The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The will of God is yet to be obeyed as it is in heaven

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Do you have peace and joy in the HolySpirit?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Yes.
King Jesus will rule the earth ps 2

[Ed J]

Then the kingdom of God has arrived.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

The kingdom is likened to a field planted.

The harvest is yet to come.

[kerwin]

Nick,
The field is planted. You are speaking about where the harvest is stored.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The plant is not the seed it springs from.
1 cor 15

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
“and that which you sow , you do NOT sow the body which is to be..”

[kerwin]

Nick,

Jesus is not speaking of the body in the parable of the wheat and the weeds(tare). He is speaking of the obedient and the disobedient that grow in the field together until the harvest. The disobedience are tossed into the flames and the obedient are stored in the barn.

Both took a pledge of a clear conscious before God and so are members of the kingdom but it is a kingdom where God’s will is not done as it is in heaven. It is only when the disobedient are removed that it will become the kingdom where God’s will is done on earth as it is in heaven.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
What I quoted was from 1Cor 15 in reference to the NEW BODY, not the parable

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Only wheat can grow from a wheat grain.
The tares have another seed.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So tares cannot become wheat by obedience or vice versa.
test the spirits

[kerwin]

Nick,

They do not become wheat in the parable of the wheat and the tares.

Only wheat can grow from a wheat grain.
The tares have another seed.

Yes.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So your point about the tares being disobedient ones is not valid/

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Yes the first obedience required is to be born again of water and the Spirit.
Then we must be obedient in seeking grace from the throne of grace.

God does the rest

[kerwin]

Nick,

Hi KW,
So your point about the tares being disobedient ones is not valid/

In that parable the kingdom of heaven is the man who field it was and who sowed good seed. His enemy sowed the bad seed in his field. I look at the field as the kingdom but technically the Jesus said the man that owned the field is the kingdom. Both the obedient and disobedient are in his field until the time of harvest. At that time the disobedient will be destroyed and the obedient will be placed in the barn of the kingdom.

He interprets it anyways.

Matthew 13:41-42Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,

So God did not sow the tares.

They never belonged in the kingdom

[kerwin]

Nick,

The disobedient are currently in the kingdom and will be gathered out with the harvest.

[GeneBalthrop]

Kerwin……scripture seems to deal with two types of the kingdom of God, one speritual, the other physical. I think kerwin some times people get these mixed up, easy to do imo. Scripture says Jesus will return and sit as king over the kingdom his father, King David, established this physically on this earth, with the resurrected saints of God.

We aso know that the kingdom of God can be understood in a spritual sense to, as God the Father’s will being done now in us, this is spoken of as the kingdom of God that comes without oberservation, it is a spritual kingdom where God rules in the hearts of men.

So if God rules in the heart and mind of a person then it will also be physically manifested through that persons life. The kingdom of God is within him even if he is a physical flesh and blood person. The idea flesh and blood can’t “itself” inherit it is true, in the sense flesh is physical and the kingdom of God is spritual. But those who preach fleshed blood can’t be in it are wrong. Jesus prayed Thy kingdom come thy will be done IN EARTH,AS IN HEAVEN, NOW IF IT IS ONE IN THIS EARTH IT HAS TO INCLUDE ALL OFOR GOD’S PHYSICAL CREATION TOO. I do not believe that God is going to wipe out every physical thing he created and turn everything to spirit.

Scripture tells us God so loved the world, and I don’t think he is about to completely destroy what he created, but is going to deliver it from the BONDAGE of coruption, God has not created this world in vain as some would have us believe.

Peace and love to you and yours………………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,

So YOU say.

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