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Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2010,21:22) Adam, I fail to understand why you think John 14:26 infer the Spirit of God is subordinate to Jesus since it is God that sends it. It is sent in Jesus’ name, which can mean authority, but since God sends it he still is the ultimate authority. It is my understanding the Holy Spirit is appointed by God to be Jesus’ representative with his disciples. It is my understanding that this is congruent to a King decided to choose a Lord’s negotiator, answerable to him, to negotiate a treaty between that Lord and another Lord. I am basing this understanding mostly on John 14:25 and John 16:13. I do not see how you get that from John 16:7 either. I do see how you can from John 15:26 if taken in isolation but John 14:5 already made the point that God sends the Holy Spirit. In my previous answer to your point about the Spirit being subordinate to Jesus I pointed out that Jesus only does what God commands and so when Jesus acts it is God acting through him.
The Spirit is God’s own spirit of righteousness that teaches and trains believers in righteousness and in so doing intercedes between them and God according to God’s will for he desires a sinless people.
You inadvertently gave the address John 14:26 twice in support of the idea the Holy Spirit takes on the role of Jesus. It does become the teacher and trainer of Jesus’ disciples as he was but it is not him nor does it pretend to be him. What Jesus means is that its attribute of righteousness is his just as it is God’s.
You are accidently taking 1 Corinthians 12:11 in isolation without considering Jesus’ description of the Holy Spirit in John 16:13 that states the Spirit will desire only what God desires for after all he is God’s righteous desires.
I agree that Scripture does treat the Spirit as it has aspects of a person as well as being an attribute of God. I do not see the Spirit having a will.
Remember that when Jesus acts it is God acting through him and so if he forgives the sins of a person it is only because God forgives that person.
I do not see a problem with the N.T. I do see a problem with the hearts of men which are full of lies and deceptions even to the point of deceiving themselves. These unlearned men, controlled by their evil desire, can and do interpret scriptures in many corrupt ways. It is only those that are truly led by God who will interpret Scripture correctly.
Thanks again brother Kerwin for your patience in replying my posts. I agree to some extent what you quoted above. But I am not fully satisfied with such answers. I still feel N.T gives more weightage to Jesus than what was prophesied in Hebrew scriptures about their Messiah. I see Jesus was more than a man like Moses or you and me. Please see the arguments of many non-unitarians here I think they are also right in their arguments on what our N.T keep them convicted. Jesus is some how involved in God's creation and he is equal in functions with God as well as the Holy Spirit which I think as an another person apart from Father and son as defined by the N.T. I am still searching for answers for my queries from God and His people.Peace and good health to you
AdamQuote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2010,21:22) Adam, I fail to understand why you think John 14:26 infer the Spirit of God is subordinate to Jesus since it is God that sends it. It is sent in Jesus’ name, which can mean authority, but since God sends it he still is the ultimate authority. It is my understanding the Holy Spirit is appointed by God to be Jesus’ representative with his disciples. It is my understanding that this is congruent to a King decided to choose a Lord’s negotiator, answerable to him, to negotiate a treaty between that Lord and another Lord. I am basing this understanding mostly on John 14:25 and John 16:13. I do not see how you get that from John 16:7 either. I do see how you can from John 15:26 if taken in isolation but John 14:5 already made the point that God sends the Holy Spirit. In my previous answer to your point about the Spirit being subordinate to Jesus I pointed out that Jesus only does what God commands and so when Jesus acts it is God acting through him.
The Spirit is God’s own spirit of righteousness that teaches and trains believers in righteousness and in so doing intercedes between them and God according to God’s will for he desires a sinless people.
You inadvertently gave the address John 14:26 twice in support of the idea the Holy Spirit takes on the role of Jesus. It does become the teacher and trainer of Jesus’ disciples as he was but it is not him nor does it pretend to be him. What Jesus means is that its attribute of righteousness is his just as it is God’s.
You are accidently taking 1 Corinthians 12:11 in isolation without considering Jesus’ description of the Holy Spirit in John 16:13 that states the Spirit will desire only what God desires for after all he is God’s righteous desires.
I agree that Scripture does treat the Spirit as it has aspects of a person as well as being an attribute of God. I do not see the Spirit having a will.
Remember that when Jesus acts it is God acting through him and so if he forgives the sins of a person it is only because God forgives that person.
I do not see a problem with the N.T. I do see a problem with the hearts of men which are full of lies and deceptions even to the point of deceiving themselves. These unlearned men, controlled by their evil desire, can and do interpret scriptures in many corrupt ways. It is only those that are truly led by God who will interpret Scripture correctly.
Kerwin………….Well put brother. You have presented it right IMO. The Spirit of GOD is indeed the very Will of GOD and it was at work (IN) Jesus , just as it is in all who have it (IN) them. WE become one with GOD and Jesus through that same Spirit (intellect) given us from GOD the FATHER. In this way GOD will be (IN) All and through ALL>peace and love to you and yours Kerwin…………………………gene
Adam,
I am still learning to understand the writers of the New Testament as they wrote to those who hear and see from a spiritual point of view and my viewpoint is yet tainted by worldliness. I hope and pray to God who gives good things to those that seek him that he will cleanse me of unrighteousness.
I speak of what I have discovered is true as well as what might be true. Sometimes I am deceived.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2010,12:26) Adam, I am still learning to understand the writers of the New Testament as they wrote to those who hear and see from a spiritual point of view and my viewpoint is yet tainted by worldliness. I hope and pray to God who gives good things to those that seek him that he will cleanse me of unrighteousness.
I speak of what I have discovered is true as well as what might be true. Sometimes I am deceived.
Kerwindo not try to understand the writers ,you will miss the understanding of the spirit of Christ.
do you not understand that what is written is of God spirit
and so have to be understood in is whole
Pierre
To All! I have just one question for all of you that believe that the Holy Spirit is a person. It was who came to Mary and told Her that She will bear a Child. So is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus. Also we have ONE HOLY SPIRIT.
Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
How can God's Holy Spirit be in us all if He is a person?
Peace Irene
Quote (Baker @ Jan. 15 2011,09:38) To All! I have just one question for all of you that believe that the Holy Spirit is a person. It was who came to Mary and told Her that She will bear a Child. So is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus. Also we have ONE HOLY SPIRIT. Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
How can God's Holy Spirit be in us all if He is a person?
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,God is Spirit (as in an entity), not a person (as in a human). (John 4:24)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (barley @ Jan. 17 2011,00:02) Kerwin, God is the Holy Spirit. God is holy. God is spirit
barley
Hi Barley, Yes; you are correct!Lev.11:45 For I the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt,
to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy,
for I holy.
John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship in spirit and in truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2010,20:51) Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: YHVH GOD is One!
“FATHER:The Word” known in us believers of “HolySpirit“!Luke 8:5…11 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side;
and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock;
and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold.
And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said,
Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others
in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God.Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(TheSeed “IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force,
to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.Psalm 29:10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD(HolySpirit) sitteth King for ever. (Rev.19:11-19)
Psalm 10:16 The LORD(HolySpirit) is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.MaL.2:10 Have we not all one father(HolySpirit)? hath not one God(HolySpirit) created us?
why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?1Cor.8:6 But to us there is but “one” “God,the Father”(HolySpirit), of whom are all things,
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(HolySpirit).
Eph.4:6 One God(HolySpirit) and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.Above all: (AKJV Psalm 83:18)
Through all: (AKJV Gal.4:5-7)
In us all: (AKJV Eph.4:6)Eph.2:12-15 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ;
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;Luke 20:9-18 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard,
and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. And at the season he sent a servant
to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him,
and sent him away empty. And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully,
and sent him away empty. And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him
when they see him. But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir:
come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him.
What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen,
and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. And he beheld them, and said,
What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.Rev.16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.1Cor.1:17-23 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:
not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness;
but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written,
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;The ONLY rule I want us all to follow is: ONLY one question per Post.
If we follow that rule will all learn a lot from each other; OK everybody?
When more than one question is asked: Invariably the question we want answered most, doesn't get addressed!God bless you ALL…
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
“Witnessing” (AKJV Joshua 22:34) to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
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Ed J,The following post I copied from another thread because it fits quite well here.
God is the Holy Spirit. It is one of the names that God chooses to call himself. Jehohah, El, Elohim, Adonai, the Holy Spirit, etc.
But God has also imparted to those who are born again, the gift of holy spirit.
The intro was left in. It is reasonable background to the body of the text.
The post I copied:
Quote As knowledgeable and thinking believers recognize, Jesus Christ is not God, but rather the son of God. Scripture, in its original God breathed form, is a perfect and perfectly complete document for all of God's intended purposes.
Each book of the scriptures has a central theme.
The central subject of the entire scriptures is Jesus Christ, the son of God, the son of man, who is man's redeemer.
What for instance is the purpose of the book of John?
John 20:31 tells us why the book of John was written.
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Christ means “anointed”
Who anointed Jesus Christ?
Who, Biblically speaking, gets anointed?
Kings and priests get anointed.
But also believers, I John 2:27, get anointed.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.in the context, we do not need those who seduce us, to teach us God's written word. Why not? We have plenty of believers around us who are anointed, just as we are, that we can learn from.
The greatness of what we can know about God and his son is found in the written word. Not in the fables of those who would seduce us into falsehoods and idolatry.
Who anointed Jesus?
Acts 10:38
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
God anointed Jesus. Why is Jesus called simply Jesus in this verse and not Jesus Christ?
Christ means anointed. God anointed Jesus, until God anointed Jesus, Jesus was not anointed.
With what did God anoint Jesus with?
pneuma hagion and with power.
Thus, Jesus Christ did not have either pneuma hagion or power until God anointed him with it.
Moses ordained Joshua and the spirit of wisdom was imparted to Joshua
Deuteronomy 34:9
9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Elisha requested of Elijah that a double portion of the spirit that was upon Elijah be given to himself.
II Kings 2:9
9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
God is spirit,, John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
I Thessalonians 5:23
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 43:7
7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Believers are three part beings.
Body and soul and spirit.
One part was formed, one part was made, one part, the only part that is creditted with being able to glorify God, was created.
The body was formed of the dust of the ground. Genesis 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Ie, soul.
Soul was made to impart life to a body. Until the breath of life is imparted, the body was not a living soul.
What part was created?
What part was created in the image of God?
What is the image of God?
John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God created spirit for man and woman so that God and man could be “on the same page”.
Jesus Christ spoke of this. Flesh profits nothing, it is spirit that gives life. Ie, communication with God, the source of life.
Moses, Joshua needed spirit upon them in order to communicate with God.
Adam and Eve died on the very day that the disobeyed God.
What died?
The profitable part, the spirit, the image of God, that God had created for them.
No longer were they able to be on the same page with God.
They blew it, big time.
In our day and age, spirit is a gift from God.
Acts 2:4
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 11:16-18
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.Note especially, verse 17, “…God gave them the like gift…”
God is the Holy Spirit. God is holy. God is spirit
I Peter 1:16
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
And again John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God is the Holy Spirit.
God imparts spirit, his very nature, to those who believe.
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.II Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.How are we going to be partakers of God's divine nature, if we do not have some divine nature to utilize in our lives?
I Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
I John 3:1-3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.We are sons of God, by seed, spiritual seed.
Incorruptible seed.
Ephesians 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:Is being born again of incorruptible seed, spirit, spiritual seed a spiritual blessing? Yes, it made us partakers of the divine nature, it made us sons of God.
It is the spiritual seed in us that makes us literally sons of God.
Why then the word adoption in verse 5?
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
One reason, our body and soul was there because of our earthly parents, our father and mother is the reason for our body and soul. God adopted that part. But his seed in us, the spiritual part is the part that makes us sons of God.
Another reason, adoption in the culture of the times, gave rights to an adopted son that actually exceeded the rights of a b
iological son. Adopted sons can not be disinherited.God has like wise given us rights.
We are made righteous, we are justified and have peace with God, we are ministers of reconciliation, we are sanctified and redeemed.
Those rights can, in no way be taken away from us.
It is the spirit part of man that A and E lost, that allows us to glorify God.Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.Gift of holy spirit from God,
Gift of salvation from God.
Partakers of his divine nature?Are we seeing a pattern?
What works were we before ordained to do?
John 14:12
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Wow, we have got a lot to learn if we are going to know how to do that.
Good thing there is a lot of scripture that we did not cover, that instructs us about that.
John 14:12 is not something we can “leap of faith” into.
Where is “leap of faith” found in scriptures?
Walk in love, walk in light, walk circumspectly is found in Ephesians 5, but not “leap of faith”
Learning to do the works of Jesus Christ is a walk, not a plunge.
The first Adam lost it for us, the second Adam, Jesus Christ, regained it for us.
Romans 5:15
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Again, free gift.
Romans 5:17
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Did Jesus Christ reign in life?
So can we.
God's free gift of spirit, of salvation and the instructions in the written word of God, the logos of God is our means to learn to do so.
How do we know all of this?
Because it is written.
Because someone, many someone's took the time to teach me this, and much much more.
God's plan, his message, his logos, was with God in the beginning. What we have now as the written logos of God, was in God's foreknowledge in the beginning.
Your personal Bible was not with God in the beginning, but God already knew what would be written. God already knew what words, rhema, would communicate the logos, the thoughts behind the words used.
His logos is the heart of God to us.
God's love and foreknowledge is why the logos was with God and is God in the beginning.
God knew Adam and Eve would sin and lose their spiritual connection with life. God
God announced his plan to fix that way back in Genesis 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
I believe that this short exposition of the heart behind John 1:1 will help your understanding of what that verse is communicating.
Ephesians 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:barley
Hi All
It is believed by some that the Holy Spirit that the Father and Jesus sent is God the Father himself.
Some believe the Holy Spirit is merely a “force or power” from God the Father.
Others believe he is a distinct person who is subservient to the Father and Jesus and does not speak of his own.
What say you?
Blessings Keith
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:08) Hi All It is believed by some that the Holy Spirit that the Father and Jesus sent is God the Father himself.
Some believe the Holy Spirit is merely a “force or power” from God the Father.
Others believe he is a distinct person who is subservient to the Father and Jesus and does not speak of his own.
What say you?
Blessings Keith
Hi Keith:What do you say?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:15) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:08) Hi All It is believed by some that the Holy Spirit that the Father and Jesus sent is God the Father himself.
Some believe the Holy Spirit is merely a “force or power” from God the Father.
Others believe he is a distinct person who is subservient to the Father and Jesus and does not speak of his own.
What say you?
Blessings Keith
Hi Keith:What do you say?
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyI voted so that should tell you!
WJ
WJ:
I don't see that you voted, and if you did, for the sake of my understanding you, what are you saying about the Holy Spirit.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:27) WJ: I don't see that you voted, and if you did, for the sake of my understanding you, what are you saying about the Holy Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYou don't see I voted because you have not voted.
WJ
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:32) Hi WJ: I have already made it plain to you what I believe.
Love in Christ,
Marty
OKSo why can't you vote? I put your option in there.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:36) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:32) Hi WJ: I have already made it plain to you what I believe.
Love in Christ,
Marty
OKSo why can't you vote? I put your option in there.
WJ
Hi Keith:It is your thread. So, if you want convince others, that you are correct in what you teach. Why don't you vote, and see how many agree with you.
I am not going to vote. I don't need to see how man agree with me. I know what God has said through the scriptures.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 29 2011,06:36) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2011,14:32) Hi WJ: I have already made it plain to you what I believe.
Love in Christ,
Marty
OKSo why can't you vote? I put your option in there.
WJ
Hi Keith:It is your thread. So, if you want convince others, that you are correct in what you teach. Why don't you vote, and see how many agree with you.
I am not going to vote. I don't need to see how man agree with me. I know what God has said through the scriptures.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYour vote will be annonymous. No one can see how you voted or who voted for what.
WJ
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