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@DesireTruth

1. ISAIAH 53
If the servant is Israel, then explain why the servant is righteous (53:11) when Israel is repeatedly called sinful (Isa 1:4; 48:8). Explain why the servant suffers for the sins of others (53:5–6) when Israel suffers for its own sins (Isa 40:2). Explain why the servant dies (53:8–9) when Israel never dies. Explain why the nations speak in past tense about a single figure. You can’t. Your “Israel = servant” claim collapses under the text.

2. DANIEL 9:26
The text says the Messiah is “cut off” BEFORE the Temple is destroyed. That alone means Messiah appears before 70 CE. Your claim that the 70th week ended at the destruction contradicts the Hebrew and the sequence given by the angel.

3. ZECHARIAH 12:10
The Hebrew says: “They will look to ME whom THEY pierced.” God is speaking. The mourning is for a single figure, compared to Josiah. This is not “battle casualties.” Your interpretation ignores the grammar.

4. PSALM 22
David was never pierced, never surrounded by Gentiles, never had his garments gambled over, and never “laid in the dust of death.” The psalm contains details that never happened to David. It is prophetic, not autobiographical.

5. PSALM 69
The psalm describes being hated without cause, zeal for God’s house, insults falling on him, and being given vinegar to drink. David experienced some of this, but the psalm goes far beyond his life. It is prophetic, like many Davidic psalms.

6. “Everyone is responsible for their own sins.”
Correct — and Isaiah 53 agrees. The servant voluntarily suffers as an intercessor, just like Moses (Ex 32:32), the high priest (Lev 16), and the righteous who atone for the land (Prov 16:6). You are rejecting the Tanakh’s own categories.

7. “Jesus didn’t bring salvation.”
Irrelevant. The Tanakh says the servant is rejected first (Isa 49:7), then brings salvation (Isa 49:6), then is exalted (Isa 52:13), then is mourned (Zech 12:10). You are demanding the final stage before acknowledging the first stage.

Your arguments don’t come from the Tanakh.

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@DesireTruth

You’ve made it very clear who you believe the Messiah is *not*.
So let me ask the obvious question you’ve avoided:

Who do you believe the Messiah is?

Not “what the Messiah will do.”
Not “why Jesus isn’t the Messiah.”
Not “what Christianity gets wrong.”
I’m asking for a name.

According to your own reading of the Tanakh:

• Who is the Messiah?
• Has he already come, or is he still future?
• If he is future, what is his identity?
• If he is past, who was he?
• And if you say “we don’t know,” then how can you be certain Jesus isn’t him?

You’ve rejected every candidate, every interpretation, and every Messianic text offered.
So it’s time to hear your positive claim, not just your objections.

Who is the Messiah — according to you?

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