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For the WORD OF GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
TC how is it that Jesus is ABLE to be a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart? Because as a SON OF JESSE God anointed him with His Spirit,
Jodi,
You asked above:
how is it that Jesus is ABLE to be a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart?
THEN YOU SAID: Because as a SON OF JESSE God anointed him with His Spirit,
No! Not quite right!
“THE WORD” Jesus’ to be, the Son of Man to be, JESUS’FLESH.
WAS FROM THE BEGINNING ENGRAFTED IN THE FIRST EVER HEART OF LUCIFER, THE LIGHT BEARER, THE MORNING STAR,
John1:1 In the beginning, was the word.
IN LUCIFER WAS “THE WORD”
Lucifer was THE BEGINNING OF CREATION. the primordial light which enlightened the entire infinite existence,
THE FACT THAT WHEN HE REBELLED DARKNESS ESTABLISHED ITSELF IN THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE.
From that moment on “THE WORLD” traveled in all the eventual hearts ENGRAFTED AS AN INITESIMAL SPECK eternally for the sake of ETERNAL LIFE of all creatures no matter what and who. The fact that the scripture in Hebrews clearly says:
For the WORD OF GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any TWO-EDGED sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Between all SPIRITS and SOULS, in humans, and JOINTS and MARROW. between all SOULS AND FLESH in humans
The above is a clear process of the actual function of “THE WORD” AS A SPIRIT IN ALL CREATURES, for the simple reason that, from the beginning “THE WORD” WAS/IS IN THE CORE OF ALL HEARTS.
IN THE HEARTS OF ALL SPIRITS, OF ALL SOULS, AND OF ALL FLESH.
Now reflect Humans have A SPIRIT, A SOUL, AND A FLESH BODY, and “THE WORD” IS IN EACH OF THEM! GOT IT?
TRIPPLE: SHARPER THEN ANY TWO-EDGED SWORD, SEPARATING, DIVIDING, AS A MEDIATOR/SPIRIT, IN FULL CONTROL OF ALL CREATURES.
I REPEAT “THE WORD” AS A SPIRIT, AN INFINITESIMAL SPECK WAS IN ALL CREATURE’S HEART AS THEIR LIFE SOURCE, AND ALSO AS A MEDIATOR/SPIRIT. BY WHOM GOD WITHIN “THE WORD” CREATED ALL.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Jodi,
God created all by his WORD
Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Psalms 33:6 By the WORD of YHWH the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
God created all things by his spirit.
Job 33:4 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
God created all things through his Word, which is his spirit, which is the now Messiah.
Jodi,
The spirit of God was in the Messiah as the Word. The humanity of Christ bonded with the Word of God in him.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God The same was in the beginning with God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed (me:nature) of Abraham.
Me: This statement also means that the Word was spirit before he took on flesh. The Word is God and therefore is eternal. The Word was not made flesh but was made one with flesh or “took on flesh”.
Jodi,
You: APPLY Isaiah’s words to your understanding of the Holy Spirit and Jesus TC, at this point it is clearly evident that you don’t. What you say above makes no sense to me.
Me: No Jodi, the air in your head is not the holy spirit. That’s why it makes no sense to you.
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Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,Matt 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Me so, how was God in heaven and at the same time in the Messiah fully? It is through his holy spirit. God can do an be an infinite amount of things all at once.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Me: God can be fully in Christ and his spirit can be fully in the entire universe at the same time. Why do you limit God? You do not understand what and who is God.
Isa 1:1, Isa 42:1, and Isa 62:1 applies to the spirit of God on the human, not on his Word inside of him. God’s spirit is omnipresent. He can be fully in the Messiah and fully in the universe at the same time.
Psalm 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy SPIRIT? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Jodi, you do limit God
Hi All,
You: How was it possible that he could be obedient denying his own will/carnal mind?
This is a classic
Hi Careml,
YOU:
Jesus Christ unified both the substance of the DIVINITY and the substance of MAN:
Well clear in John 13:31-32,20:17, 12:32!
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus:
ME:
CONTEXT and TRUTH,
John 13:30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night. 31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. 33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus was going to heaven AS the Son of Man to sit at God’s right hand. His glory was that of a firstborn of many brethren receiving eternal life and the great portion of God’s inheritance that a firstborn receives, given dominion overall the works of God’s hands.
Carmel, ACTS tells you that Jesus DIED and when God raised him from the dead he RECEIVED the mercies of David, that he RECEIVED the promise of the Holy Spirit. Paul tells us that we are heirs of God’s eternal Spirit as well, JOINT heirs with Christ, that we are GLORIFIED together. We with Jesus are all of ONE BODY, one body heir of God, recieving of His Spirit unto eternal life.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Because Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, DEATH is no longer our fate but a resurrection is, a resurrection to eternal life to those who have the UNITY of FAITH that the Son of God is a PERFECT MAN, the fullness of an anointing of God’s Spirit, just as Isaiah said when God would put his Spirit upon him CALLING him to righteousness keeping him for a covenant for the people.
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Carmel, you are judged by a MAN, that man is able to judge you because he was like you able to be tempted, he knows our infirmities. He is a MAN God ordained, he is NOT God, he RECEIVED the PROMISE of God’s Holy Spirit.
JESUS is not God Carmel, the one that sits at God’s right hand is a MAN.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Psalms 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith* all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Carmel, God was MINDFUL of a MAN, that MAN was Jesus who God visited him with the full measure of His Spirit, making that MAN a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death to then crown him with the kingdom of David, giving him the mercies of David just as God had promised.
There is One God and He gives of His Spirit, having mercy on His creation, God’s Spirit dwells in the spirit of the Son of Man Jesus, and Jesus was able to overcome his carnal nature because of it, being spiritually minded and not carnally minded. God’s plan is to make us joint heirs with Jesus so that God can be ALL in ALL concerning MANKIND.
Hi TC,
YOU:Me: Christ as a life giving spirit and makes intercession or mediation for us. The mind of the spirit (our heavenly Father) and the holy spirit (the Word or son of God) are one.
ME: This makes no sense because scripture speaks against it. There are no passage where our heavenly Father is said to be the mind of the Spirit, and that the Son of God is the Holy Spirit.
The Son of God is a PERFECT MAN who upon being raised from the dead by God received the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit.
I believe what the scriptures say not your delusional view where you extract verses and then make them into your own theories.
Hi TC,
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
WHO is CHRIST–
Acts 2: 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it….30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Christ is the SEED of David raised from the dead RECEIVING the Holy Spirit. So what you say is just a PURE LIE TC.
WHO did God make head of all principality and power?
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
1 Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
In Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead, BECAUSE he RECEIVED God’s Spirit.
Biblical FACT TC, Jesus is able to forgive sins and heal, be a judge because he is a Son of Man having RECEIVED God’s Spirit.
Biblical FACT TC, the one who will smite the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips, slaying the wicked is able to do so because he is the Son of Man having RECEIVING God’s Spirit, he IS the OFFSPRING of JESSE.
Isaiah11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
The fullness of the Godhead dwells in him so that he does not judge after the sight of his own eyes, he judges through God’s Spirit the source of all that is good and righteous. God was in Jesus through the anointing of His Spirit upon him in full measure. Jesus said that only God is good, he could do nothing of himself, he did that which he LEARNED from God through God’s Spirit being upon him.
Hi TC,
YOU:
Matt 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
So, how was God in heaven and at the same time in the Messiah fully? It is through his holy spirit. God can do an be an infinite amount of things all at once.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
God can be fully in Christ and his spirit can be fully in the entire universe at the same time. Why do you limit God? You do not understand what and who is God.
ME: God’s Spirit was in Jesus, and fully in the entire universe at the same time absolutely. God will be ALL in ALL, where His Spirit will be pored out onto all men.
I do not put limits on God.
Just very BIZARRE TC, you want to give me what I said that made you respond like this? It is like you have NOT READ a single word I have ever posted, lol because if you had you would not have written such a stupid post where you are accusing me of not believing in something that I have repeatedly said I do believe.
HI TC,
GLAD we agree in something, “God can be fully in Christ and his spirit can be fully in the entire universe at the same time.”
Such is why the Son of Man Jesus of Nazareth is CALLED CHRIST (The Anointed) BECAUSE God placed His Spirit upon Him, just as Isaiah prophesied.
Hi TC,
YOU:
The spirit of God was in the Messiah as the Word. The humanity of Christ bonded with the Word of God in him.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God The same was in the beginning with God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed (me:nature) of Abraham.
Me: This statement also means that the Word was spirit before he took on flesh. The Word is God and therefore is eternal. The Word was not made flesh but was made one with flesh or “took on flesh”.
ME:
FACT, it was a Son of Man who God made a little lower than the angels.
When he was MADE such, he took not on the form of an angel having eternal life, but remained a mortal man for the suffering of death, being made the SEED of Abraham becoming the PROMISED Christ.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Not only Abraham’s SEED would the Son of Man MADE a little lower than the angels come from, but ALSO the SEED of Jesse and David.
The prophet Isaiah said that an offspring of Jesse God would anoint with His Spirit. That word of God was made true in Jesus of Nazareth. God’s word spoken to Isaiah fulfilled in the FLESH of Jesus. Having received that Spirit Jesus then was able to speak not his own words but God’s words. He was also through that Spirit able to carry out not his own will but that of God’s will that had been WITH God since before the world was.
There is One True God who exists with Powers, by those powers God is able to fulfill exactly that which He speaks, that which is according to His will. His will is His word. His word is that He alone exists with powers, He alone blesses and curses. Such is His word and His word is TRUE. Sometimes God’s word is fulfilled at the time He speaks, “let there be light, and there was light”. Other times HIS WILL, HIS WORD is to be fulfilled later in time, with Him from before the earth was but fulfilled later according to His will that existed before the earth was.
God’s WILL, the WORD that was with Him from the beginning but was to be fulfilled later in time, was a promise of eternal life to mankind. In that word was, “Of this MAN’S SEED hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Savior, Jesus”.
God’s word that David spoke, God had declared the END before He made the beginning. The promise of God raising unto Israel a Savior of the seed of David, WAS WITH GOD in His WORD before time began.
The Spirit of God was in Jesus making him the Christ, this was God’s word spoken to Isaiah and then made true in the flesh of Abraham and Jesse’s seed Jesus. This Son of Man now made a little lower than the angels through that Spirit, which Jesus called his anointing, said he received it to be SENT out into the world to PREACH God’s word and deliver the captives.
TC, the one who the people held the glory of was the one that was SENT after the Spirit had descended like a dove upon him. His FAME began in Galilee where he began speaking God’s word and performing signs and miracles. They beheld the one full of grace and truth, the Son of Man who God was mindful of and visited, making him a little lower than the angels giving him the fullness of His Spirit, a CALLING to righteousness it was, where God would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant, a LIGHT for the people.
Unfortunately in John 1 we are told that this LIGHT CAME to his OWN but his OWN rejected him. You also reject him for who he is, the Son of Man MADE a little lower than the angels, the Son of Man born of God’s Spirit, according to the promise given to Abraham, Jesse and David concerning their seed.
First you have the promise given to Abraham’s seed, a word from God, a word that was even WITH God before He created the world!
Then you have it being fulfilled by God visiting Jesus of Nazareth, being mindful of a man, having him be made a little lower than the angels, occurring WHEN the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove and God declaring, “THIS is my beloved Son”.
Then THIS Son is tested and overcomes and returns in the full power of the Spirit being SENT out to PREACH God’s words and fulfill God’s will.
At that TIME you see the people beholding the glory of the only one filled with grace and truth, the only Son of Man born of God’s Spirit, as there is but one SEED that is the Christ FROM Abraham, not many seeds, just one.
Jodi,
Much ado about nothing. You question me how the spirit of God is the Word and yet on Christ and in the universe. I explain it to you, and you come out with a bunch of BS. Yes, Jodi, 100 proof BS. Yours is not the word of God but vanity, lack of understanding and the epitome of a dumb blonde. You do not understand that God is he and his Word. The Word became one with flesh.
By the way you still have not explained your outrageous statement:
You: How was it possible that he could be obedient denying his own will/carnal mind?
Jodi,
I am glad that nobody here subscribes to your “understanding” which is totally weird. You say that the Messiah is a mere man with a flesh and bone body. You say he was not born with the spirit of God in him but received it at Jordon. You say that he had a carnal mind. The devil could not have done a better job at this deception than you. Jodi, I do not care at all what you think–and you don’t/ I don’t think anyone else does believes you. Yours is the message of the anti-Christ and is the worst berating of the Messiah I have ever seen or heard. In other words I care less of what you and your father the devil thinks. How many pages here and on other threads have you and Gene try to explain what you think?
Hi All
What about Easter?
The English name Easter came from the Angol- Saxon spring goddess Eostre. ( The root of the English word for Estrogen the sex hormone.) It is also connected to Astarte, the Phoenician fertility goddess, and the Babylonian chief goddess Ishtar.
Hares and rabbits are symbols of fertility used in the ancient ceremonial and symbolism pagan spring festivals. The hunt for Easter eggs, supposedly brought by the Easter rabbit, far from being harmless child’s play, originated in a pagan fertility rite. Some still believe that the decorated Easter egg can ‘magically’ bring happiness, prosperity, and health. Easter sunrise services are clearly linked to rites of ancient Sun worshippers performed at the Vernal or Spring equinox welcoming the Sun and its great power to bring new life to all growing things. There is no doubt that the Church of False Christianity already practiced many of the old pagan customs and simply overlaid them with a Christian meaning to them.
Praise God for the Resurrection, God bless.TC….You saying no one agrees with JODI, is a LIE, I completely agree with her. She takes what she is saying directly from scripture and dosen’t changes anything to meet some king of false concepts as you and others here do.
Jesus said clearly the deception in christanity would be about who he actually is. Saying
“many” would come in my name saying I am the Christ, and decieve “many”.
He also said, “wide is the way that leads to destruction, and “many” go in threat., narrow is the way and straight is the way that leads to life and “few” there be that find it.
You are of the many who preach a “false” JESUS , A MADE UP Jesus, which has it’s organs in pagan religious thoughts. You are of those who believe and preach him as “prexisting” God, or a Deity of some kind.
Your message as well as theirs is a “DOCTRINE of SEPERATION”. your preaching is deffenitly of the “many” in Christendom. Anyone who moves to make Jesus different then his human brothers and sisters is of the evil one.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi TC,
Much a do about nothing, that is your response? Seems more like a way to AVOID addressing God’s word that doesn’t fit your theories.
How do you deal with scripture directly telling you that Jesus was raised from the dead RECEIVING the mercies of David as was promised?
How do you deal with direct scripture that tells you that God visited a Son of Man and MADE that Son of Man a little lower than the angels?
How do you deal with the offspring of Jesse being called to righteousness, given the Spirit of God for the purpose of being SENT out into the world to preach not his own word but God’s word?
How do you deal with these passages,
Acts 13:23 Of this MAN’S SEED hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Jesus is a savior according to a promise, according to being of a human’s SEED, such is what I believe, but you say that is false and it’s a good thing no one is listening to me. I believe exactly what the passage says TC.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together… 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jesus upon being raised from the dead RECEIVED the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit. That same Spirit beareth witness with our Spirit that we are also heirs of God, JOINT heirs with Christ (The Anointed with God’s Spirit), conformed to his image, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
These passages apparently to you are “much a do about NOTHING”, of course they are as they don’t fit your theories.
Anthony…..you are right the origin of the Easter, came from a pagan source, Esthar was a pagan Goddess of sex and fertility, hints eggs and Rabbit’s , the mingling of pagan thought and celebrations are common in present christanity.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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