The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[NickHassan]

Hi K8,
If you read the book of Acts you will see the apostles baptised only in the name of Jesus Christ,
and they learned at the feet of the master.

We are baptised into him and his death.
There is salvation in no other name.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Anonymous]

Yes I See said the BLIND MAN Acts 2:38

God Bless K8

[NickHassan]

Hi K8,
And with Paul
Acts 22
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..the Holy Spirit is Godly intellect Period, and God imparts that to us because He is in us, and works through us, just as he did Jesus. Its the same thing except Jesus had the fullness
of the spirit in him.

Peace…………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Is it written?

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……..yes it is written, the words (intellect) i speak unto you (ARE Spirit )and Life. So what is Spirit (WORDS) and what are words (and expression of INTELLECT). There you have it how clear could it be.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Which version is this?

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……Here is is for you word for word……> Joh 6:63..>It is the spirit that quickeneth ; the flesh profiteth nothing. The (WORDS) I Speak unto you (ARE) Spirit, and Life.

If you look up Spirit in any good dictionary you will find that it is (intelligence) and Words are the expression of that intelligence. Therefore Jesus was correct in saying His words are Spirit and are life.

Is that clear enough for you. And the are in all the versions just pick the one you want.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
The words of the WORD are to us his God-given lifegiving Spirit planted in us.
Thus we grow unto the mind of Christ, but also receive a new heart and conscience.
Christ is not just an intellect, and we become like him in far more ways than just in understanding.

But that also has nothing to do with man's spirit as Jesus gave his own spirit up at Calvary.

Jn19
30Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

He died and did not just lose his intellect or intelligence.

So you cannot draw from this idea that the spirit is intellect.

Do do so would be to place your understanding just on intellect.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick….why don't you look up spirit in any dictionary and you will find it is intellect. And All a person has is His or Her intellect remove it and the person and the person is removed you are no more or no less then your intellect in what ever form it takes. Man Had only a body until the Spirit or intellect was added to it, then man became a living Soul. Just as it says. And a word is the expression of intellect a man speaks. God's spirit is Godly intellect God is spirit and Jesus said the words he spoke (WERE) Spirit and Life. So Life is spiritual intellect and our word express it.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Websters OK?

The vital principle or animating force within living things.

2. The general atmosphere of a place or situation and the effect that it has on people; “the feel of the city excited him”; “a clergyman improved the tone of the meeting”; “it had the smell of treason”.

3. A fundamental emotional and activating principle determining one's character.

4. Any incorporeal supernatural being that can become visible (or audible) to human beings.

5. The state of a person's emotions (especially with regard to pleasure or dejection); “his emotional state depended on her opinion”; “he was in good spirits”; “his spirit rose”.

6. The intended meaning of a communication.

7. Animation and energy in action or expression; “it was a heavy play and the actors tried in vain to give life to it”.

8. An inclination or tendency of a certain kind; “he had a change of heart”.

CAN'T SEE WHAT YOU SAY IS THERE.
WILL GET STRONGER GLASSES.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
So even the common parlance of the street offers you no support.
You would have had some for emotions but nothing about intellect there.

[Irene]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2008,15:39)

Hi GB, So even the common parlance of the street offers you no support. You would have had some for emotions but nothing about intellect there.

Nick Do look up Spirit in your Dictionary. You will find that it is your intelligent. Among other. It is what is in God the Father too. He gives it to us, right? So why I ask do you disagree with that?
Peace and Love Irene

[NickHassan]

Hi Irene,
I did and showed you.
Is it written?

[NickHassan]

Dictionary .com
spir·it –noun 1. the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.

2. the incorporeal part of humans: present in spirit though absent in body.
3. the soul regarded as separating from the body at death.
4. conscious, incorporeal being, as opposed to matter: the world of spirit.
5. a supernatural, incorporeal being, esp. one inhabiting a place, object, etc., or having a particular character: evil spirits.
6. a fairy, sprite, or elf.
7. an angel or demon.
8. an attitude or principle that inspires, animates, or pervades thought, feeling, or action: the spirit of reform.
9. (initial capital letter) the divine influence as an agency working in the human heart.
10. a divine, inspiring, or animating being or influence. Num. 11:25; Is. 32:15.
11. (initial capital letter) the third person of the Trinity; Holy Spirit.
12. the soul or heart as the seat of feelings or sentiments, or as prompting to action: a man of broken spirit.
13. spirits, feelings or mood with regard to exaltation or depression: low spirits; good spirits.
14. excellent disposition or attitude in terms of vigor, courage, firmness of intent, etc.; mettle: That's the spirit!
15. temper or disposition: meek in spirit.
16. an individual as characterized by a given attitude, disposition, character, action, etc.: A few brave spirits remained to face the danger.
17. the dominant tendency or character of anything: the spirit of the age.
18. vigorous sense of membership in a group: college spirit.
19. the general meaning or intent of a statement, document, etc. (opposed to letter): the spirit of the law.
20. Chemistry. the essence or active principle of a substance as extracted in liquid form, esp. by distillation.
21. Often, spirits. a strong distilled alcoholic liquor.
22. Chiefly British. alcohol.
23. Pharmacology. a solution in alcohol of an essential or volatile principle; essence.
24. any of certain subtle fluids formerly supposed to permeate the body.
25. the Spirit, God.
–adjective 26. pertaining to something that works by burning alcoholic spirits: a spirit stove.
27. of or pertaining to spiritualist bodies or activities.
–verb (used with object) 28. to animate with fresh ardor or courage; inspirit.
29. to encourage; urge on or stir up, as to action.
30. to carry off mysteriously or secretly (often fol. by away or off): His captors spirited him away.
—Idiom31. out of spirits, in low spirits; depressed: We were feeling out of spirits after so many days of rain.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……Well lets see what my Webster Universal Dictionary the unabridged international edition says.

Spirit…> the life giving principle; breath of life; conceived of as animating the body.

2…> the eternal, non-material part of, or element of man, which WILLS, THINKS,and FEELS, thought of as a gift of God; connected with body, THE INTELLIGENCE, SOUL. b…>this element or principle THOUGHT of as separate from the body; as disembodied INTELLIGENCE>

O and Nick…..My glasses are fine as you can see, Had you used an unabridged dictionary that shows the original meanings and not the changed meanings over time you would have see it., But besides that Just common sense tell you that Spirit as explained by Jesus as Word derived it meaning from intellect. You really don't even need a dictionary the Scriptures makes it plain.

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Why are you desperate to find some worldly support for your idea?

Is it because it is vital to your doctrine formation
and cannot be found in scripture?

But you should search for it in scripture-on which all godly doctrine is based?

[theodorej]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 28 2008,15:47)

To All………..the Holy Spirit is Godly intellect Period, and God imparts that to us because He is in us, and works through us, just as he did Jesus. Its the same thing except Jesus had the fullness of the spirit in him. Peace…………gene

Greetings Gene….You present a convincing argument..My question to you is,If the spirit is a measurement of Godly interlect,how do you explain the evil in the minds of some of the most interlectually endowed members of our society.The spirit is the esssence of what we are….It affords the emotions so we can love,reason and most of all communicate with God…(If we so desire)

[Irene]

Paul says there is a spirit in man;

1 Cor. 2:11 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which
is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”

This spirit in us, should we ask who is he? Or should we ask what is it? This spirit is our mind; it is what sets us apart from the animals. This mind enables us to learn how to read and write to calculate, to think, to plan and build, with it we make choices, all the things God does. That is the image of God he has created us in, but it is not another person. We influence other people by example and by what we teach them. God influences us with his Holy Mind, his Holy Spirit. Paul writes to the Philippians.

Phil. 2:5 “ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.’

This mind that was in Jesus was the mind of God, Gods spirit, his Holy Spirit.
Why would Paul say?

Eph. 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
Eph. 4:6 “One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all”.
Col. 1:3 “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”

Why is there never a scripture that gives thanks to the Holy Spirit?

Georg

[theodorej]

Quote (Irene @ July 30 2008,00:16)

Paul says there is a spirit in man; 1 Cor. 2:11   “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”     This spirit in us, should we ask who is he? Or should we ask what is it? This spirit is our mind; it is what sets us apart from the animals. This mind enables us to learn how to read and write to calculate, to think, to plan and build, with it we make choices, all the things God does. That is the image of God he has created us in, but it is not another person. We influence other people by example and by what we teach them. God influences us with his Holy Mind, his Holy Spirit. Paul writes to the Philippians. Phil. 2:5   “ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.’ This mind that was in Jesus was the mind of God, Gods spirit, his Holy Spirit. Why would Paul say? Eph. 1:3   “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…” Eph. 4:6   “One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all”. Col. 1:3     “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…” Why is there never a scripture that gives thanks to the Holy Spirit? Georg

Good Question Georg……It seems to me that,when we give thanks to the father we are in effect thanking his very being and that encompasses his spirit….

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