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Quote (david @ July 16 2010,16:29) Ed, I suggest consulting a dictionary. I still truly believe you have no idea what personification is. If you did, you wouldn't have agreed with me.
Hi David,Is not the personal pronoun “Him” 'a personification'? (N.W.T. John 16:7)
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:30) Quote Hi David, 1John 4:4: Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is
he(HolySpirit) that is in you(Ed J), than he(2Cor.4:4) that is in the world. (Eph. 4:4-6)Ed. Perhaps you could explain why you quoted this scripture in connection with your quote from me:
Quote Your argument is that God is “holy” and God is a “spirit” therefore, God is “the” holy spirit.
Does anyone else think this is sound reasoning?
Hi David,What I have presented to you “Bible Truth”:
it is 'you' who wants to present an argument. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:32) Ed, since you obviously don't want to discuss this subject (or are unable) then lets go to where you want to go. 1) Are you starting your own religion?
2) How much exactly have you made from your donations towards your “research”?
3) If you have some sort of revealed truth, why are you the only one?
Hi David,It is you who is (once again) straying again from the “Title of the thread”.
Since it is you that is straying from the thread it is where 'you' want to go, not me!1) No
2) Please clarify?
3) Please expound on this new assertion?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:38) Quote The word 'above' is NOT in that verse? There are many words not in that verse. If you could explain your point.
Hi David,Sure, I was referring to this…
Quote (david @ July 16 2010,16:15) Quote Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, –ed.
So if the “holy spirit” is “God” then what does the above mean?–“And grieve not the 'God' of 'God'”?
What you offer in but another distraction!
That's like you saying God was with God, based on John 1:1?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Neither of these verses discount Matt.1:18 Matt.1:20 and Luke 1:35, so try again.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:38) (He's colored it red. He must be mad.)
Hi David,Is red the color of madness?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:43) Quote Hi David, I don't care what 'you think' or what 'you don't think'!
Your conversation proves otherwise. Stop conversing with me. I won't mind. But understand that you are unwilling to admit the existence of many scriptures.
Hi David,Your right I do care what you think, but not so much what you Post!
I admit there all there, from Gen.1:1 clear through to Rev.22:21, all 31102
of them! (Click here) 'Your' assertions of their meanings is what is in question!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:43) When people do this, I consider them blind.
Hi David,Isaiah 42:19: Who is blind, but my servant(Ed J)? or deaf, as my messenger(Ed J) that
I(JEHOVAH) sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now
ye say, We(the watchtower community) see; therefore 'your sin' remaineth.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ July 16 2010,16:46) Quote Let's discuss the matter for the readers benefit and yours! –Ed.
Ah, ed, you do care!
Hi David,Busted!
Yes I do care!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All……..A big problem in this debate is we tend to think GOD the Father is a (PERSON) and Jesus even presented Him that Way. But remember Jesus also said He talked about GOD the Father through Proverbs, (fictitious illustrations), But a time would come when he would show us plainly the Father. So perhaps much confusion revolves around this (Personification) of the Father. I believe GOD is pure Spirit and all life consists from and in him and no life exist outside of him, God the Father is the only thing that can exists outside of a body and it fills all bodies with their life in them, it is what life is. It lives vicariously (in) it's creation, it is very life itself. IMO
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2010,17:33) To All……..A big problem in this debate is we tend to think GOD the Father is a (PERSON) and Jesus even presented Him that Way. But remember Jesus also said He talked about GOD the Father through Proverbs, (fictitious illustrations), But a time would come when he would show us plainly the Father. So perhaps much confusion revolves around this (Personification) of the Father. I believe GOD is pure Spirit and all life consists from and in him and no life exist outside of him, God the Father is the only thing that can exists outside of a body and it fills all bodies with their life in them, it is what life is. It lives vicariously (in) it's creation, it is very life itself. IMO
geneunless you are part of the 144k you and many of us believers will not be in heaven,God did not populate the earth by men so that he can populate the heaven,in my understanding that is,
God the father is a being, a spirit being,something we can not phantom or conceive in our mind.but his qualities we can because he has show it to us trough Christ.
Pierre
“HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ”
If the “HolySpirit is God” then what does the following scripture mean?
“Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,”
Is this referring to the holy spirit [God] of God?
What do the hundreds of similar scriptures mean?
(I'm looking for someone other than Ed to comment on what I actually ask, as he will most likely respond by making some comment about the Watchtower.)
Ed has claimed that the above question is a “distraction.” But I only care with what the Bible claims, and a hundred times it uses the “holy spirit” in a possessive sense, as in “God's holy spirit” or something God possesses.
My question: How are we to understand that?
david
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,22:58) “HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ” If the “HolySpirit is God” then what does the following scripture mean?
“Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,”
Is this referring to the holy spirit [God] of God?
What do the hundreds of similar scriptures mean?
(I'm looking for someone other than Ed to comment on what I actually ask, as he will most likely respond by making some comment about the Watchtower.)
Ed has claimed that the above question is a “distraction.” But I only care with what the Bible claims, and a hundred times it uses the “holy spirit” in a possessive sense, as in “God's holy spirit” or something God possesses.
My question: How are we to understand that?
david
hi davidto me i understand that the Holy spirit is of God ,not God
the spirit is the power of God he is holy because there is nothing corrupt in God it is apart of all that is corrupt,the apostles only receive the holy spirit at the end of Christ journey not in the beginning,also power from God is given in measure for different reasons to different people.
this is why the scriptures says we have to become Holy because God is Holy(pure)Pierre
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,15:58) “HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ” If the “HolySpirit is God” then what does the following scripture mean?
“Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,”
Is this referring to the holy spirit [God] of God?
What do the hundreds of similar scriptures mean?
(I'm looking for someone other than Ed to comment on what I actually ask, as he will most likely respond by making some comment about the Watchtower.)
Ed has claimed that the above question is a “distraction.” But I only care with what the Bible claims, and a hundred times it uses the “holy spirit” in a possessive sense, as in “God's holy spirit” or something God possesses.
My question: How are we to understand that?
david
Hi David,I will give a comparative example. The Bible is God's word,
And John 1:1 says: “The word” was God! Rev.22:18-19 says…Rev.22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out
of the book of life, and out of the “Holy City”=117, and from the things which are written in this book.
“Bible Truth”=117 is: People can't really add to God or take away from God, can they David?Jesus said in Matt.18:6 …[whosoever] shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me…
So the answer to your question is: Grieve not the “HolySpirit” that is in God's Children! (Rom. 8:16)
I lined up some more Scriptures for you to “See” The HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ!Rom.14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and
peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.
Eph.4:6 6: One God and Father of all, who is above all,
and through all, and in you all.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote hi david to me i understand that the Holy spirit is of God ,not God
That makes sense Pierre, since it is something called the “holy spirit OF God.”
Quote I will give a comparative example. The Bible is God's word,
And John 1:1 says: “The word” was God!Ed, you are really good at this fallacy. I have a list of a couple hundred fallacies somewhere. Most of them are complicated and in Latin, but I will try to find the name for the error you continue to commit.
Quote (david @ July 17 2010,16:33) Quote I will give a comparative example. The Bible is God's word,
And John 1:1 says: “The word” was God!Ed, you are really good at this fallacy. I have a list of a couple hundred fallacies somewhere. Most of them are complicated and in Latin, but I will try to find the name for the error you continue to commit.
Hi David,You mean you don't believe “The Bible” is God's word?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHamburger is better than nothing.
Nothing is better than steak.
Therefore hamburger is better than steak.No cat has two tails.
Every cat has one more tail than no cat.
Therefore every cat has three tails.Quote Hi David, You mean you don't believe “The Bible” is God's word?
I don't remember saying that.
A “word” is something that conveys a message.
BOTH the Bible and Jesus conveyed a message.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE THE SAME IDENTITY!Ed, I started many many threads dealing with this very fallacy.
Jesus is called “lord”
God is called “lord”
THEREFORE, Jesus is God.HOWEVER, MANY MANY OTHERS ARE CALLED LORD.
Jesus is called “savior”
God is called “savior”
THEREFORE, they are the same person.HOWEVER, OTHERS ARE CALLED SAVIOR.
Ed, Just because two are called by the same word, does not in itself mean they are the same person.
Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2010,23:31) Quote (david @ July 17 2010,15:58) “HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ” If the “HolySpirit is God” then what does the following scripture mean?
“Eph.4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,”
Is this referring to the holy spirit [God] of God?
What do the hundreds of similar scriptures mean?
(I'm looking for someone other than Ed to comment on what I actually ask, as he will most likely respond by making some comment about the Watchtower.)
Ed has claimed that the above question is a “distraction.” But I only care with what the Bible claims, and a hundred times it uses the “holy spirit” in a possessive sense, as in “God's holy spirit” or something God possesses.
My question: How are we to understand that?
david
Hi David,I will give a comparative example. The Bible is God's word,
And John 1:1 says: “The word” was God! Rev.22:18-19 says…Rev.22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out
of the book of life, and out of the “Holy City”=117, and from the things which are written in this book.
“Bible Truth”=117 is: People can't really add to God or take away from God, can they David?Jesus said in Matt.18:6 …[whosoever] shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me…
So the answer to your question is: Grieve not the “HolySpirit” that is in God's Children! (Rom. 8:16)
I lined up some more Scriptures for you to “See” The HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ!Rom.14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and
peace, and joy in the HolySpirit.
Eph.4:6 6: One God and Father of all, who is above all,
and through all, and in you all.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou say;I will give a comparative example. The Bible is God's word,
And John 1:1 says: “The word” was God! Rev.22:18-19 says…if i have to understand what you are saying,is that Christ was a walking book??and still is
you are mixing two things ,and try to explain that they are one
Pierre
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