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Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Gene,
Did you miss this post to you?
Gene,
you said:
because you reject him comming into his “existence” in flesh and blood exactly as we have,
Just by the fact that you wrote that comment shows that you cannot read/comprehend what I believe. Where have I ever rejected that Jesus came in the flesh and blood just like our flesh and blo…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Jodi, Nick,
Here are several translations of Acts 13:33. You will notice that the word “again” is only in a few translations. I didn’t see it in the original Greek which I linked to below. Also, the word “father” is not in the original Greek. I believe the NASB has the verse correctly translated.
New International Version
he has fulfilled for…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
t8 and Mike,
If the moon had its own light, an eclipse would not be able to take it away but when the moon is fully in the solar eclipse or fully in the lunar eclipse stage, the moon’s surface that faces the earth is completely dark for a relatively short time.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said:
Do birds fly where the sun, moon, and stars are? No.
Did God create the sun, moon, and stars and place them in the firmament? Yes
Therefore, do birds also fly IN the firmament? Of course not
my response:
The birds do not fly as high as the sun, moon and stars, true.
God created and the sun, moon and the stars and placed the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said:
I think that, according to your model, your position on earth rotated from west to east, giving the appearance that the moon was moving across the sun west to east.
I wasn’t moving…my family went early to a campsite and set up camp around a picnic table and stayed there specifically to watch the whole event. You’re theory is not…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Gene,
you said:
because you reject him comming into his “existence” in flesh and blood exactly as we have,
Just by the fact that you wrote that comment shows that you cannot read/comprehend what I believe. Where have I ever rejected that Jesus came in the flesh and blood just like our flesh and blood?
Before you go around appointing who is an…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
This was just about my vantage point when the total solar eclipse happened…take a look that the moon moved from right to left, west to east. I was just a tad north of there.
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/cleveland-tn?iso=20170821
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said:
But we never see the moon go across the sky from west to east,…
I saw it go from west to east when it passed in front of the sun during the solar eclipse.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Nick,
You asked me if I attend a church. Yes I do. Most churches that I know about agree that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are interdependently our one God and at the same time, more than one person. The persons are equal in essence. One of the assistant pastors that interviewed me for membership said that he understands the Godhead as I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Real quick Jodi since I’m real tired and about to call it a night…
An unblemished lamb is unblemished from birth, it doesn’t go from blemished to unblemished. Jesus didn’t go from imperfect to perfect. I have explained to you before that Jesus was “perfected” by His sufferings is meant to indicate a sense of completion of what He was sent to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said: Science sites also presented models of the most recent solar eclipse before it happened, explaining how the shadow on the earth would move from west to east across the USA, when it seemingly should have moved from east to west.
The moon moves counter clockwise around the earth, that is west to east, not east to west. The science…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Jodi,
you asked Anthony this:
If Jesus was BEGOTTEN before the world was created, why on earth would God not just have made many Sons like your pre-existing son?? Why bother making the world and mankind at all?
A son like Jesus could not be made. He was eternal. Also, He was not made perfect, He always was perfect. Also, the day that those…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic 2 Commandments, in Which Way do YOU Love Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 7 years, 10 months ago
Nick,
you said: Why would I look for a group of similar believers?
The body of Christ gathers together for encouraging one another and to learn about God’s Word and for taking communion, corporate worship and even discipline. Jesus went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath to gather with the Jews.
How can a toe not be with the foot or the finger with…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Both examples must have a firmament for this thought experiment to work. In the case of the car the firmament is the roof and in the airplane it is the body of the plane.
Without a firmament there could be no way that the Jenga blocks could stand up.
The layers of atmosphere provide that firm expanse. Other forces work…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi Mike,
I’m sorry it has taken me so long to address this. I have been busy with my work and grandkids. I saw that you were mad that no one apologized to you because you believe that the verse that I gave you did not say what it did in fact say. The reason for not apologizing is because I believed that it was a good verse to debunk what you said…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Nick, yes ask for wisdom. Anthony is on the right path. Nick, if you speak in tongues but have not love what does the Bible say about that?
1 Cor 13
The Excellence of Love
13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
Maybe you can find a better approach than the role…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
It is you Nick that does not know what the Son of God is, not Anthony. He is more than a person who became a son by an anointing.
Lightenup replied to the topic 2 Commandments, in Which Way do YOU Love Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 7 years, 10 months ago
I’m a member of His body, Nick. Of course all members of Christ love Him who is the Lord of lords, Jehovah our Righteousness, the Lord of Glory, the Lord of all.
I was wondering if you found a church that believes as you do. Seems like churches would be called St. Jesus of Nazareth or something similar if Jesus was truly only a saint.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Thank you Anthony for your posts and your time here. I agree with you. The Bible teaches that the Father and the Son are together as the one God, united by their Spirit. The Father is not God independently of the Son and the Spirit, and the Son is not independently God apart from the Father and the Spirit. If they are not independent of one…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic 2 Commandments, in Which Way do YOU Love Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi Nick,
you said:
Jesus does not command us to love him but does expect our obedience.
Those 2 commandments command us to love everyone, which would include Jesus.
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