The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[kerwin]

Ed J.

I believe it is the truth to state that the impure spirit is a slave to sin and so it is a slave to Satan's desires.

I also believe that the spirit in mankind became corrupt through giving into temptation.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

[kerwin]

Nick,

You are going into details I am none to sure of at this time. I do know that according to what I read in the Jewish Encyclopedia that the at least some Jews believe that the unclean spirit comes to rest on a human being. I do not know if this is just a way of stating that it is part of him or that it is an outside force that influences his behavior. I do know that the spirit serves as a guide for a human being.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Unclean spirits certainly can cause men many miseries.
When Jesus sets you free you are free indeed

[kerwin]

Nick,

I am certainly in agreement on what you wrote.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2010,20:05)

Ed J. I believe it is the truth to state that the impure spirit is a slave to sin and so it is a slave to Satan's desires. I also believe that the spirit in mankind became corrupt through giving into temptation. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

So you would agree then: our Spirit needs to be cleansed,
but our ego needs to be self crucified? (Matt.10:38-40)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Ed J.

That sounds good to me as you cannot do one without the other.

Your fellow student,

Kerwin

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2010,19:49)

Ed J. That sounds good to me as you cannot do one without the other. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

I knew you were one that could be reasoned with! (Isaiah 1:18)

Your Brother in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Eccl.9:12-16)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2010,19:49)

Ed J. That sounds good to me as you cannot do one without the other. Your fellow student, Kerwin

Hi Kerwin,

I knew we could come to an agreement!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Oxy]

But back to the topic, if the Holy Spirit is the Father, did the Father send Himself when He said He would send the Holy Spirit? Why did He not say, I will go….

[GeneBalthrop]

Oxy………Remember where it is written in Joule , God said he would Pour (HIS) Spirit (intellect) upon (ALL) flesh. So it does appear He did send Himself right? Remember Jesus said the Father was (IN) him. You looking at the Father as a Metaphysical being , but He is spirit. ONLY and that is not Physical< He lives (IN) us through His Spirit. Remember "know you not that your (ARE) the temples of the living God" , GOD considers us temple he can indwell even as He did Jesus. God was (truly) (IN) Jesus by the anointing He recieved at the Jordan river. Remember when Jesus Spoke these words , "destory this temple and in three days I (God) will raise (IT) up." That was not Jesus talking it was GOD Speaking through HIM. When this dawned on Thomas , he replied , "MY LORD (AND) MY GOD". God the Father was truly (IN) Jesus, but that did not make Jesus the GOD that was (IN) Him Brother.

peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

peace and love…………….gene

[Oxy]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 03 2010,16:25)

Oxy………Remember where it is written in Joule , God said he would Pour (HIS) Spirit (intellect) upon (ALL) flesh. So it does appear He did send Himself right? Remember Jesus said the Father was (IN) him. You looking at the Father as a Metaphysical being , but He is spirit. ONLY and that is not Physical< He lives (IN) us through His Spirit. Remember "know you not that your (ARE) the temples of the living God" , GOD considers us temple he can indwell even as He did Jesus.  God was (truly) (IN) Jesus by the anointing He recieved at the Jordan river. Remember when Jesus Spoke these words , "destory this temple and in three days I (God) will raise (IT) up." That was not Jesus talking it was GOD Speaking through HIM. When this dawned on Thomas , he replied , "MY LORD (AND) MY GOD". God the Father was truly (IN) Jesus, but that did not make Jesus the GOD that was (IN) Him Brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene peace and love…………….gene

Gene, if you had followed my past postings you would well know that I know that God is spirit.

But you are telling me that God is not capable of appearing in the flesh? Read your Scriptures!

Also, if the Holy Spirit is God's “intellect” how come He hears, He speaks, He comforts and He was sent by the Father? There is much more to the Holy Spirit than intellect.

I am very well aware of what Jesus said and what was prophetic.

A little credit would be nice Gene. I am not stupid.

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 03 2010,12:44)

But back to the topic, if the Holy Spirit is the Father, did the Father send Himself when He said He would send the Holy Spirit?  Why did He not say, I will go….

Hi Oxy,

Here is your answer <– Third Post down

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Oxy]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,00:26)

Quote (Oxy @ July 03 2010,12:44) But back to the topic, if the Holy Spirit is the Father, did the Father send Himself when He said He would send the Holy Spirit?  Why did He not say, I will go…. Hi Oxy, Here is your answer <– Third Post down God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Sorry, it doesn't stack up.

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,08:09)

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,00:26) Quote (Oxy @ July 03 2010,12:44) But back to the topic, if the Holy Spirit is the Father, did the Father send Himself when He said He would send the Holy Spirit?  Why did He not say, I will go…. Hi Oxy, Here is your answer <– Third Post down God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Sorry, it doesn't stack up.

Hi Oxy,

What are you trying to 'stack up'?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Oxy]

If you've got something to say, just say it. I'm not going to wade through a mile long post somewhere else

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 03 2010,12:44)

But back to the topic, if the Holy Spirit is the Father, did the Father send Himself when He said He would send the Holy Spirit?  Why did He not say, I will go….

Hi Oxy,

Are we even too lazy to click the mouse? I'm sure this will clear things up for you in your “Spiritual mind”? (1Cor. 2:11)
After Jesus resurrection an eternal separation was made between Lucufer=74 and the “God Spirit”=117 in himself.  
Jesus retuns back to “God The Father”(HolySpirit) in Heaven after the removal of Lucifer (successfully removed)
from “The Godhead” at the crucifixion of Jesus, after Jesus' death. (Isaiah 14:19) Then once again in heaven,
Jesus then sends the “HolySpirit” in “God The Fathers” behalf (Isaiah 64:5-6) and “God The Father”=117
sends “Jesus Christ” (now in Spirit Form) in behalf of HolySpirit along with HolySpirit (Hebrews 9:28)
back to Earth to dwell in ALL Christian Believers, which started on the day of “Pentecost”=117!

                      “Pentecost” brings “the Kingdom's God”(HolySpirit)

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will
love him, and “WE“(Jesus' Father + Jesus) will come unto him(the believer), AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
                             [Isaiah 64:4-5 + Heb.9:28=John 14:23]

Isaiah 64:4-5 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear,
neither hath the eye seen, O God(HolySpirit), beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that
waiteth for him. Thou(HolySpirit + Jesus: A Personal “Pentecost”) meetest him(the Believer)
that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold,
thou(YHVH) art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.

Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many (“The Passover“);
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time (“Pentecost“) without sin unto salvation.
“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117 [117=יהוה האלהים] (JEHOVAH GOD) (Isaiah 43:11)

Jesus now sits at (the head of the corner) the right hand of “GOD The Father”=117;
Geometry and Gematria can CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE this FACT (Jesus at The Father's right hand)!
“The Large Box”=117 represents “GOD The Father”=117, “The Box”=74 inside represents “Jesus”=74!

         

Psalm 110:1-2 The LORD (יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) said unto my Lord (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),
        Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
        The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength (“HolySpirit“)
        out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Oxy]

We are not too lazy to click the mouse. We are growing weary of you.

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,17:51)

We are not too lazy to click the mouse.  We are growing weary of you.

Hi Oxy,

How so?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Holy Spirit in Hebrew is Ruach HaKodesh and is a female noun so how does “She” become a “Father”?

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,02:13)

Holy Spirit in Hebrew is Ruach HaKodesh and is a female noun so how does “She” become a “Father”?

Shalom David-be-fun,

First let me say: Welcome to h-net!

The same way El-shaddi means “the breasted one” is our heavenly Father.

B'Shem
YHVH

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