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Proverbs 30:4 is a riddle about the identity of a divine figure.
How did I know you were going to say it’s a riddle! Why do you believe it’s a riddle? What if there isn’t anything mysterious about the passage at all and it’s just Solomon using wisdom to express the power of G-d that no man possesses, no matter the level of power or intelligence they have.
Reading this passage we start with Agur speaking with two others and basically calls himself stupid. He then asks them four rhetorical questions; who has gone to heaven and back, who has gathered the wind in their hand, bound water in their coat, or has established the earth? Of course the only and obvious answer is G-d; only G-d can do all these things. Then the final question asks, “what is his name?” it’s not making the conclusion it’s G-d; it’s asking the two people what man can do these things and if there is someone who can, what’s his sons name. Since the answer is no human can, there is no son of this non-existent person, either.
You emphatically state “The ‘Son’ cannot be Israel or Solomon, because neither ascended to heaven, gathered the wind, wrapped the waters, nor established the earth” (noticed you capitalized Son to make it a proper noun when it’s not). Since you have heard these teaching of the son possibly being either Israel or Solomon, why do you reject these possibilities?
In Ex4:21-23 G-d explicitly states the people of Israel are HIS firstborn son; and throughout the Tanahk HE refers to Israel as a son; so reading the Proverbs passage and answering all the questions with G-d, wouldn’t Israel being the son fit? The same thing could apply to Solomon since G-d called him HIS son in I Chron 22:10, 28:6 and II Sam 7:14. What about Ps 89:20 where G-d calls David his firstborn? There are now three scriptural possibilities of who the son could be; now what?
Personally, I don’t think the “son” is a reference to Israel, Solomon, or David; they’re rhetorical questions that don’t require an answer because the answer is already known. Even Agur, who considers himself the dumbest of the dumb, knows the answer. Am I saying my thought is the absolute correct one, no; just a logical one. To say the son is the Jesus is interpretive because only the father performed the tasks and NOT the son; it only asks for the son’s name of the one who can, not that the son also possesses the same abilities.
Are there any passages in the Tanakh that say G-d has a “son” that HE will send to earth for the redemption of mankind’s sins?
When God says He will make Solomon’s dynasty “permanent,” He does not mean an endless biological chain of Solomon’s sons ruling on earth.
OBVIOUSLY!!!! Jecohiah had his kingship removed and the line of kings ended. Read Hosea 3:4-5 where G-d tells Israel they would be without a king until the end of days (that’s a good one for a later date). I never said the kingship was from one king to the next forever. The only stipulation G-d made in this promise was Solomon’s dynasty would be permanent and since lineages continue thru a biological process (not some pagan creation of a god impregnating a human woman), the true Messiah would have to be someone connected biologically to Solomon; NOT by adoption or thru another of David’s sons. Thus rendering the Jesus as a false messiah since his daddy was a spirit.
So “permanent dynasty” means an eternal king from David’s line, not an endless chain of earthly kings. The covenant is fulfilled in the Messiah, the final Davidic ruler who reigns forever.
How many sons have been born over the last 3500 years that are biologically connected to Solomon? You need to put it into a Hebraic mindset and not christianities. You’re almost there, let go of your religion and turn to G-d; HE’s waiting! It is freeing to not have to do mental gymnastics all the time to explain why you believe what you believe or to live under the shackles of religion, knowing it’s G-d and G-d alone who saves and forgives, and knowing you have a direct line to G-d and don’t need a “mediator” to get to HIM.
Stop and verify everything!
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