- This topic has 3,867 replies, 21 voices, and was last updated 1 year ago by Proclaimer.
- AuthorPosts
- March 31, 2019 at 12:43 pm#844492Ed JParticipant
CARMEL…..The reason I said rising star is because I relate Jesus more to our sun, which is A MORNING RISING STAR, given GOD’S, light to the whole earth.
Hi Gene,
Are you ‘a morning star’ too like you reason Jesus is?
“Yes” or “No”Gene?
April 1, 2019 at 3:14 am#844505GeneBalthropParticipantEdj…..where did you ever get, I said I am a morning star at?
Are you Edj.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
April 1, 2019 at 11:46 am#844507GeneBalthropParticipantEdj….. But I will say I should “reflect” the light of God, in my life , he way Jesus did.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
April 1, 2019 at 6:21 pm#844511Ed JParticipantCARMEL…..The reason I said rising star is because I relate Jesus more to our sun, which is A MORNING RISING STAR, given GOD’S, light to the whole earth.
Hi Gene,
Are you ‘a morning star’ too like you reason Jesus is?
“Yes” or “No”Edj…..where did you ever get, I said I am a morning star at?
Are you Edj.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
You said Jesus was.
Are you trying to separate Jesus from his brothers and sisters?
April 2, 2019 at 1:20 am#844512AnthonyParticipantHi Jodi and Gene
Ephesians 6:12 . <sup class=”versenum”>12 </sup>For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; color: #000000; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;” data-fn=”#fen-NKJV-29350a” data-link=”[a]”>[a]</sup>the darkness of this age, against spiritual <i>hosts</i> of wickedness in the heavenly <i>places.</i>
Wicked “spirits” can, and they most certainly do communicate with humans.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the body andsimplicity that is in Christ.
<div class=”footnotes”>
<h4>2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or <i>if</i> you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it</h4>
</div>
Matthew 7:14<span class=”woj”>Because narrow <i>is </i>the gate and</span> <span class=”woj”>difficult <i>is </i>the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.</span>
2 Corinthians 11:13
For such <i>are</i> false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. <span id=”en-NKJV-29004″ class=”text 2Cor-11-14″><sup class=”versenum”>14 </sup>And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. </span><span id=”en-NKJV-29005″ class=”text 2Cor-11-15″><sup class=”versenum”>15 </sup>Therefore <i>it is</i> no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.</span>
This present evil world – is filled with Satanic beliefs! God bless 🙏
<div class=”footnotes”></div>
April 2, 2019 at 1:56 am#844513AnthonyParticipantHi Jodi and Gene
Wicked “spirits” can, and they most certainly do communicate with humans.
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 C0rinthians 11:4
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Matthew 7:14- 16
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?1 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.THIS PRESENT EVIL WORLD- IS FILLED WITH SATANIC BELIEFS.
Believing that Jesus Christ is just a man, is one of them..
God bless
April 2, 2019 at 2:47 am#844514GeneBalthropParticipantAnthony…..have you ever thought you may be preaching another JESUS? REMEMBER the “latter days”, started at the time at the time of JESUS. The falling away of the church started right after the time of the apostles. It was the church that changed the “image” of Jesus, from being a human being, into him being a God. DO YOU WORSHIP JESUS AS BEING A GOD? 2ths2.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
April 2, 2019 at 2:56 am#844515GeneBalthropParticipantEdj…..hopefully I am like a star that reflects GOD’S LIGHT IN MY LIFE TO others , JUST LIKE Jesus does.
No I am not trying to seperate JESUS FROM HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS, that what you and others do here not me.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
April 2, 2019 at 4:24 am#844518AnthonyParticipantHi Gene
You said: Anthony…..have you ever thought you may be preaching another JESUS?
Me: I’m 100% I’m not preaching another Christ I’m also 100% that you are.
You said: The falling away of the church started right after the time of the apostles.
Me: and it’s still going on.
You said: It was the church that changed the “image” of Jesus, from being a human being, into him being a God. DO YOU WORSHIP JESUS AS BEING A GOD? 2ths2.
Me: I can’t help what you think the church of God done. By the way the word church is a false translation
You said: DO YOU WORSHIP JESUS AS BEING A GOD? 2ths2.
Me: yes, He’s a God because His Father’s a God It’s just that simple! Immanuel
God bless 🙏
April 2, 2019 at 6:14 am#844519TruthcomberParticipantGene:
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Me: Gene, this means both knees.
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.
Me: The name of Jesus is the same name as his Father.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.Me: Both the Father and the son have the same name.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the FATHER MAY BE GLORIFIED IN THE SON.
Me: When we worship the Father, we worship the son and give glory to him. When we ask the father in Christ’s name (now incomprehensible), we glorify the son and the Father as one.
Berean Study Bible
Judges 13:18 “Why do you ask My name,” said the Angel of YHWH, “since it is beyond comprehension?”Me: We ask in the one name of God which is now incomprehensible. The angel of YHWH is how the Word expressed himself then.
April 2, 2019 at 6:18 am#844520TruthcomberParticipantGene:
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him…10 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Me: The Son is in the Father, not just the Father in the Son.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Me: The one temple of the Father and the Word is the lamb.
April 2, 2019 at 6:22 am#844521AnthonyParticipantHi TC
Good post!
God bless my brother 🙏
April 2, 2019 at 6:25 am#844522AnthonyParticipantHi Gene and Jodi
Did Jesus Christ pre-exist
In its extent, the preposition “before” reaches back into the past without end or limit, and so “Before Abraham was, ” clearly need not mean “after Adam,” just as “before the Morning Star” need not mean “after the angels.” But when He said “before ,” He intended, not that He was included in any one’s existence, but that all things are included in His, God bless, I hope that helps!
April 2, 2019 at 8:46 am#844523carmelParticipantSo you believe Jesus is God’s word himself right? Then what do you do with this scripture, ” the words I am telling you are “not my words”, but the words of him who sent me. Seems you have a problem to straighten out. JESUS denies the words he spoke are his, so how could he “himself” be the word of God?
Gene,
the above scripture is corrupted!
Show which version and cut and paste the original not your own lies, please.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
April 2, 2019 at 10:55 am#844524TruthcomberParticipantGene:
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
John 16:12 (NASB) “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
Me: Christ does not glorify himself but glorifies his Father by giving the glory to his father in John 14:24.
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Me: Likewise the Father does not glorify himself but the Son does.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Me: Both glorify each other.
John 14:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
April 2, 2019 at 11:01 am#844525TruthcomberParticipantGene:
Young’s Literal Translation
Matt 24:36 ‘And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known — not even the messengers of the heavens — except my Father only;John 14:15 (NASB) ALL THINGS that the Father has are Mine…
Me: Again the Son glorifies the Father in Matt 24:36,
Matt 24:37 ALL THINGS ARE DELIVERED UNTO ME OF THE FATHER: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Me: The Son knows the day and the hour in Matt 24:36.
April 2, 2019 at 12:43 pm#844530TruthcomberParticipantHi All,
To clarify:
Berean Study Bible
Judges 13:18 “Why do you ask My name,” said the Angel of YHWH, “since it is beyond comprehension?”Me: The name behind YHWH is incomprehensible now.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name (unknown :Judges 13:18) of YHWH shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as YHWH hath said, and in the remnant whom YHWH shall call.
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name (unknown :Judges 13:18) of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (unknown :Judges 13:18) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Me: Jesus Christ and YHWH are two different names. The name behind Jesus Christ and the name behind YHWH are one and the same name. It is unknown at this time. It is the ONE name by which we are saved.
April 5, 2019 at 3:17 pm#844609ProclaimerParticipantIf Jesus is as ordinary as you and me in every way, then why should we look to him and have the hope that we can be like him and have a body like his? I guess we could just look to ourselves if he is the same as us.
April 5, 2019 at 9:10 pm#844617TruthcomberParticipantHi All,
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am YHWH; and BESIDES ME THERE IS NO SAVIOR…14 Thus saith the YHWH your REDEMER, the Holy One.
Good News Translation
John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to be its judge, but to be its SAVIOR.Me: Did God lie when he said he was our only savior and then prophesy that the Messiah will be our savior?
Isa 7:14 Therefore the YHWH himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (salvation): for he shall save his people from their sins.
Me: Or could it be that the Father and the Word are two aspects of the same one God. That the Word became one with flesh (John 1:14) and thus the Messiah is God. Did the Father and the Word every die? Hint: God does not change nor die). Or did the Word raise the body and spiritual essence from the grave of the human that had bonded as one with him (John 2:19-22, John 11:25)? Did not God reveal himself as a burning bush, an angel, etc through his Word in the OT? Why is it a hard thing for God to bond with the human seed of David?
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/1-21.htm
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/3091.htm
Me: Jesus is derived from the Hebrew word Yehoshua which means salvation. Jesus means Joshua. Joshua brought the Hebrews into the promise land. So will the Messiah in the millennium as Isa 7 testifies to. Not only that, but the Messiah shall bring salvation.Matt 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Me: The sign of salvation would be a virgin birth to the Son of God.
April 5, 2019 at 9:16 pm#844618TruthcomberParticipantHi All,
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed) is come in ___flesh is of God:
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_corinthians/10-4.htm1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ (anointed).
Me: The Word was anointed to be one with the seed of David.
2 Sam 22:47 YHWH liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock (Yeshua) of my salvation.
Me: Why is it hard to believe what is written that God is of TWO ASPECTS, the Father and the Word, now the Father and the Messiah.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.
- AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.