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Hi TC,
YOU:Christ was a mediator between his father and man because he had the nature of the seed of David and the nature of the holy spirit. He had both. That makes a good mediator.
ME: I am going to keep this simple,
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
This new testament is the exact same as the COVENANT spoken by Isaiah.
Isaiah 42:I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Jesus of Nazareth is the prophesied stem of Jesse who God anointed with His Spirit (Isaiah 11:1-2 and 61:1), calling him to righteousness to be covenant for all people (Isaiah 42:6), being made perfect by learning obedience through suffering (Hebrews 5:8-9), remaining faithful to God going to the cross dying for our sins, because God had made him “of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD” (Isaiah 11:3).
TC, Jesus is our mediator through a covenant which involved a human of the offspring of Jesse having God’s Spirit placed upon him being CALLED to righteousness.
YOU: How was it possible that he could be obedient denying his own will/carnal mind?
ME:
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own desire, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
JESUS we are directly TOLD TC was IN ALL POINTS TEMPTED as WE ARE!
Jesus had a carnal mind like all men, he was flesh and had desires of the flesh which tempted him, however he never served those desires, he never served his own will he only served God.
Jesus DESIRED for God to “take away this cup” from him. WHY was that TC? Jesus feared death like all men because he had a carnal mind like all men, however he was NOT carnally minded, but spiritually minded.
Mark 14:35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. 36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Jesus had a carnal mind, such was how it was he was able to be tempted they go hand in hand. Jesus had God’s Spirit placed upon him, the Spirit of Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, he was MADE to have quick understanding and fear of the Lord, BECAUSE of that he was able to overcome the carnal mind and be spiritually minded, serve God and not his own desires. God’s desire was for him to die on the cross, which was NOT the desire of Jesus, but Jesus obeyed and followed God’s will.
Hi TC,
YOU:I am glad that nobody here subscribes to your “understanding” which is totally weird. You say that the Messiah is a mere man with a flesh and bone body.
ME: I say that the Messiah is NOT a mere MAN, he is a MAN who God placed His Spirit upon in full measure calling him to righteousness to be a covenant saving me from my sins.
I believe in Jesus’s own testament about himself AFTER he rose from the dead.
Luke 24: 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
Acts 1:11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
This SAME Jesus who was of flesh and bones who went up to heaven will return in the same way to earth.
AS such is also true from Acts, 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
YOU: You say he was not born with the spirit of God in him but received it at Jordon. You say that he had a carnal mind. The devil could not have done a better job at this deception than you.
ME: I believe the prophet Isaiah, that an offspring of Jesse was ANOINTED with God’s Spirit and SENT, of which Jesus himself declares AFTER the Spirit descended upon him like a dove and God said “THIS is my beloved Son”. Also what we are told in Acts, that Jesus was anointed AFTER the baptism that John preached.
Jesus was TEMPTED just like us, ALSO a biblical FACT. A carnal mind with mortal flesh is what causes a person to be tempted, how was it that Jesus could be TEMPTED if he didn’t have a carnal mind? If you have the Spirit of God working in you it aids you in denying the desires of your flesh the desires created by your carnal mind, the desires of your own will, it causes you to be spiritually minded not serving your own carnal mind, yourself, but you serve God.
YOU:Jodi, I do not care at all what you think–and you don’t/ I don’t think anyone else does believes you. Yours is the message of the anti-Christ and is the worst berating of the Messiah I have ever seen or heard. In other words I care less of what you and your father the devil thinks. How many pages here and on other threads have you and Gene try to explain what you think?
ME: What is antichrist is to deny Jesus’s own words where he declares his anointing and when it is he has been SENT, where he is quoting Isaiah.
No Jodi,
Just because Christ was tempted in every way like us does not mean he had a carnal mind. If he did, he would 100% have sinned.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.Jodi,
Much a do about nothing, that is your response? Seems more like a way to AVOID addressing God’s word that doesn’t fit your theories.
Me: Yes Jodi, I have answered all your questions in the past with scripture. You on the other hand have not commented on all my answers. You, like Gene and the devil are deceptive. The three stooges can do a better job than the likes of you all.
You: How do you deal with scripture directly telling you that Jesus was raised from the dead RECEIVING the mercies of David as was promised?
Me: I explained to you that the seed of David is a spiritual one, the nature of David. We have the seed of Abraham as did David. Do we also have the body of Abraham?
You: How do you deal with direct scripture that tells you that God visited a Son of Man and MADE that Son of Man a little lower than the angels?
Me: I explained this to you. The Messiah had the bodily characteristics of angels, with no death in their flesh. This is before his glorification. This is not the same as we humans that have inherit death in our flesh which causes use to sin. Death brings unrighteousness. Eternal life brings righteousness. Christ had the holy spirit or Word in him as his only spirit (Eph 4:4).
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten (born) into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Me: After Christ’s resurrection and glorification into heaven, he became much higher than the angels.
You: How do you deal with the offspring of Jesse being called to righteousness, given the Spirit of God for the purpose of being SENT out into the world to preach not his own word but God’s word?
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Me: Does this sound like the Messiah had discretion to say anything not of his Father but of his humanity?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
The father is the mind of the spirit and the son is the spirit. They are one and the same person.
Jodi,
You: How do you deal with these passages,
Acts 13:23 Of this MAN’S SEED hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Jesus is a savior according to a promise, according to being of a human’s SEED, such is what I believe, but you say that is false and it’s a good thing no one is listening to me. I believe exactly what the passage says TC.Me: No way. We just examined the passage that Christ was made a little lower than angels bodily, not of our inherited bodies from Adam.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed (nature) of Abraham.
Me: The nature of angels are compared with the nature or seed of Abraham.
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
So Acts 13:23 is addressing the seed that is spiritual and not physical. We, along with Abraham inherit bodies of the glorified Christ, not the body of Abraham.
You: Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Me:
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Me: God raised up the body and humanity of Christ, not the Word of God in him. In fact, the Word inside of him raised both body and humanity of Christ up . The promise of the holy spirit is so we can be baptized in the holy spirit with the humanity of Christ in it. We die with him and are raised to a new life through him.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together… 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Me: This says that we are to be conformed to his image, not he to our image.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/2-17.htm
Me: Look at the phrase “to be made like” in the link above. It doesn’t say who is to be made like who. But Romans 8:29 tells us that we will be made like him.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
You: Jesus upon being raised from the dead RECEIVED the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit. That same Spirit beareth witness with our Spirit that we are also heirs of God, JOINT heirs with Christ (The Anointed with God’s Spirit), conformed to his image, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Me: Yes
TC,
How was he able to be tempted, by what did his OWN will come from?
To be a human of flesh means you have a natural mind that is what it means to be a Son of Man in the flesh. Jesus didn’t just have a body of flesh, he was an anthropos a HUMAN and by such he had his own human will, and he did not sin because he followed God’s will instead of his own through having God’s Spirit working in him.
We are directly told that the offspring of Jesse received the Spirit of Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding and fear of the LORD, he was CALLED to righteousness, this kept him from following his own will, his natural mind.
How do you deal with scripture directly telling you that Jesus was raised from the dead RECEIVING the mercies of David as was promised?
Jodi, What mercies of David??? Read:
John 10:17 Therefore doth the Father love me:
BECAUSE I LAY DOWN MY LIFE,
THAT I MAY TAKE IT AGAIN
Where in the above statement by Jesus indicates that Jesus RECEIVED DAVID’S GRACIES IN ORDER TO BE RAISED?
18 No man taketh it away from me:
BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF. And I have power to lay it down: and
I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN,
Again: In the above Jesus ASSERTS that He has HIS OWN POWER, NOT DAVID’S GRACIES, to raise Himself up again?
Can you clarify your perception with regard to what you said hereunder:
Jesus was raised from the dead RECEIVING the mercies of David as was promised?
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.
Jodi,
You: How was he able to be tempted, by what did his OWN will come from?
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Duet 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the YHWH your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
Me: So “God cannot be tempted” means more than Just testing him in James 1:13. You need to read the whole context.
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 14 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Me: To be fully tempted means Jas 1:13-15, not just James 1:13. God was not drawn away by his lust in a body of death sin like we have.
Matt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Me: This is the beginning part of temptation.
Matt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Me: The Son of man, who is God presented in the flesh cannot be fully tempted. It ended here.
You: To be a human of flesh means you have a natural mind that is what it means to be a Son of Man in the flesh. Jesus didn’t just have a body of flesh, he was an anthropos a HUMAN and by such he had his own human will, and he did not sin because he followed God’s will instead of his own through having God’s Spirit working in him.
Me: Jesus had a body like we do, and like the angels do when here on earth, not a body of death. Christ was human in that he had the heart of man in him, not man’s flesh of sin and death. I have explained this many times.
You: We are directly told that the offspring of Jesse received the Spirit of Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding and fear of the LORD, he was CALLED to righteousness, this kept him from following his own will, his natural mind.
Me: The heart and nature of man bonded with the nature of God as one. The mind of God is our heavenly Father, who through the holy spirit was fully in the Messiah. The spirit of God is the Messiah. God is one person, him and his Word, now the Father and Son.
John 4:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father (me: mind of God) that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
TC,
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
This passage above makes your words of Jesus purely FALSE.
Jesus and God are as ONE because Jesus followed NOT his own will, he followed God’s will.
Jesus is the mediator of the new testament, the covenant that Isaiah spoke of.
This was a calling to righteousness of the offspring of Jesse. In order to fulfill this covenant the One True God had to perfect a human. That human had to LEARN OBEDIENCE. That obedience makes him ONE with God, instead of separated.
TC,
YOU: The Son of man, who is God presented in the flesh cannot be fully tempted. It ended here.
ME: The below passage makes your words about the Son of Man also purely FALSE.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in ALL points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
The Son of Man is a MAN following not his OWN WILL, God is with him so that he can deny his own will and follow God’s will.
This BEGAN AFTER the Spirit descended like a dove upon Jesus, that was his anointing, that was him being MADE The Christ, and that is WHEN God declared “THIS is my beloved Son” and this is WHEN that Son was SENT out into the world, and fame BEGAN to spread of him.
TC…… let’s also remember, this scripture in;
Heb 5:8-9…..Though he were a son, yet he “learned obedience” by the things he suffered; and being “made perfect”, “he became” , the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
This backs up exactly what Jodi has said, all along, and we don’t have to force the text to say something different either, just except it for apsolute truth TC.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Carmel,
Passages below tell you directly that God raises Jesus from the dead. How could Jesus raise himself from the dead he was dead.
If he didn’t actually die you are still in your sins. This has got to be one of the worst doctrines I have ever come across, of people saying Jesus raised himself from being dead.
Acts 2: 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 2: 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
VERY CLEAR, God raises Jesus from being DEAD and gives him of the PROMISED Holy Spirit, and gives him the sure mercies of David that God also had promised.
What does God also GIVE Jesus and WHY does he give Jesus this authority?
God gives all life into the hands of Jesus, from the first to the last, Jesus has authority to judge and raise the dead giving his sheep eternal life.
He is given this authority because he laid down his life for our sins, so that we could all be resurrected.
So KNOWING these scriptures and this truth, you can understand John 10 correctly and not make the scriptures into a work of confusing garbage filled with contradictions.
John 10:7 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Jesus lays down his life to bring in the resurrection, not to raise himself from the dead.
Jesus lays down his life so that he can have authority to take life again, a commandment he receives from the Father.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Jesus is not saying he lays down his life and has the power to raise himself from the dead. He dies so that he can then give life again to all.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
God raises Jesus from the dead Carmel, we are directly told such. Jesus in John 10 is speaking of him laying down his own life so then he can raise others to life.
To ALL,
Anyone who reads John 10:17-18 and believes it is saying that Jesus has the power to raise himself from the dead and believes that Jesus raised himself from the dead is in MAJOR ERROR.
Jesus lays down his LIFE, meaning that he dies and no longer has LIFE, he is DEAD, he does this because he loves us, so that our sins are no longer counted for our own death.
By him laying down his own life he brings life back to all.
God raises Jesus from the dead and gives Jesus authority overall life, to raise the dead and judge and give eternal life to his sheep.
Hi TC,
YOU: So “God cannot be tempted” means more than Just testing him in James 1:13. You need to read the whole context.
ME: You need to believe in what the whole context says and apply it to other verses.
God cannot be tempted, God is not a man so verse 14 and 15 have nothing to do with Him, but Jesus is a man so verse 14 and 15 can give us understanding.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 THEN when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
As Jesus is a MAN, who we are told was tempted in all points as we are tempted but he did not sin, we can know that Jesus never indulges in the temptations he faced as when you indulge that is when sin is brought forth. The original word for CONCEIVE is sullambano -metaph. of lust whose impulses a man INDULGES. Jesus never indulged he served only God and thus remained without sin.
TC what you DENY from God’s word and have invented your own understanding of, is to WHY it is Jesus remained without sin.
Jesus remained without sin because he was the offspring of Jesse ELECTED from out of the people to receive God’s Spirit without measure being called to righteousness.
TC you seem to just deny God’s covenant that He made all together, you certainly give it NO RESPECT.
The covenant spoken by Isaiah has EVERYTHING to do with God perfecting Jesus, keeping him from sin, it was a MAN receiving God’s Spirit in fullness and God having it remain with him, NOT some non flesh perfect being fertilizing an egg that becomes an infant who is incapable of sinning.
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him,It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
YOU: This is the beginning part of temptation.
Matt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
The Son of man, who is God presented in the flesh cannot be fully tempted. It ended here.
ME: YOU are so confused,
Jesus remained without sin because he was the offspring of Jesse ELECTED from out of the people to be called to righteousness for the purpose of fulfilling a covenant, which that covenant was for God to keep him from sin, having him learn obedience, display a final necessary act of his faith in God.
TC, Jesus ask God to “take away this cup” from him. He had a desire and it was not the same as God’s will, but he chose to follow God’s command, he did not give into his own desire, he went to the cross as an act of obedience to God, a display of his ultimate faith in God.
36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet LEARNED he OBEDIENCE by the things which he suffered;
What happened in the wilderness?
Jesus was tempted but he never indulged in those temptations.
Jesus was even tempted to tempt God, see if God would have his angels rescue him if he threw himself down, but he said “It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” Jesus would not tempt the Lord his God. Just as he said also, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
Jesus LIVED by the WORD of God, he spoke the words of God as God’s representative and lived by them, as we are told from Isaiah of which Jesus quotes after his baptism, after his temptations in the wilderness, that the Spirit was upon him, that he was ANOINTED to PREACH God’s word, he lived by the very words of God that he preached, he preached of the covenant and then fulfilled that which he preached of, living by God’s word, making God’s word spoken by Isaiah in chapter 53 true in his flesh when he died on the cross.
After 123 pages, Jesus was still born the messiah as it is written. You see, no matter how you cut it, it is written.
t8,
You: Jesus was still born the messiah as it is written
ME: NO, that is NOT written anywhere, nice try. Don’t say something is written that is not actually written.
This is what is written,
Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
and before that, this was written,
Luke 1:1 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God WILL give him the throne of his father David,
it is written “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior”
it is also a written, “And being MADE perfect, he BECAME the source of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him”.
When the angel said, WILL BE, he wasn’t kidding, the infant would be a savior by being MADE perfect years later.
The infant was called a savior for what would occur in the future.
That savior that the infant would BECOME, is Christ the master, NOT the infant is Christ the master. The infant was NOT YET a savior, NOR was he yet a master over anyone or anointed yet.
SUCH is WRITTEN t8 that PROVES EXACTLY that,
Just as Hebrews 5:9 tells you the infant wasn’t born our savior but was the one made perfect YEARS later becoming our savior, we are likewise told that he was ANOINTED years later.
Luke 4:1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside….17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath ANOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and BEGAN from Galilee, AFTER the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
This is also written,
Acts 13: 22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of JESSE, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO His PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus.
Jesus is a savior according to God’s promise, that promise is spoken clearly by Isaiah where the offspring of Jesse is anointed with God’s Spirit, a man called to righteousness to be a covenant, of which that covenant is about perfecting a man, hence why it is a calling to righteousness. No coincidence that Jesus says he has to be baptized in order to fulfill all righteousness, and that is when the Spirit descends upon him. Also no coincidence that Jesus quotes Isaiah after his baptism speaking of the Spirit being upon him as his anointing.
Isaiah doesn’t give a promise of God that an anointed non flesh perfect being will be sent to earth to fertilize an egg creating a perfect infant who could not sin, and we are saved because this perfect infant grows up to then die on the cross.
To all…….Anyone who is actually honest and true to the text, and the intent of of meaning those texts, will have to agree with exactly what JODI has written. Anyone who truly wants to know t h e truth about who Jesus really was and is , should with an open mind, and honest heart, not just read them, but really honestly study what she has written, you are being given the truth about our lord Jesus the Christ.
The wide way of false religion, over the past 2000 years have created and come up with a false Jesus, just as Jesus said they would.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……..gene
honest and true to the text, and the intent of of meaning those texts
But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid! For behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord! And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”…
Be honest and you will see that it is clear what is being said. But some here teach the exact opposite so they are anti Jesus being the Christ because they teach he was not the Christ when the angel stated that he was. How do some sleep at night knowing that they are teaching the antithesis of what Luke and others taught us.
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