. For it is not subject to the law of God: neither can it be. 8And they who are in the flesh cannot PLEASE God.
Now to my point!
Scripture is THE WORD OF GOD, and God is SPIRIT, and as Jesus declared with certainty, we must adore God in SPIRIT and TRUTH, in whatever we do, say, think and so on.
Thus, scripture is a SPIRITUAL revelation from God to humans. Consequently when we read GOD’S OWN SPEECHES, and ADDRESSES to humans in scriptures, like in our case in the word
“SEED” we must first and foremost discern if possible the SPIRITUAL message since the spirit is interested ONLY in the SPIRITUAL things of God. Well clear hereunder:
For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God, no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God. 12Now, we have received not the spirit of this world,( of which I am not that convinced about you, with respect to your interpretation of the bible) but the Spirit that is of God: that we may know
THE THINGS that are given us from God.( SOMETHING WHICH YOU LACK, RELATED TO THE DIVINITY OF JESUS, WITH EVERY RESPECT TO YOU!)
13Which things also WE SPEAK: not in the learned words of HUMAN WISDOM, but in the doctrine of the Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.14But the SENSUAL man perceiveth not THESE THINGS that are of the Spirit of God. For it is FOOLISHNESS to him: and he cannot UNDERSTAND, because it is spiritually EXAMINED.
Now to the word SEED of which you, in particular, are MAD about!
God said in the Bible some things that are very profound about SEEDS and if you can understand them, you will gain vast amounts of spiritual knowledge and understanding of how almost everything in scripture works. I know that sounds like a very broad statement but, you obviously do not know very much about SEEDS BY THE LOOK OF IT, at least right now or you would have to agree with me.
Seeds, like tons of other words in the Bible, represent concepts that apply both tothe natural realm and the spiritual realm simultaneously.
There are multiple things in the Bible called “SEEDS” and this is one of the complexities found while studying the Bible. God calls multiple things by the same name and we are required to figure out which one He is talking about to correctly understand each verse. While the overall concepts behind each occurrence of the word can overlap, they are certainly not the same entity.
You definitely know what is natural grass seeds, and natural fruit seeds, but when it comes to
THE SEED OF MAN, His Sperm OF WHICH YOU ARE MAD ABOUT, I’m afraid you are well OFF TARGET in relation to “THE WORD” WHICH IS
THE SEED OF GOD, the fact that’s ALL IN HIM/ALL BY HIM, Even Jesus asserted this when He said UNLESS THE SEED DIES, IT REMAINS BY ITSELF…..Consequently, it could never occur to you that the word SEED is ALSO a reference to AN INFINITESIMAL SPECK OF
“THE WORD” Jesus, IN OUR BLOOD, as the life source, the fact that scripture is clear and says:
THE LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD, and Jesus in the last supper confirmed that THE HUMAN BLOOD while holding the wine, IS HIS, obvious through His redemption, where before it was SATANIC. through sin. Though “THE WORD” Jesus was slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world.Rev.13:8 Now to the first HUMAN SEED in scripture ironically attributed to the woman! Got it Jodi, WOMAN in scripture has SEED. We are discussing and reading scripture NO?
Genesis 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed:
In the above, the woman has SEED, I BET you know what kind of SEED was within Eve’s, DO YOU? Also, God used the word PUT. WITHOUT A DOUBT, Eve’s seed was “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, AND GOD PUT HIMSELF THAT SEED. SIMPLY SO “THE WORD” would be made FLESH, ALL BY HIMSELF, NOT BY EVE, SINCE ALL BY HIM. no? And where did Eve’s seed came from? Obvious from Adam manifested in the rib! So God PUT “THE WORD” as the firstborn of every creature, was the firstborn as MAN in Adam, and then the firstborn as WOMAN in Eve, and from then on “THE WORD” Jesus TO BE, The Son of Man TO BE, as a spirit as much as IN THESE TWO PARTICULAR CASES and as explained hereunder till David was born, moved and EMBODIED HIMSELF in the respective FIRSTS, Thus:
HE became the firstborn as Son of Man in CAIN, the firstborn as the man who never tasted death in ENOCH, the firstborn as THE BEGINNING, in the father after the flood NOAH, the firstborn as the patriarch of the Jews in ABRAHAM, the firstborn as the son of Rachel in JOSEPH, the firstborn as the forerunner of Jesus, and lawgiver for the Jews as MOSES, and now we come to the firstborn who united Israel as King of the Jews, in DAVID. So “THE WORD” Jesus to be, the Son of man to be, to be clear JESUS’ FLESH BODY ONLY, as a spirit, not Jesus as a human/divine being, in spirit, soul, and flesh, was embodied in ALL the above FIRSTS. Consequently
The SEED of David, in actual fact, WAS NOT JUST THE SPERM of David ONLY as you ARE so convinced of, NOT just the CARNAL seed but also
THE SPIRITUAL SEED OF GOD, who happened to be
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, simply embodied Himself in David, in order to be born
OF HIMSELF JODI, AFTER ALL.NOT OF DAVID ONLY! FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING,
EVEN IF IT SATANIC,
WHEN IT COMES TO GOD. Obvious,what do you expect since
ALL IN HIM……ALL BY HIM…… Sothe SPERM of DAVID, was satanic, BUT THE SPIRITUAL SEED OF DAVID WAS OF GOD! light shines in darkness!
Now Jodi, if you are not yet convinced about this, hereunder comes Acts:13:22 -23
22 And when he had removed him, he raised them up David to be king: to whom giving testimony, he said: I have found David, the son of Jesse, a man
ACCORDING TO MY OWN HEART
, who shall do ALL MY WILLS.
23 Of this MAN’S SEED God,
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISE,
hath raised up to Israel a Saviour Jesus:
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL: God’s credentials are all mentioned in the above declaration by God, and are all references to “THE WORD” Jesus: Just to remind you, read
Isaiah55:11 So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall DO WHATSOEVER I PLEASE, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
ACCORDING TO GOD’S OWN HEART!
Who else IS ACCORDING TO GOD’S OWN HEART IN EVERY SENSE, if not “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man? Who in fact was
GOD’S OWN HEART WHEN HE WALKED ON EARTH AS A SON OF DAVID
in a particular way,
and most vital as the only FLESH embodiment of God FROM CONCEPTION, whether you believe it or not it’s your problem.
WHO DID ALL GOD’S WILLS? No doubt a clear reference to “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man. Read.
John17:4 I have glorified thee on THE EARTH;
I HAVE FINISHED THE WORK WHICH YOU GAVE ME TO DO.
THIS MAN’S SEED definitely A DIRECT REFERENCE TO “THE WORD” as well, right from Adam’s THE FIRST MAN. Well asserted in
Rev. 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
The only carrier of God’s SOUL, THE HOLY GHOST, and THE FATHER WITHIN. The fullness of the deity in FLESH on earth.
You produce scripture Jodi and it contradicts you! Read the scripture which you YOURSELF posted:
42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect,
IN WHOM MY SOUL DELIGHTETH;
Now spiritually speaking, WE ALL know that the SOUL abides in the HEART as much as in the MIND,
Now the only SOUL which God has is THE HOLY GHOST, and God’s SOUL abided in the HEART, as much as in the MIND of “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, the carrier of God on earth, after He came out through the woman Mary. The fact that scripture is clear in
1Corinthians 3 But I would have you know that the head (THE SOUL) of EVERY man is Christ:( FROM ADAM) and the head (THE SOUL) of the (PARTICULAR) WOMAN( EVE, and MARY) is the man (“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man) and the head( SOUL) of Christ is God.( IN THE HOLY GHOST) The fact that Christ( GOD) is the HEAD of the body, THE CHURCH.( THE BRIDE TO BE, THE PHYSICAL KINGDOM OF GOD)
John12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL THINGS to myself.
Now reflect Jodi on the above verse: When Jesus died on the cross,
ALL THINGS, ALL PROCESSES, related to the physical EMBODIMENT BECAME JESUS’ Depicted in
John 17: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh,…..thus
In relation to the human HEART, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man TO BE, as an infinitesimal speck was in the entire process of creation since ALL IN/BY HIM, precisely engrafted in all HEARTS, as the life source and eternal life of all.
Now through sin, precisely through Eve’s HEART, Satan owned the human heart, and EVE’S SEED as mentioned above “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit, though slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world, WAS IN ALL THE HEARTS OF EVE’S CHILDREN,
HER SEED. all in “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
.especially embodied
IN DAVID’S HEART. Now God was clear and said: I have found David, the son of Jesse,
A MAN ACCORDING TO MY OWN HEART! CONSEQUENTLY, I REPEAT:
DAVID’S SEED IS NOT a reference to the CARNAL SEED, DEFINITELY NOT
ABRAHAM ‘S SEED IS NOT a reference to the CARNAL SEED, DEFINITELY NOT,
OR AS YOU SAID THE SPERMA of DAVID, ONLY THE HUMAN SIDE AS YOU ARE MAD ABOUT, BUT IN ACTUAL FACT DAVID AND ABRAHAM SEED IS PRECISELY
GOD’S OWN SEED, “THE WORD” ITSELF, JESUS TO BE, THE SON OF MAN TO BE
AS A SPIRIT!
IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE Jodi,
THE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, ESPECIALLY TO GOD!
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
T8…..what you call honest is to the exclusion of tons of other texts,
I see. This text is wrong compared to other texts is what you are saying. Whereas, I can quote dozens of scriptures related to the topic and there is no conflict. Where contradiction lies, there is error.
Hi t8,
Jesus is a man, he is a Son of Man, he is called a human. Scripture states so just about 100 times.
According to Jesus he was anointed with God’s Spirit and sent to preach God’s word, not his own word. That anointing didn’t make him no longer a human, it made him the offspring of Jesse having God’s Spirit rest upon him just like Isaiah prophesied. Even further proof is that after his anointing he was still called a human, after he rose from the dead he was still called a human.
We are told that Jesus is the Son of God as a perfect human, and also that he is the Son of David, a Son of God according to the power of the Holy Spirit.
When you say he is a human but also something else that is a contradiction. A human is a human period. God made creatures each after their own kind, that is a law of nature God established, it is HIS TRUTH He has given for the very purpose of keeping straight who Jesus is, and is not. Paul directly confirms this truth in 1 Corinthians 15.
God promised before time began eternal life to humans, and Jesus is the firstborn into that eternal life, why he is said to be the firstborn of the dead, the firstborn of many brethren. You read passages and contradict this truth, you apply passages that are speaking of Jesus the Son of Man anointed with God’s Spirit as Isaiah prophesied and Jesus said himself, and say certain passages are not speaking of him as a Son of Man, you say they are speaking of him before he was even born. All the while doing this as if God is not all knowing, as if He didn’t establish the end before the beginning, giving His word of that end of which contained the resurrected offspring of David crowned with glory, given the mercies of David.
You are told directly by Paul that a Son of Man was made a Son of God ACCORDING to the Holy Spirit.
In Acts we read the prophecy given to David concerning his offspring fulfilled.
‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’
Jesus is a man, he is a Son of Man, he is called a human. Scripture states so just about 100 times.
We already know that Jodi. He emptied himself and came in the flesh. Back to the drawing board.
t8,
You just did exactly what I said. You changed the person who the scripture is talking about, the anointed offspring of Jesse. You don’t even comprehend the message of the chapter.
Let this mind be in you that was also in the Christ. How can we be like minded with him if he is not a Son of Man like us? Is Paul not talking to those who were receiving gifts of the Spirit? Those apostles, prophets etc needed to be a servant like Jesus was, use their powers given to them of the Spirit to serve God alone, having the same mind that Jesus The Anointed has.
For the 100th time, no one here is denying Jesus was a man. Try to remember that.
We believe he came in the flesh, that means he partook of human nature meaning he became a man, the final Adam to be precise.
Where we differ is his origins. But you guys in your desperate attempts to shut down scriptures be quote verbatim will resort to this idea that he is a man. So what. We already believe that.
t8,
You are not responding to what I have called out as a serious difference here. Could you please respond accordingly.
Your definition of Jesus as a man is different from that of mine, so in actuality we DO NOT AGREE at all. So when you say “no one here is denying Jesus was a man”, from my understanding of scripture as defining Jesus as a man, you most certainly do deny him as an actual man. Let me also point out that you said WAS a man, he after being raised from the dead is said still to be a man, so the truth is he was and is a man.
Jesus, to my understanding from scripture, is that he as a MAN is a Son of Man according to being a son of David, a son of Jesse, a son of Abraham to be exact. Not just any son of theirs but a son God established a covenant to all people through. A Son of Man who God, according to scripture, makes into His own Son by begetting him with His Spirit.
You say however that a Son of God becomes a son of man, not only is that in total reverse from what God says to David, but it breaks the very laws of God’s own creation. A Son of Man comes from a human father, and the Son of God comes from God making a Son of Man perfect according to the Holy Spirit.
He came from God, then came to us.
You say he never existed in any form.
But I don’t hold my view because I think it is a good idea, but because God sent his son into the world.
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!“
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
All you offer us Jodi is to go through each scripture point by point and say it doesn’t mean what it says. Then you take other scriptures and pit them against these scriptures as if to nullify them or discredit them. A person who loves God and truth can easily see these sort of deceptive tactics.
Good Morning t8,
As far as I can tell these passages contradict your belief.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him,he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom alsohe gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Giving me John 8 and other passages is NOT responding to these specific passages. All those passages you just gave I can understand them and keep the above as true. I understand the passages you gave correctly by KEEPING true what is said in the passages I just gave.
Hi t8,
Do we agree or not?
Prophecy was given about a savior long before Jesus was born. Can we at least agree on that?
According to the angel, the savior that is born that day, is called a savior as it directly relates to the prophecies given about a savior. Can we agree on that?
The angel in verse 10 is speaking of the covenant God made with Abraham. Can we agree on that?
T8……That is exactly what you are doing, your REALLY A WITNESS AGAINST YOURSELF. You even don’t understand what the word before means , in context of some scriptures . Not understanding it can and does in some scriptural context mean “first in importance” and has nothing to do with “time of berth” as you false apply it. You certanily do deny JESUS as a pure human being, your Jesus YOU PROTRAY is a prexisting being, of who or what kind , you are unable to produce any scripture showing any activity of.
You certainly do deny Jesus’ words saying he was of or from the root and offspring of king David, which is what JESUS SAID about his past, he never said he existed as a living being before ABRAHAM, THAT IS WHY YOU ADD THE WORD “ALIVE” in that scripture you use.
We do not “force” our text to say what in fact they do not say or imply, as you false teachers do. What I notice , you like the rest do not deal with, all the scriptures we post, Jodi has systematically went through all scriptures concerning who JESUS really is, So why don’t you show us where her or I was wrong in the “clearly written” scriptures we use to prove who Jesus Really was and is.
You say you believe Jesus was a man but deny his roots and offspring was from mankind, so you do deny he is and was always a son of man, you deny his comming forth into his “only” existence, as we all do, by a human birth process .
You teach as all false Christanity teachers teach a “Doctrine of Seperation”, your Jesus is not a “perfected” human being, who came into his “only” existence as a human being “exactly as we did”, but a already perfect deity, Angel, or God of somekind, “morphed” into a human body.
By that you are unable to truly connect yourself with JESUS, BECAUSE YOUR JESUS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN YOU ARE, SO IT’S IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO TRULY “RELATE” WITH HIM ON A HUMAN LEVEL. YOU ARE UNABLE TO SEE JESUS AS A “PERFECTED” human being, perfect by GOD the Father himself , just as we are to be perfected by that Same GOD, The “ONE” and “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD. T8, JESUS “IS” AND “ALWAYS” WILL BE, A SON OF MAN, HE IS ALSO A SON OF GOD “EXACTLY” THE WAY WE ARE. Through the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Carmel,
I have a much longer version to this post but I am going to keep it as simple this time around as possible.
You gave passages from Romans 8,
Romans 8:5 For they that are according to the flesh mind the things that are of the flesh: but they that are according to the spirit mind the things that are of the spirit.
6 FOR THE WISDOM OF THE FLESH IS DEATH
BUT THE WISDOM OF THE SPIRIT IS LIFE AND PEACE.
7Because the wisdom of the flesh is an ENEMY to God. For it is not subject to the law of God: neither can it be.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was on him.
The child Jesus had God’s grace upon him, he was growing and learning being filled with God’s Wisdom.
When he grows to become a man he is anointed with God’s Spirit. Isaiah 11, 42, and 61 all speak of that anointing and it is said to be a calling of righteousness where God will hold his hand and keep him for a covenant, even a light to the Gentiles. These prophecies speak of an offspring of Jesse who God rests His Spirit upon, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Council and Might, and Fear of the LORD.
Jesus as a child receives wisdom from God and when he becomes a man he receives the Spirit of Wisdom, he is anointed to be sent out preaching God’s words. Jesus is said to be able to speak God’s words because he received the Spirit without measure.
God was holding Jesus’s hand keeping him from minding the flesh, walking after the flesh. He did that because God CALLED him to righteousness having him receive God’s Spirit without measure. Jesus had asked God to “take this cup” from him, but he said NOT as I WILL, but as you will. Jesus did not walk after the carnal mind, after the desires he had in his flesh, he was able to DENY what his own will had desired, and instead walk after God’s will.
Jesus said only God is good, that he could do nothing of himself. That which Jesus did and that which Jesus said, he did and said it through that which he RECEIVED from God at the river Jordan.
The offspring of Jesse could do nothing of himself, he was a MAN who needed to receive God’s Spirit. He was a man who needed to be called to righteousness.
Isaiah doesn’t say an anointed one of a kind creature God made came down to be a human of the offspring of Jesse. It is clearly written, you have a human who God rests His Spirit upon and calls to righteousness.
YOU: Jesus’ SEED was/is MORE of God than of DAVID as you will see hereunder.
ME:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
This is Jesus being born of God CALLED to righteousness,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit ofwisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might,the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
As was promised to the offspring of David Carmel, “Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.”
The seed of David, 100% David’s son, 100% a Son of Man, was on a certain DAY BORN of God’s Spirit, becoming a Son of God.
Not a one of a kind human/god was made in the womb of Mary that was part David but more part God. That is just made up garbage, the very image of a false god such goes against the words of the prophets and the words in the NT that speak directly of the fulfillment of what the prophets said.
Hi Jodi:
You:
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
This passage above makes your words of Jesus purely FALSE.
Jesus and God are as ONE because Jesus followed NOT his own will, he followed God’s will.
Jesus is the mediator of the new testament, the covenant that Isaiah spoke of.
This was a calling to righteousness of the offspring of Jesse. In order to fulfill this covenant the One True God had to perfect a human. That human had to LEARN OBEDIENCE. That obedience makes him ONE with God, instead of separated.Me:
Duet 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
So tell me, who is YHWH one with here? How could the Messiah learn obedience if he did not have his own thoughts like you say.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside me there is no saviour.
YOU Quoted me: : The Son of man, who is God presented in the flesh cannot be fully tempted. It ended here.
You: The below passage makes your words about the Son of Man also purely FALSE.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in ALL points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Me: No it doesn’t.
Duet 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
Matt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again (Duet 6:16), Thou shalt not tempt the Lord (kurios) thy God.
Me: YHWH in Duet 6:16 is the same YHWH in Matt 4:7. He is mind and spirit. His spirit now has the humanity or seed of David in him. This seed grew in its bond with the holy spirit to become one.
You:
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Me; This means that his Father is the mind of the spirit and the Messiah is the spirit. If the Messiah was purely man, then of his self he would do something of himself because he would have free will and be a different person. The humanity in the spirit of God and the mind of God are of the one and same person.You:
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
The Son of Man is a MAN following not his OWN WILL, God is with him so that he can deny his own will and follow God’s will.Me: 24/7. This is impossible for a pure man to do, even if he did not have death in his flesh. You are making a man a God. Instead the messiah was God joined with flesh, His only mind was the father fully in him. This mind was joined as one with the spirit of God, with the nature of the seed of David in him, the Messiah. We have the nature of God in our minds. God now has the nature of man in his.
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord (kurios) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
You: This BEGAN AFTER the Spirit descended like a dove upon Jesus, that was his anointing, that was him being MADE The Christ, and that is WHEN God declared “THIS is my beloved Son” and this is WHEN that Son was SENT out into the world, and fame BEGAN to spread of him.
Me: No the spirit of God was sent like a dove to identify Christ.
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
The baptism in water was an example for us to follow. It symbolizes the baptism with the holy spirit Christ cannot be baptized into his own death before he died.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
TC…….THE “LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD”…….has nothing to do with Jesus, where do you get that from. But it does prove a point about what you falsely believe, you believe the UPPER CASE LORD, there means Jesus. The word LORD there is in the hebrew text (adonia) means ALMIGHTY GOD, you falsely use the term as (adoni) lower case lord , which mean a human ruler or judge. JESUS IS NOT ALMIGHTY GOD, as you falsely assume. HE PLAINEY SAI HE WAS A SON OF MAN, SAYING “that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, “AND” Jesus whom you have sent.
We believe this, ” but unto us ( the true believers), there is “ONE” GOD, and “ONE” MEDIATOR between men and GOD, the “MAN” Jesus Christ.
I see no word there saying Jesus is the God being refered to there, did you throw those scriptures out of you bibles?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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