The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2010,14:44)

Hi, The secret of eternal life is the gift of the living Spirit. Without the Spirit, man dies and rises to face the judgement seat of Christ. Those in Christ cannot not face judgement as God cannot condemn His righteous Son When the Spirit rules in a man reborn of water into Christ he has passed already from death to life. Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his[rom8] Seek the Spirit.

nick

you are not clear,

first the baptism of the spirit is higher than the baptism in water,

so why should someone look to be baptise in water wen he is baptised in the spirit??

in Mat 28;19-hebrew version does not say to go and baptise in the name of ……………….
it just says to go and teach all the thing they have learned about Christ.

Baptism of water is elementary.just like circoncision

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2010,20:50)

Hi ED, Is the AKJV the original or just a translation of the majority texts?

Hi Nick,

In 1603 King James I Authorized 54 Godly Bible scholars and educated men to take on the task
of going back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and do a “word for word” translation.
This had never been done before, as most Bibles of that time were translations of translations.
King James I wanted a non-biased translation of the purest form, God’s word (the Bible) produced directly from the original texts.

It’s interesting to look how English Theomatics plays a part even in this area.
It seems to be by divine appointment that the numbers seem to add up to the number 117.
If you add the total number of translators (54) to the Theomatic value of “the Bible”  
(the Bible=63) (54+63=117) you come up with 117. This sum seems to be just another
in a series of numerical anomalies using English Theomatics that points to what I call
the “finger print” of “GOD the Father”=117 known as (םיהלאה הוהי=117) JEHOVAH GOD!

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
They chose certain manuscripts just as they all do.
The other translators were no less or more godly.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2010,22:19)

Hi ED, They chose certain manuscripts just as they all do. The other translators were no less or more godly.

Hi Nick,

Does that mean you trust all of (books within) the “Septuagint” manuscripts as being “Canon”?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 12 2010,09:55)

Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2010,22:46) Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2010,09:00) Nick, Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father.  And the Father is also God, btw.  Two Gods, one Godhead. John 1:18 Context NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father, has made God 3  known. 4 Hi Lightenup, Why do you play musical manipulated bibles to support the doctrines of the systems of religion's?                    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except                     distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. The AKJV Bible is the most accurate English Bible we possess. Here is what John 1:18 really says in English… John 1:18 No man hath seen God(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) at any time; the only begotten Son(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),                which is in the bosom of [GOD The Father=117], he(יהשוע) hath declared him(יהוה).                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org This is how John 1:18 is translated in several translations: John 1:18 NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father,  has made God 3  known. 4 NIV © No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NASB © No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NLT © No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him. MSG © No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. BBE © No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is. NRSV © No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known. NKJV © No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him .

Hi Kathi,

Do you believe what “ALL” these translations are saying (TO YOU); Kathi? Click Here <– Third Post down.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca………Nick is right in what he is saying except for the water thing , It is when we recieve The HOLY SPIRIT of GOD given from GOD through Jesus Christ sacrifice for our sins, that a change begins to take place in our hearts and minds, and we also recieve with that the Fiery Judgements needed also to cleans and purify us. Remember where Peter said concerning this fiery trial that has tried you as if some strange thing has happened to you. We recieve the Baptism of Christ and it contains Both Holy Spirit and fire. water baptism changes nothing IMO. It is the Baptism of the Spirit that counts.

peace and love ………………………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
No one had seen Jesus either as he had not been born.
They had seen the Spirit of Christ at work and now they could see God in Christ[Rom14]

The Lord is the Spirit.

[NickHassan]

GB,
Jesus baptises in the Spirit.
It is not of the will of man.[Jn1].

Those who come in repentance and washed in water in his name are blessed.
We must submit to the Word that the Spirit can teach from it.
Then fiery trials follow as faith is tested.

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 20 2010,03:24)

Terricca………Nick is right in what he is saying except for the water thing , It is when we recieve The HOLY SPIRIT of GOD given from GOD through Jesus Christ sacrifice for our sins, that a change begins to take place in our hearts and minds, and we also recieve with that the Fiery Judgements needed also to cleans and purify us. Remember where Peter said concerning this fiery trial that has tried you as if some strange thing has happened to you. We recieve the Baptism of Christ and it contains Both Holy Spirit and fire. water baptism changes nothing IMO. It is the Baptism of the Spirit that counts. peace and  love ………………………gene

gene

i agree with you in this ,but careful Peter talk s to saved believers,i believe that you first have to know the word (scriptures)of God ,so to know who you worship ,and who is the son,this word will bring you to make changes in your live,
this is were you decide to love God and willfully obey him,to do his will,after it is up to God who sees the heart to grant you the spirit,if you say you have the spirit you should live and teach accordingly.understanding scriptures is not change them it is to explain what is there,

to me the baptism of water is misunderstood ,it means emerging in the knowledge of God and the son.this is for gentiles.

Jews already know Gods but not the son ,but knew his coming and rejected him,repent for Jews means to be able to reconcile with there God ,so baptism and accepting Christ were two condition that was required from them.

baptism is like circoncision it is a mark to make people belong to a group not to God,the truth is in the spirit this is direct to God trough Christ ,there is no longer a men mediator,we can go to God directly with our hearts and mind,no church needed
2 or 3 in prayer will bring Christ and his father on them.

but religion as exploited this to the max.sectarianism.

of cause God as use those sects to make his word distribute to the world,but it was done not for God love but there own,
so they are wealthy and powerful on earth not in heaven.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No doubt you can prove water baptism is just symbolic for something else from Scripture?
However you isolate yourself from the ones who learned from the master and went out in obedience to him if you cannot.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,11:06)

Hi T, No doubt you can prove water baptism is just symbolic for something else from Scripture? However you isolate yourself from the ones who learned from the master and went out in obedience to him if you cannot.

nick

just a question on your answer; is it because of religion that you answer that ?

if i said something wrong in my comment let me know,
tradition is not truth.
i am not a believer to please men but God even if it cost my live.

Christ spirit is not in rituals

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 20 2010,00:26)

Quote (Lightenup @ April 12 2010,09:55) Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2010,22:46) Quote (Lightenup @ April 05 2010,09:00) Nick, Here is your second God…the only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father.  And the Father is also God, btw.  Two Gods, one Godhead. John 1:18 Context NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father, has made God 3  known. 4 Hi Lightenup, Why do you play musical manipulated bibles to support the doctrines of the systems of religion's?                    The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except                     distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. The AKJV Bible is the most accurate English Bible we possess. Here is what John 1:18 really says in English… John 1:18 No man hath seen God(יהוה YÄ-hä-vā) at any time; the only begotten Son(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă),                which is in the bosom of [GOD The Father=117], he(יהשוע) hath declared him(יהוה).                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org This is how John 1:18 is translated in several translations: John 1:18 NET © No one has ever seen God. The only one, 1  himself God, who is in closest fellowship with 2  the Father,  has made God 3  known. 4 NIV © No-one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NASB © No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NLT © No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him. MSG © No one has ever seen God, not so much as a glimpse. This one-of-a-kind God-Expression, who exists at the very heart of the Father, has made him plain as day. BBE © No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is. NRSV © No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known. NKJV © No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him . Hi Kathi, Do you believe what “ALL” these translations are saying (TO YOU); Kathi? Click Here <– Third Post down. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

For LightenUP

[NickHassan]

Hi ,
The Holy Spirit is of God and now His Son.
The Lord is the Spirit.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,10:01)

Hi , The Holy Spirit is of God and now His Son. The Lord is the Spirit.

nick

could you explain what you are stating or you do not understand it ?

The Lord is the Spirit ??

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Ask the Lord what His scriptures mean.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,13:29)

Hi T, Ask the Lord what His scriptures mean.

nick

would you like me to explain it to you ?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Read the thread and see.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,14:05)

Hi T, Read the thread and see.

nick

i have read it ,it does not explain any thing ,just opinions and cross reference about 2cor 3-

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
If God does not clarify it for you we waste our time.
Keep pondering.

What is Jesus without the anointing?
What useful things did he say or do without the anointing?

He changed at the anointing and that anointing Spirit controlled him and gives him eternal life.
The flesh prospers nothing but men focus on flesh.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,15:15)

Hi T, If God does not clarify it for you we waste our time. Keep pondering. What is Jesus without the anointing? What useful things did he say or do without the anointing? He changed at the anointing and that anointing Spirit controlled him and gives him eternal life. The flesh prospers nothing but men focus on flesh.

nick

you should read what i say,i never say that i did not understand 2Cor 3- i ask if you want me to explain it to you,

because in the thread there is no explanation just comment and opinion.

God made me understand it i have no doubts.

you believe that you are christs, you are only mare men and unless you produce the fruits of the spirit you will have nothing water or no water ,circumcision or not,it is God who sanctify s by given his spirit to you, not a ritual made for the purpose of the Jews reconciliation,

nick you rely on tradition of men and religion not truth,if it was truth you could have defended but you can not .

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