• Profile picture of carmel

    <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>Hi Mike,</span>

    <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: Funny you should bring this up, since I just addressed it to Proclaimer in our private thread a couple of hours ago…</span>

    <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>You: We do it the same way today.  You can say “back in the day of my grandmother”, in which case the singul…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Proclaimer

    What if the person buying the house is the lead designer of the home building firm that is physically putting the house together, who (lead designer) not only bought the land, had the vision, drew the plans from their own thoughts, chose all the elements that were going into the structure, even down to the structure type, the hinges, doors and…

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  • Profile picture of Danny Dabbs

    @mikeboll64

    Hi Mike,

    If there are other gods then what about Isaiah 45:5?
    “I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
    Besides me, there is no God.”

    God bless

  • Profile picture of gadam123

    Hi Adam, did you answer my last question to you? If so, would you mind showing me your response? Thanks.

    Here was my post to you:

    It is refreshing that you also see that the NT is declaring Jesus as a “Co-person with God in all activities starting from the first creation and ending with new creation mainly based on the NT”, as you say.
    Would you…

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  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi LU,

    Eternally begotten means “begotten before the ages” as opposed to begotten in time. Before the ages would be during eternity before the first day was established. That is how I understand it.

    Thanks for your answer.

    I agree on that.

    My way of saying the same thing is: “begotten in eternity past”….

    I agree with your second post, of…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    Mike…..Are we clear on the English word (WAS) yet?   As meaning coming to (be) or exist a certain way, but not nessarely meaning that it “always”,  was that way?  Can you allow your mind to even consider that possibility IN Genesis 1v2 ?

    I am sorry for some of my post being a little scrambled at times, my tab adds letters some times  even word…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Proclaimer

    CIA Bombshell: The Sussman Data Was “User Created”, Durham’s Latest Filing

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    I’m around a lot of people building homes near me and there are all sorts of builders. Some people are using an independent builder and some people are using a building company. In either case, it is completely understood that many people were involved in the building of the home, not just the contractor.

    If a private opening was given for…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU:  The “He” is the Father. The Father made the world through his Son. Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

    And when the house is done, who will be credited with its creation?  Who exactly will be the house’s creator?

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Berean,

    You asked if the Bible says “eternally begotten.” The Bible calls Jesus the Firstborn of all creation and then goes on to say that all things in heaven and on earth were made by him (Jesus). Therefore, he was born before anything in heaven and on earth was made, everything visible and invisible.

    Col 1:15 The Son is the image of the…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Hi Berean,

    Eternally begotten means “begotten before the ages” as opposed to begotten in time. Before the ages would be during eternity before the first day was established. That is how I understand it.

    Before the first day was established here:

    Gen 1

    5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

    And there was evening…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of carmel

    Hi Mike,

    YOU: I like that terminology.  Gen 2:4 is an introduction to the process which follows…

    just like Gen 1:1 is an introduction to the process which follows. 

    NOT QUITE I’M AFRAID!

    And they are both linked with “the most vital conjunction AND” ! 

    SINCE IT IS A CONJUNCTION, IT IS THE MOST COMMON, BUT FOR SURE

    NEITHER IS THE MOST VITAL…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi LU

    ….’earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
    We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light,…..

    Me

    eternally begotten of the Father…

    How You understand That LU ?

    Do the bible Say that ?

    For me I believe in the ONLY begotten Son of God…

    Begotten,

    Not…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Am I the only one here that believes all those statements in the OP? If you don’t believe all of them, which ones do you believe? They are numbered so that you can just list the number of the statement/statements that you do believe in. Also, which numbered statement/statements do you not believe in?

    Blessings, LU

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Proclaimer:

    You said:

    Your not building a house. You are buying one.

    Wouldn’t you need more information in order to say that?

    What if the person buying the house is the lead designer of the home building firm that is physically putting the house together, who (lead designer) not only bought the land, had the vision, drew the plans from their own…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Proclaimer:

    You said;

    Then if you read it as theos as in nature not identity, then I agree.

    Ok, that’s something anyway. I’m sure that you can see that the only begotten theos would not be the same person as the only unbegotten theos, correct?

    Can you agree that the only true theos would be the only unbegotten theos?

    Can you agree that the only…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of carmel

    Hi Mike,

    ME: ANSWER MIKE PLEASE:

    In the above description when a human being is CREATED, FORMED, MADE, AND ESTABLISHED,

    is it all the same exact thing for you?

     

    YOU: YES OR NO PLEASE!
    YES.  And not just for me, but for all rational people.

    ME: Mr. RATIONAL!

    LET’S SEE HOW RATIONAL YOU ARE:

    PRODUCE THE APPROPRIATE RATIONAL ANSWER FOR T…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi to all

    Daily Devotional

    GOSPEL SHOES

    AN AMAZING FACT: The world record for “walking” on one’s hands is held by Sarah Chapman of the United Kingdom. She travelled on her hands 16,404 feet in eight hours on June 3, 2002.
    The most famous “walk” in history was probably taken by Neil Armstrong on July 21, 1969, after the Apollo 11 lunar modu…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi Carmel

    I don’t doubt heaven or heavens where God the Father, Jesus and the good angels are, but in Genesis 1;2 it is not about heaven of heavens where God the Father is.
    Peter in the context does not mean either the heavens where God is (paradise)

    God bless

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    Mike even the word (was) in  English  does not mean it “always” existed that way.  Example,

    The car “was” red doesn’t mean it “now”  is red.  But at one time it became or came to be red.

    The apple was red, or ripe, of dosen’t mean it now is , it just mean at a time it became those things.

    Let’s,  let the English definition settle this ok.…[Read more]

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