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You: TC…..THE HOLY SPIRIT and power, that Jesus recieved, he recieved at the Jordan river, exactly as scripture clearly says . You have no scripture that say other wise.
You make the man Jesus into the word of God, that also is a lie, Jesus never said he was the word of God anywhere in scripture. But he did say this, ” the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words, but the words of him who sent me.”Me:
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him…10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me.
Me: When the Messiah had said that the words he speaks are not of himself, he means that the words he speaks bears witness not of just himself but the Father who has sent him. When the Messiah said that his Father does the works, he is bearing witness of his Father.
John 8:16… for I am NOT ALONE, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear WITNESS OF MYSELF, and the FATHER that sent ME BEARETH WITNESS OF ME. 19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
Me: When Christ spoke the words of his Father, he bears witness of himself and his Father bears witness of him.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Me: There are two witness here, the Father and his Word. The Word in Christ is the same as the Word in God. The man Christ followed and was led by the holy spirit completely—100%.
Gene:
You: That alone should tell you Jesus “himself” is not the word, but if you can’t believe what Jesus himself clearly said, in simple and clear terms, then how can we expect any truth from you.
Me:
Rev 19:12 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war…13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Me: You have still not shown me what you think this means.
Gene,
You: The Jesus you preach is not a son of man, and a son of God “exactly” as we are. , you preach a different Jesus a non flesh human Jesus, you deny that he “HAD” to be anointed after he became an adult in order to become filled with the HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER, in order to fulfill the will of God and become the Messiah of God.
Your own words deny his “NEEDED” TO BE ANOINTED with HOLY SPIRIT in order to become the Messiah of God, you even doubt his “only’ existence as a human being who came into his existence “exactly” as we do , and therefore “had” to be anointed to do God’s will and become a son of God, exactly as we all do.
You are a preacher of him that “seperates” Jesus from his brothers and sisters, as all “ANTICHRIST’S ” do, even more you make Jesus into a God , and are therefore are commiting IDOLATRY.
You are in the wide way of all christendom , that is leading into destruction. I advise you to look for the narrow and straight way the leads to life, time is short.Me: Gene, I answered all these questions above. I believe you are in a hypnotic state of some kind. I have shown you all the scriptures proving that the Messiah had the holy spirit from conception. You have not even bothered to address this.
Gene:
You: TC…..by the way , I was taking about the “man” Jesus, when I said he was tempted in every way as we are, it was you who brought up GOD “NOT” ME. And GOD CAN NOT BE TEMPTED TO SIN, FOR God does not sin,but Jesus sure could be tempted by sin,as it says he was tempted in all mannor as we are and yet without sin.
Me: Totally false. You still have not addressed the scriptures I have shown you namely Exodus 17:2 and Duet 6:16.
You: Your so screw up thinking JESUS IS God, you arn’t even able to distinguish the difference. JESUS SAID HE WAS A SON OF MAN ABOUT 80 OR SO TIMES, GOD ON THE OTHER HAND SAID HE WAS “NOT” A MAN, NOR A SON OF MAN, so bate and switch that around if you can. I AM SURE YOU BOYS CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING to also obscure those words to, as you do the rest of our clearly written scriptures.
Me: No Gene, look it the mirror. I have shown you all the scriptures.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men…14 And the Word was made (became one with) flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER,) full of grace and truth.
Me: All things were made by the Word. The flesh (mind of the flesh) grew in its bond with the Word and became one with the Word. All things were made by the Word who became the son of God fully and with power by the resurrection from the dead and after his ascension into heaven. So, all things were made by the Son of God, who is the Word now. The Word shown himself as an angel of the Lord, a burning bush, etc. in the OT. He has revealed himself as the Son of God now (Heb 10:5).
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Me: You do not comprehend who God is and are a manipulator and deceiver.
Hi Anthony,
YOU: Jesus Christ wasn’t created.” Just one of the people” come on!!
ME: You are speaking incorrectly of what I have said. You are absolutely right, Jesus The Anointed was not MADE “just one of the people”, Jesus was one of the people who God MADE into The Anointed, where God set him a part from the people giving him the full measure and power of His Spirit in order that he could carry out God’s will.
God’s word tells us directly that the ONE who He called into righteousness, who He would not give His glory to any other to, is one of the people of His creation who He gave the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah speaks of the WORD of God that had been WITH God before the world was. When God created the heavens, spread the earth, gave people the breath of life and a spirit to walk therein, He also HELD in HIS WORD this covenant that Isaiah speaks of, it can rightly be said that God made all things through this covenant, as it can also be said that He made all things through His promise of redemption and eternal life. TRUE to also say that God made all things through and for the one who He would call into righteousness and give His glory to.
Such is how God’s WORD works, as before the world was His purpose and plan was held in His WORD, where ALL things that came to be and are coming to be were in the beginning WITH God in His WORD.
THIS was in the beginning before the world was IN God’s WORD that was WITH Him until the time it was fulfilled, ” God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;” and likewise this, “And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him”
Hi Anthony,
I believe that Gene and I are interested in the word of God concerning Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of man who gives us our everlasting life, whom God anointed with His Spirit, and then was sent out to complete God’s will that God had purposed before the world was.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man (anthropos/human) shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Acts 2: 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Hi Anthony,
How is it that Jesus has the authority to forgive sins and heal?
Because he pre-existed? NO!!
Because he was anointed as Jesus said himself he was anointed, fulfilling Isaiah’s prophecy having the Spirit rest upon him, where he is MADE a MASTER, doing God’s work and NOT HIS OWN.
FIRST he is a HUMAN of the offspring of Jesse, then he is an ANOINTED human made a master. He is THEN perfected BECOMING our source for eternal salvation, and thus it can be rightly said, good tidings of great joy for all people have been fulfilled through our savior which is Christ the Lord.
1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD— 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
Don’t you get it Anthony? Jesus said he could do nothing of himself, such makes whatever former self you believe he was, of NO USE.
As a child he would grow knowing to choose the good over the evil, not because he was of a former self, but BECAUSE God’s grace was upon him, and then he was anointed at the river and sent out into the world with his fame, honor, and glory beginning in Galilee, where it was then he was seen as the Messiah the Lord, being a Son of Man who is master over the Sabbath, and Son of Man having the authority to forgive sins and heal people. He was able to perform signs and miracles because he had been given the power of God’s Spirit, not because a former self was in him.
Jesus is The Christ BECAUSE God’s Spirit “visited him”, “rested upon him”, was placed “upon him”.
You speak absolute antichrist, you and others! You say Jesus is The Christ because a former self was in him.
JESUS is The Christ BECAUSE God ANOINTED him with His Spirit, just as Jesus told us quoting from Isaiah.
People who KNEW the word of God spoken by the prophets KNEW Jesus was the Christ according to prophecy which had NOTHING to do with an already existing son being sent down to earth as God’s anointed, it had everything to do with Abraham and David’s seed having God’s Spirit rest upon that seed, as had been promised by God.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed (SPERMA) of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
The CHRIST does not come from a former self, our Christ comes from the SPERMA of David.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Abraham’s SPERMA Jesus of Nazareth, was ANOINTED by the Spirit of God making him the Christos.
JESUS is The Christ BECAUSE of a promise God gave concerning him as the seed of Abraham. He is NOT the Christ because he is a former self. All nations are blessed THROUGH the SEED of Abraham, a Son of Man who God made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death to be crowned with glory, and receive dominion over all the works of God’s hands.
The ONE that sits at God’s right hand IS THE SON OF MAN, God has given a SON OF MAN AUTHORITY over YOU ANTHONY.
Acts 17: 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 BECAUSE HE hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that MAN whom he hath ORDAINED; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Jodi…..So clear, so right, so simple, and they can not understand it, because their minds have been so corrupted by false teachings over many, many years, they are incapable of discerning the truth, it seems.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Anthony……I certanily do not worship Jesus “as” a GOD, I Bow my knee to him, to the glory of God. I have a God I worship as God, and it’ the same God, my brother Jesus has, and also WORSHIPS.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
It is astonishing as they have no clue as to WHO paid for their sins, the anointed Son of Man who God perfected through the work of His Spirit.
They deny Jesus’s words that he spoke of concerning himself, “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost”, and it was God who SENT this Son of Man to save that which was lost after He had placed His Spirit upon him, making him the BREAD from heaven, that would bring life.
Hi All,
TRUE STATEMENT,
God’s WORD in the beginning contained the Son of Man to come to save that which was lost. The one that God made the world by means of and for, who He would give dominion to all the works of His hand to, had COME to his OWN, but his OWN did not receive him.
Hi All,
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 DECLARING the END from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That which was DECLARED, THE WORD given from the beginning was a PROMISE of ETERNAL LIFE.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, PROMISED before the world began;
Last I checked a person’s PROMISE was their WORD.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Such is the SAME, God’s WORD that was in the beginning, Jesus of Nazareth who would be perfected and die on the cross for our sins, equating to our source for eternal life.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Hebrews 5: 9 After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him
Hi TC,
YOU: All things were made by the Word. The flesh (mind of the flesh) grew in its bond with the Word and became one with the Word. All things were made by the Word who became the son of God fully and with power by the resurrection from the dead and after his ascension into heaven. So, all things were made by the Son of God, who is the Word now. The Word shown himself as an angel of the Lord, a burning bush, etc. in the OT. He has revealed himself as the Son of God now (Heb 10:5).
ME: ALL things were made by God through His Spirit and by His WISDOM. By His powerful Spirit He speaks and it is accomplished. Sometimes His words are fulfilled at that moment, “let there be light”, where other times His Word is kept WITH Him to be later fulfilled. The WORD that John speaks of in chapter 1 is God’s WORD of eternal life that was promised before the world began that would be later fulfilled. This WORD equates to the Son of Man that was to come to save that which was lost. The Son of Man was The WORD that was also in the beginning, as the Son of Man and our promise of eternal life go together hand in hand they are one and the same, you don’t have eternal life without the Son of Man, and without the Son of Man you don’t have eternal life, such is was God determined purpose when HE created the world.
God would not have created the world without His promise of eternal life, He created the world by means of and for the Son of Man that would fulfill His promise of eternal life. Nothing would have been made, if God hadn’t planned the END before the beginning, and that end is eternal life to mankind, which Jesus is the firstborn of. When he has put all enemies under his feet, as God had promised the SON OF MAN would do, he hands the kingdom over to His God.
I am thinking you posted the wrong passage as Hebrews 10 tells us that the sacrifice of Jesus was a one time sacrifice for all sins for all time, unlike the annual sacrifices that the Israelites repeatedly made to atone for their sins.
Hi TC,
The God of Jesus created heaven and earth, He MAKETH ALL THINGS, and He gives all the works of HIS HANDS to the SON OF MAN, this is what we are DIRECTLY TOLD.
Why don’t you believe this an apply it to other passages?
John 1 is not about Jesus pre-existing as God’s word, and it is certainly not saying that Jesus made heaven and earth. John 1 is about God’s WORD that was in the beginning that contained Jesus the Son of Man who would be made PERFECT and become our source for eternal life. Eternal life is God’s WORD and it was WITH Him to be later fulfilled and is Him, because our God is LIFE, and it is He who is our savior by means of the Son of Man.
Our Heavenly Father DECLARED the END from the beginning, He made all things by means of and for that ENDING, which is the Son of Man who received dominion over all the works of God’s hands to fulfill God’s will and bring all the earth to the knowledge of God so that God could be all in all.
Isaiah 44:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 44: 23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
1 Timothy 2: 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Psalm 8: 1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
You make the man Jesus into the word of God, that also is a lie, Jesus never said he was the word of God anywhere in scripture. But he did say this, ” the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words, but the words of him who sent me.”
No Gene,
Religion has done that
Hi Gene,
It is astonishing as they have no clue as to WHO paid for their sins, the anointed Son of Man who God perfected through the work of His Spirit.
Hi Jodi,
As an active member of – The Ordinary Jesus Brigade – How do you account for this…
“None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)
Jodi…..So clear, so right, so simple, and they can not understand it, because their minds have been so corrupted by false teachings over many, many years, they are incapable of discerning the truth, it seems.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Wrong Gene,
Jodi’s ideas are long winded and extremely convoluted
…if she could keep things simple – I could have a meaningful dialog with her
“None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)
Edj,
The above is a good one!
“None of them can by any means redeem his brother,
The above confirms that Jesus though in all things like His brethren, HE IS NOT OF THE WORLD!
AN AUTHENTIC BROTHER! But only a brother in relation to:
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, simply in
ENGRAFTED IN ALL HUMAN HEARTS AS THEIR LIFE SOURCE!
A TREASURE HIDDEN IN A FIELD.
nor give to God a ransom for him”
Again the above confirms that NONE OF THE HUMANS ON EARTH ARE WITHOUT A BLEMISH, all satanic!
ONLY “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, IS THE
JUSTIFIED RANSOM,
A LAMB WITHOUT A BLEMISH,
Jesus became an authentic EARTHLY human being, on His resurrection, born anew, FOR THE SAKE OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, from the dead, simply as HE GAVE HIS DIVINE BODY, a property prepared specifically from the Father, as a ransom IN EXCHANGE FOR THE HUMAN BODY.
A BODY preserved for the last day of the Lord.
1Peter 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy hath regenerated us unto a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead: 4Unto an inheritance, incorruptible, and undefiled and that cannot fade, reserved in heaven for you, 5Who, by the power of God, are kept by faith unto salvation, ready to be revealed in the last time.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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