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Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:28) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,14:12) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,10:45) “Hi David, Yes, David, my finger is definitely part of me.”
Yes, but:
Is your finger “You”?
.
YES!
Ed, you acknowledge that your finger is “a part of you.”You at the same time say that your finger is “you.”
So, if you think the holy spirit is God, do you at the same time think it is a part of God?
As in, the “finger” (holy spirit) of God is a part of God?
Hi David,My finger is part of me and is me. (Link)
My finger was with me,
my finger is me.“The Word” of God was with God,
and “The Word” of God was God!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:34) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,18:32) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,18:15)
God did not create the holy spirit, for it is “of” him, his finger, his arm, his force, a part of him.
Hi David,Are you not suggesting that God has(?) “two” spirit?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Again, NO.As I said:
Quote This is precisely what I am suggesting: 1. “god is (a) spirit…”
And:
2. God has something called his holy spirit. It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1
You keep continually repeatedly asking me if I think God HAS 2 spirits?
No. Again, No. The Bible: “God IS (a) spirit.”
This verse doesn't say that he HAS a spirit Ed. It says he IS a spirit, or he is spirit. Not “has.” “is.”One more time, No.
Remember how you said your finger was a “part of you.” Well, I think that God's finger is a part of him.
So, God IS a spirit.–The Bible.
And, God's finger is a part of him (and not him) much like your finger is a part of you.
Hi David,God is Spirit. (John 4:24)
God is Holy. (Lev. 11:45)
HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Nick,
Matthew 6:10 was spoken before “Pentecost”.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,19:55) Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:34) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,18:32) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,18:15)
God did not create the holy spirit, for it is “of” him, his finger, his arm, his force, a part of him.
Hi David,Are you not suggesting that God has(?) “two” spirit?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Again, NO.As I said:
Quote This is precisely what I am suggesting: 1. “god is (a) spirit…”
And:
2. God has something called his holy spirit. It is spoken of in the bible as something he posseses, not as something he is, unlike #1
You keep continually repeatedly asking me if I think God HAS 2 spirits?
No. Again, No. The Bible: “God IS (a) spirit.”
This verse doesn't say that he HAS a spirit Ed. It says he IS a spirit, or he is spirit. Not “has.” “is.”One more time, No.
Remember how you said your finger was a “part of you.” Well, I think that God's finger is a part of him.
So, God IS a spirit.–The Bible.
And, God's finger is a part of him (and not him) much like your finger is a part of you.
Hi David,God is Spirit. (John 4:24)
God is Holy. (Lev. 11:45)
HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote God is Spirit. (John 4:24)
God is Holy. (Lev. 11:45)
HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)Edj,
These scriptures are proof that the Holy Spirit is God.
John 15:26 When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER, he will testify about me
SO,IF HE GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER ,HE IS GOD.
Hebrews 10: 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Jeremia 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
It is clear enough that Jeremiah 31:33:34, the words are spoken by God.
The same words are referred to in Hebrews and according to Paul they are pronounced by the Holy Spirit.
So the Holy Spirit is God.
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Nick,
“God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them” (2Cor 6:16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
God is in heaven,
But His Spirit can manifest in many.
God is at work in them to will and to do.[Phil2]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,05:46) Hi ED,
And after Pentecost none prayed to the Spirit of God but to God in the Spirit.
Hi Nick,We pray silently, do we not? (Matt.6:6)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
Yes we are temples of the Spirit of Christ in God and that Spirit helps us pray to God.[Rom8]
Together we make us a larger temple of God in the Spirit.[Eph2]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2012,05:57) Hi ED,
Indeed God does by His Spirit.
Hi Nick,Yes, we have drawn a big circle again.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,02:46) Scenarios that illustrate YOUR belief
DO NOT PROVE YOUR BELIEF! Get real!Is this SOOO hard for you to understand?
I have understood your belief from the getgo.
Produce some real evidence, not fairytale stories!
Are not all the times the Holy Spirit is called “the Spirit OF God” enough, Ed?
If scripture said “Spirit OF God” only once, it would be enough proof to support what David has been telling you. But it says it a hundred times. How much proof do you need?
Ed, is “the wrath of God” God Himself? Is “the love of God” God Himself? Is “the angel of God” God Himself? Is “the Son of God” God Himself?
You know all these things are not God, but things God POSSESSES. You know this simply because of the word “OF” in many cases. Why is it that your brain stops working properly when it comes to the “the Holy Spirit OF God”?
Quote (carmel @ Feb. 28 2012,12:46) Edj, These scriptures are proof that the Holy Spirit is God.
John 15:26 When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER, he will testify about meSO,IF HE GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER ,HE IS GOD.
Has not all of creation gone out from the Father?What goes out from the Father is not the Father Himself, but something that goes out FROM Him.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,19:20) Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:06) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,18:16) Hi David, I will explain things the way you explain things; OK?
If a person is missing and the cops are are looking
for a dead body in a vacant lot near their house.If a cop sees a “finger” sticking up out of the dirt,
will they not shout I found him over here?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, I'm not sure why you are finally agreeing with me, but thank you for making my point.david.
The funny thing is, I don't think you even understand that you just restated what I have said about 15 times.
Hi David,They ONLY saw a “finger” and they said they found “HIM”.
Our finger is definitely us, not something apart from us.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I never said god holy spirit was “apart” from him.Exactly the opposite. I said it was a “part” of him. (hence, the biblical finger usage)
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,19:28) Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:15) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,18:21) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:44) Hi David,
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much
rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?A. The “Father of Spirits” is the “HolySpirit”.
B. The HolySpirit is one of the “spirits”(?) that the Father of Spirits is the father of.
C. The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Are you Not claiming that The HolySpirit doesn't apply(?) to Heb.12:9.
Certainly I have made the point that “A” and “B” are the ONLY two possibilities.If you suggest “C” is a possibility, then what evidence do you have to support this claim?
Do you still not understand my point? WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM OF “C”?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Jacket,Will you please address this post?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ARGUMENT:1. THE WAY PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE A PART OF OTHERS (THEY SPEAK AS IF THE PART OF THEM WAS THEM):
YOUR EXAMPLE:
“If a person is missing and the cops are are looking
for a dead body in a vacant lot near their house.If a cop sees a “finger” sticking up out of the dirt,
will they not shout I found him over here?”IN THIS EXAMPLE, WE SEE THAT THE FINGER, WHICH IS PART OF THE PERSON IS SPOKEN OF AS BEING THE PERSON. “I FOUND HIM,” WHEN THEY FOUND THE FINGER, WHICH OF COURSE REPRESENTS HIM.
2. IN SCRIPTURE, GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT IS REPEATEDLY SPOKEN OF IN A WAY THAT SHOWS IT IS “OF” HIM, A PART OF HIM…HIS FINGER FOR EXAMPLE.
Elbow, these are the two lines of evidence I have shown you many times. I'm not totally certain, but it seems you understand the first line of reasoning. I'm absolutely certain you use such types of phrases in every day language, since virtually everyone does.
(And Elbow, since you have said that your elbow IS you, it should not bother you that I call “you” this if this indeed is what “you” are. For me, my elbow is simply A PART OF me.)
david
Hi David,This post has NOTHING to do with my quote.
Will you please address my quote?
Why are you dodging it?You must keep Heb.12:9 and Acts5:3-4 as separate
issues to discuss; OK? You quoted Heb.12:9 here!DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE FOR “C” OR DO YOU ACCEPT “A”?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If scripture (gods holy spirit being spoken of possessively 100 times) is NOT evidence, as you say, and if you do not understand common grade 4 English (the way you yourself speak about things that you possess) then apparently I have no evidence you will accept…other than the whole of scripture which speaks of the holy spirit in a way that doesn't allow for it to be “god.”But if you want to only focus on this scripture and we are not allowed to look at the whole of scripture and if you do not understand “of” or how it is “Gods” holy spirit, HIS finger, and if you really don't understand that people say things like “I kissed Ed” and “I kissed eds lips,” that it is plain that your lips stand for or represent you, as they are part of you, then there is no hope for you to understand this.
I have repeatedly asked for you to present an actual argument for your case. I haven't looked at the next couple pages, but can only imagine you have not done this. Why?
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,19:37) Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:15) Quote
Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit, and to keep back part of
the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?
why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.ARGUMENT:
1. THE WAY PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE A PART OF OTHERS (THEY SPEAK AS IF THE PART OF THEM WAS THEM):
YOUR EXAMPLE:
“If a person is missing and the cops are are looking
for a dead body in a vacant lot near their house.If a cop sees a “finger” sticking up out of the dirt,
will they not shout I found him over here?”IN THIS EXAMPLE, WE SEE THAT THE FINGER, WHICH IS PART OF THE PERSON IS SPOKEN OF AS BEING THE PERSON. “I FOUND HIM,” WHEN THEY FOUND THE FINGER, WHICH OF COURSE REPRESENTS HIM.
2. IN SCRIPTURE, GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT IS REPEATEDLY SPOKEN OF IN A WAY THAT SHOWS IT IS “OF” HIM, A PART OF HIM…HIS FINGER FOR EXAMPLE.
Elbow, these are the two lines of evidence I have shown you many times. I'm not totally certain, but it seems you understand the first line of reasoning. I'm absolutely certain you use such types of phrases in every day language, since virtually everyone does.
(And Elbow, since you have said that your elbow IS you, it should not bother you that I call “you” this if this indeed is what “you” are. For me, my elbow is simply A PART OF me.)
david
Hi David,Your rudementary logic will not cause me to disbelieve Acts 5:3-4; which you call weak.
NOW PLEASE ANSWER Heb.12:9; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
It is weak “proof” given that it can be understood in more than one way and given that the whole of scripture disagrees with your understanding.Please stop saying I consider it week. I consider your argument and the use of acts weak to prove your case.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,19:46) Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2012,16:24) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,14:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,10:06) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 26 2012,20:30) Hi David, My finger is me, my elbow is me, my spirit is me.
See the words I bolded, Ed? Those are English words that indicate POSSESSION – just like the English word “OF”.The fact that it is YOUR finger shows that it is not you, but something you POSSESS. (You could also call it “the finger OF Ed”, which would convey the same meaning.)
Hi Mike,Why do you play word games to support your 'theories'? (Acts 18:15)
God bless
Ed J
Ed, I really really really really fail to understand how these are word games.This is precisely and exactly what we are discussing.
If you think that your Elbow IS you, and not a part “of” you, then I really think we should begin with that thought.
If you don't think that idea is weird, I want you to go around telling everyone that your elbow is not a part of you, but that it is you. (Notice the expression on their faces. Is it confusion, a smile, a smirk, what?)
Say to them: “My elbow is not a part of me. It is me.”
Hi David / Mike, I will speak plainly to you both here…Scenarios that illustrate YOUR belief
DO NOT PROVE YOUR BELIEF! Get real!Is this SOOO hard for you to understand?
I have understood your belief from the getgo.
Produce some real evidence, not fairytale stories!I produce Scriptures that we can discuss,
you have chosen word games that are USELESS!
Like a car spinning its tires on ice trying to get somewhere.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, I want to provide you with the evidence for your misunderstanding of COMMON LANGUAGE USAGE.I gave you an experiment that will show you through others what I mean:
“If you don't think that idea is weird, I want you to go around telling everyone that your elbow is not a part of you, but that it is you. (Notice the expression on their faces. Is it confusion, a smile, a smirk, what?)”
This will at the very least show you that others, everyone else most likely, disagrees with you.
Quote So, God IS a spirit.–The Bible.
And, God's finger is a part of him (and not him) much like your finger is a part of you.Hi David,
God is Spirit. (John 4:24)
God is Holy. (Lev. 11:45)
HolySpirit is God. (Acts 5:3-4)You can only put words like that together if they have actual scriptures backing them up. Acts 5:3-4 doesn't say the holy spirit is god.
Jesus was gods messenger (same word as angel)
Jesus is the chief messenger (being called the very “word” of god.)
Jesus is the arch angel.Jesus is also a spirit.
Jesus is also holy
Conclusion?The faithful angels are spirits
They are holy (a word that means clean)
Hence?
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