The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

[Jodi]

CARMEL, I do not ignore at all that Jesus was the Son of God, you disregard how it is Jesus is the Son of God and make Jesus into the image of a PAGAN god.

I quote these scriptures over and over again,

Romans 1: 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

JESUS is not a Son of God because he pre-existed as such, Jesus is the Son of God because he is the son of David who God had promised on a certain day he would beget him of His Spirit. The “people beheld the glory” of the Son of Man, who was “God’s only begotten Son full of grace and truth because he was the ONLY MORTAL to have been born of God, given the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Fear of the LORD, HOW else would he be FULL of grace and truth?  

Carmel Jesus could do NOTHING of himself everything he did he did through the Spirit of God  that descending upon him like a dove at the river Jordan and God said at that moment “THIS is my Son”, such is when he was begotten by God and was sent out to the people for the people to behold of his glory.

Jesus did nothing of his own will, his words and deeds were God’s words and deed of God’s will, he was the Son of God because he had been born of God’s Spirit, which is how it is he was able to follow God’s will and do His work.

The angel said “32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Jesus says he is not of this world and he says that those that are his are ALSO not of this world.

Anyone who is CARNALLY minded is of this word, those that are spiritually mind are not of this world, they are heavenly.

The PERSON speaking in the verses below is Jesus the Son of Man born of God’s Spirit at the river and sent out to preach His Father’s word, and they are to be applied to him.

John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are MINE

John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; 

Carmel, who are we directly told is given dominion over the works of God’s hands? The Son of Man that is who (Psalm 8)

Mark 2:10 `And, that ye may know that the Son of Man hath authority on the earth to forgive sins — (he saith to the paralytic) –

John 5:26 for, as the Father hath life in himself, so He gave also to the Son to have life in himself, 27 and authority He gave him also to do judgment, because he is Son of Man.

The Son of God is the Son of Man who God gave authority to over that of eternal life.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Carmel how is it that the Son of Man has been sealed to have this authority to judge?

BECAUSE he had been born of God Spirit with the Spirit being placed upon him called to righteousness,

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. 

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

ALSO, he is our judge over eternal life BECAUSE being a Son of Man he was in all ways tempted as we were tempted, he knows our infirmity and thus can judge us righteously with mercy and understanding.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The LAMB is the Son of Man who SHED his blood for your sins, who God first MADE perfect so that he could then be our source for eternal salvation, as a LAMB without spot or blemish.

He, the Son of Man, the offspring of Jesse is a LIGHT according to the covenant spoken by Isaiah, God placed His Spirit upon, called an anointing, said to be a call to righteousness, where God would hold his hand and keep him (from sin), to be a covenant for the people, a LIGHT to the Gentiles also.  

I am trying to follow the rest of what you said but it isn’t making sense as I believe you have misread completely what I said,

You quoted me and gave, You: Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great, not because he had a former self in him since he was born.

YOU:

not because he had a former self in him since he was born.

Jodi Jesus was in all things like his brethren.

ME: I had said NOT because he had a former self, meaning NOT because he pre-existed is Jesus great.

YES Jesus was in all things like his brethren.

YOU: HAD/HAVE A FORMER SELF IN THEMSELVES since they have A SOUL, YOUR SOUL IS YOU. LIKEWISE, JESUS HAD A FORMER SELF IN HIM WHEN HE WAS BORN.WITH THE DIFFERENCE THAT 

HE WAS THE BEGINNING OF EVERY CREATURE,

HE IS YOUR BEGINNING IN YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB, PRECISELY IN YOUR SOUL! THE LIFE SOURCE! AS A SPIRIT. “THE WORD

ME: Now things have really turned from rotten into worse!

14 in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins, 15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,

CARMEL WHO is verse 14 speaking of? The Son of Man who God perfected and thus was the lamb without spot or blemish sacrificed for your sins. Where is this Son of Man NOW, and where was he when Paul wrote to the Colossians? He was and is sitting at God’s right hand, as the firstborn of all creation to God’s heavenly kingdom, and it is HE having been perfected and given eternal life, that HE is the image of the invisible God. Paul even adds to his clarity to what he is talking about by saying directly firstborn —of the dead of a New beginning.

We are told that the GENESIS of Jesus is FROM the SEED of Abraham and David. We are told that God would take David’s son and make him into His own Son and into His firstborn Son. We are told that this Son would be given the throne of his father David for an eternity. 

There is NO word that says God took an already existing Son and made him into the seed of David. God made a Son from David’s seed. Abraham’s SEED would be The Anointed, and we are given by Isaiah, Jesus, and in Acts WHEN that anointing occurs. At the river Jordan Jesus becomes God’s only begotten Son, the Spirit descends upon him making him BORN of the Spirit, making him The Anointed, and then this Son is SENT out into the world because as Jesus says, so that he could preach God’s Gospel, heal the sick, deliver the captives out of darkness, fulfill God’s will.

 

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

As an active member of – The Ordinary Jesus Brigade – How do you account for this…

“None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)

ME:It is astonishing as they have no clue as to WHO paid for their sins, the anointed Son of Man who God perfected through the work of His Spirit.

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 

Yes indeed, God set his SEAL on the Son of man, one of the people of God’s creation who God gave His breath to and the Spirit to walk therein, as He rested His Spirit upon him, anointing him, calling him to righteousness to be a COVENANT for the people, our Creator who made the heavens and the earth by His hands would not give his glory to another.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6  LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;…8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

AS for David’s words in Palms 49, NONE of THEM that trust their wealth and boast themselves in their riches can by any means redeem his brother. 

Psalms 49:4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp. 5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; 7 None of THEM can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: 8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) 9 That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption. 10 For he seeth that wise men die, likewise the fool and the brutish person perish, and leave their wealth to others. 11 Their inward thought is, that their houses shall continue for ever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names. 12 Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish. 13 This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah.

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

It is interesting that you find my posts complicated, much of them are filled with scriptures and then what I say is just combing the scriptures together.

 

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

It is interesting that you find my posts complicated, much of them are filled with scriptures and then what I say is just combing the scriptures together.

Hi Jodi,

I could post a bunch of scripture and explain many facets on how they go together too.
But I instead prefer to seek resolution in ideas through simple yes/no questions. You
continuing in your long-winded convoluted posts suggest you seek no such thing.

For example, answer my next post, ok?

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Gene,

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.

Does Luke 2:11 say: Christ the Lord is born this day in the city of David?
“Yes” or “No”

Edj….yes, that scripture does say that.

Thank you Gene!

See that wan’t that hard – no pain at all to accept truth

Hi Jodi,

Was your last post (to me) an attempt to answer “Yes” to my question as well?
“Yes” or “No”

Jodi ?

[Ed J]

Hi Jodi,

I looked through another long-winded convoluted post and did not see a clear concise answer
Let me instead ask a simple y/n question, one which we can begin a constructive dialog with:

Verse reference (Psalms 49:7):
“None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him”

Does Psalms 49:7 not clearly say a brother cannot “by any means” redeem a brother to God?
“Yes” or “No”?

please answer

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Gene,

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.

Does Luke 2:11 say: Christ the Lord is born this day in the city of David?
“Yes” or “No”

Edj….yes, that scripture does say that.

Thank you Gene!

See that wan’t that hard – no pain at all to accept truth

Hi Jodi,

Gene says “Yes” to this simple question… what say you?

“Yes” or “No”?

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

What you say couldn’t be further from the truth. 

First of all,  you are delusional if you think that RESOLUTIONS to completely DIFFERENT doctrines can be created through people asking “simple” yes or no questions and then people answering with a simple yes or no. 

Resolutions to defining Christ, when views are completely different,  aren’t made by asking a simple yes or no question, like I said you would have to be delusional to think so.

You doctrine is completely different than mine on MANY levels, so to speak. I would say that you have MANY things wrong, as you would say I have many things wrong.  Unfortunately all the levels tie together for the most part, and things have to be drawn out with many levels explained in order to comprehend  one level. 

I give long posts because I want to be thorough so people can comprehend the truth, so people can come out of the many false beliefs they have, often times I spend hours reading hundreds of scriptures before I post, and according to you I do that because I just want to be deceptive, as I have nothing better to do with my time.

For the RECORD Ed J, I am NOT the ONLY person on this forum that gives LONG posts, some of those who have similar doctrine than yours that you often agree with, also give VERY LONG posts, so I am to believe by your own word that they must NOT be seeking resolution either and their intent is likewise deception too. 

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.

Does Luke 2:11 say: Christ the Lord is born this day in the city of David?

ME: NO, 

Luke 2:11 SAYS, “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.”

Ed J,

Does Luke 2:10 say, “10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which SHALL BE to all people.”

Yes or No

Does Genesis 22:18 say, “18 And IN THY SEED shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Yes or No

Does Galatians 3:8 say, “And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the Gospel unto Abraham, saying, IN THEE shall all nations be blessed.”

Yes or No

[Ed J]

Ed J,

Does Luke 2:10 say, “10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which SHALL BE to all people.”

Hi Jodi,

Yes

You only get one question at a time, we need to take turns
my next question is in the following post…

[Ed J]

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.

Does Luke 2:11 say: Christ the Lord is born this day in the city of David?

Edj….yes, that scripture does say that.

ME: NO,

Luke 2:11 SAYS, “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.”

HiJodi,

are you claiming the meanings are different?
“Yes” or “No”?

Gene didn’t think so

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

and according to you I do that because I just want to be deceptive,

Bearing false witness is sin

[Ed J]

For the RECORD Ed J, I am NOT the ONLY person on this forum that gives LONG posts, some of those who have similar doctrine than yours that you often agree with, also give VERY LONG posts

Really, who?

[Ed J]

Hi Ed J,

What you say couldn’t be further from the truth.

First of all, you are delusional if you think that RESOLUTIONS to completely DIFFERENT doctrines can be created through people asking “simple” yes or no questions and then people answering with a simple yes or no.

Hi Jodi,

Answering “Yes” or “No” defines what you believe.
Then all the verses you appear to be neglecting can
be put into focus and discussed: “one point at a time”
that is the process in which resolution can be achieved.

[Jodi]

Hi All,

The infant Jesus would BE a savior, such is why the angel said that he brings good tidings of great joy that SHALL BE to ALL people in VERSE 10 prior to verse 11. 

Just as he SHALL BE a savior, he too SHALL BE called the Son of the Highest according to the angel.

Jesus, Isaiah, and Acts tell us that Jesus was Chrio made Christos at the river Jordan when the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove and it is by NO COINCIDENCE that God declares at that moment, “THIS is my beloved Son“.  After the Spirit descended upon him, having the Spirit of God, he is said to be the Son of Man given authority. Jesus says himself after the Spirit descended upon him, that he AS the Son of Man is master over the Sabbath,  that he as the Son of Man is a master able to forgive sins and heal.

This anointed master, the Son of the Highest, saves us by God perfecting him through suffering on the cross unto his death, by such he is said to be our source of our eternal salvation.

[Jodi]

Hi Ed J,

I am not necessarily FOR or AGAINST a yes or no question, there can be a time and place for them, but they certainly should not be held to a simple yes or no, if the person answering the question feels it is necessary to give an explanation. To proclaim giving an explanation to a yes or no answer just means deception, is pure foolishness, it’s mad.

In my experience I have come across yes or no questions that themselves don’t hold truth so they are impossible to answer. Also in my experience people have asked yes or no questions when they already knew what the person’s belief was that pertained to the question, they are wasting time. Sometimes I am not on this forum for days and it seems likewise is the same for you, so going back and forth with simple yes and no questions without explanations is just STUPID IMO. 

I am going to cut the crap here, so to speak Ed J, and if you don’t like the fact I am not giving a simple yes or no then you can ignore me from here on out! 

The angel as I just said in my previous post said in verse 10 that he was speaking of good tidings of great joy THAT SHALL BE, and you and I BOTH KNOW that the INFANT did not save us, so why was he called a savior? One thing you should KNOW, is the infant had to grow up and be PERFECTED in order to BE our savior, our source for eternal life.  To BE TECHNICAL, it is said by the angel  “a savior, WHICH IS Christ the Lord“.

If the angel speaks of the infant as what he SHALL BE which is a savior years later by his death, and it is THAT SAVIOR which is Christ the Lord, then the infant is obviously not yet anointed the master. Which makes perfect sense given the fact that the infant was not a master over anyone. He became a master once he had grown to be a MAN and the Spirit descended upon him like a dove, where God said, “THIS is my beloved Son.” Not only that but it wasn’t until then that fame spread about him and people beheld his glory. How such matches perfectly with the angels other words speaking prior in Luke 1.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

The infant Jesus according to the angel in Luke 1 SHALL BE GREAT and it is BECAUSE of what we are told shortly after in Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted*, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 

 

 

[Ed J]

In my experience I have come across yes or no questions that themselves don’t hold truth so they are impossible to answer.

“I don’t know” is also an answer

[Jodi]

Hello ALL,

I would like to ADD to my previous statement,

Jesus, Isaiah, and Acts tell us that Jesus was Chrio made Christos at the river Jordan when the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove and it is by NO COINCIDENCE that God declares at that moment, “THIS is my beloved Son“.  After the Spirit descended upon him, having the Spirit of God, he is said to be the Son of Man given authority. Jesus says himself after the Spirit descended upon him, that he AS the Son of Man is master over the Sabbath,  that he as the Son of Man is a master able to forgive sins and heal. Such is the essence to the meaning that CHRIST came in the flesh. Jesus says in Luke 4 that he was anointed and sent, and when he came to the people as the Son of Man of ANOINTED FLESH he was given authority, as God’s Spirit was in him and with him. 

 

[Ed J]

(1) I am not necessarily FOR or AGAINST a yes or no question, there can be a time and place for them, but they certainly should not be held to a simple yes or no, if the person answering the question feels it is necessary to give an explanation.

(2) I am going to cut the crap here, so to speak Ed J, and if you don’t like the fact I am not giving a simple yes or no then you can ignore me from here on out!

Hi Jodi,

1) Of course you are free to offer an explanation for your answer

2) I will continue to ask y/n questions periodically,
Refusing to answer shows your decelerate
choosing to avoid reconciliation

Your choice

“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD” (Isaiah 1:18)
“If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword (Isaiah 1:19-20)

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God bless
Ed J

[GeneBalthrop]

Edj……JODI is absolutely right, you people find one scripture you can twist to promote your false belifs that Jesus preexisted his berth, and was already a savior and  anointed being at berth,  so you can present as Jesus being different then the rest of humanity , while at the same time denying hundreds of scriptures that show differently, and when presented with those other scriptures, you people simply ignore them, as if they don’t exist in your bible text, and refuse to answer them  and go back to your one or two scripture you can twist to promote your false teachings.

In the “sum” of  scriptures, truth found,  not one scripture misunderstood, in the light of all the many other scriptures that give the sound and true understandings.

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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