Firstborn of/over all creation

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     Anthony 
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    Pease Nick listen to me read it again what i send  God bless you man read it again Nick

    #830929
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Why do you think it is vital to read your traditional human derivations?

    #830930
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony. ..you say lets talk scripture , ok , i quoted you a scripture and you completely ignored it, seems you really arn’t into talking scripture at all are you? Same with all tritarians, they really never talk scripture , just a bunch religious thelogy the themselves don’t even understand.

    Go back and read the scripture i quoted and lets talk about it, simple straight forward scripture, neglecting it only shows you haven’t a clue, concerning the truth of what is written. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #830931
     Anthony 
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    I’m  hoping Gene you will respond to me come on Gene talk to me .God bless you and your family. may God be with you please, Gene listen to me this is not my first day in the park.

    #830932
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    Yes the book details the work of the Spirit of God, done through men, in ridding heaven of evil,

    and wresting control of the earth from the hands of the devil and his demonic hordes.

    Hi Nick,

    It’s always good to see when we agree!
    Glad you got your voice back here.

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     Anthony 
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    Gene i thought i already answered your Gene what’s up . Your need to  go and reead it again   Gene  ya i all ready told you. It’s not happening check it out read it again

     

    #830936
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    First the kernel of corn and then the plant, bearing cobs.

    First the natural then the spiritual.

    We are to be like the angels.

    Your interpretation of this is that we become spirit beings?.

    #830937
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Adoption?

    God was his natural Father by conception.

    And God became his Spiritual father by sharing His Spirit with him.

    We follow him into rebirth.

     

    #830938
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony. …ok lets do it again, please don’t go side way on me again, be specific the this one scripture.

    John 17:3….”And this is life eternal, that they might know (You), the (ONLY) (TRUE) GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom (YOU) have sent”.

    Now do not drift off, and tell me do you understand that scripture. Do the word (You) mean Jesus was talking about someone else m other then himself? Did Jesus say the (You) he was talking to, was the (ONLY) (TRUE) (GOD). Yes or no, please. Did he by saying those words “EXCLUDE HIMSELF’? Yes or no please.

    Now tell us how you get around this straight forward scripture, and hold onto you concept of Jesus being a GOD ALSO.?

    THERE is no reason to continue on if you can’t understand this simple scripture, now is there?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #830939
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    You say that Jesus had to be born again twice?

    Acts 13.30

    But God raised him from the dead:

    Acts 13.33

    God hath fulfilled the same unto us, their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again,

    Acts 13.34

    And as concerning that He raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption,

    Acts 13.37

    But he, who God raised again, saw no corruption.

     

    Resurrection is to be raised again.

    If he needed two rebirths do those who follow him also need two?

    The seed is already planted and ready to burst forth unto glory and eternal life.

     

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     Jodi 
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    Anthony,

    God promised David,

    33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    We are told that of the seed of David God would call his descendant a son. God said He would place His Spirit onto this man. UNLIKE any OTHER MAN Jesus was given the Spirit of God without measure. UNLIKE any other MAN, Jesus remained without sin. This MAKES JESUS the ONLY begotten Son. 

    What part of the promise to David that on a certain day a Son of man would be begotten into being the Son of God, do you not understand? You don’t understand it because you take scripture that is ALWAYS referring to a MAN, and you equate it to be referring to a pre-existing son, and by doing so you loose all truth, and IGNORE the scriptures that speaks specifically the begetting of Jesus.

    Guess what, Jesus was the only MORTAL considered God’s Only begotten Son, but in the resurrection there are MANY begotten Sons!!

    We are told that a MAN WITHOUT SIN is a righteous man, and righteous men ARE THE SONS of GOD. 

    Jesus was the ONLY righteous MORTAL MAN, and by that he was not worthy of death, he is our proof that man through God’s Spirit can be righteous, and through that righteousness a man can have eternal life. If we have faith in this we too are deserving of a resurrection into eternal life. This is the whole message of the gospel, in believing in Jesus THE CHRIST, man anointed with the Spirit.

    Jesus is not called, Jesus the pre-existing god, Jesus is called the CHRIST, which means to be the MAN who God placed His Spirit upon to work perfection. Anthony you believe what is known exactly as the antichrist, as you see him as a pre-existing son and define his greatness in that, rather than the man of the seed of David whom God perfected through His Spirit. It is this PERFECTED man that is the glory and image of God. It is this perfected man who was raised from the dead that we are to have faith in our heavenly Father in. 

    9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.10 In this the children of God are manifest,

    1 Peter 20:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    Romans 8: 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    The seed of David was foreordained before the foundation of the world, because it is the PERFECTED MAN that brings us eternal life, not a pre-exisitng son that does, but the MAN born of the seed of David of whom God would beget on a certain day with His Spirit.

    Though Jesus was a Son of God he wasn’t considered PERFECT until he suffered. Why is that? Because he committed the ultimate act of faith in God following God’s will over his own fleshly will unto his DEATH. Yes, Jesus and God had separate wills, “not my will but yours.”  They were however joined in perfect unity because Jesus fully submitted his fleshly will over to following God’s will, and proved it by going to the cross. This is EXACTLY WHY God calls Jesus a Son. This was all according to God’s plan before He made the world, and had promised beforehand eternal life to mankind.

    We are told that we are the brothers of Jesus, that his inheritance is our OUR inheritance, a MAN’sw inheritance for being righteous. 

    We are told that Jesus upon being raised from the dead is the firstfruits of the spirit, and there will be others as God planned it according to an ORDER.

    We are told that God made man in His own image. We are told that the man Jesus Christ is the image of God. We are NOT told that a pre-existing son is the image of God. HAS GOD BEEN LONGSUFFERING with mankind because He was bored? Why didn’t He just beget many pre-existing sons? Why create mankind at all? If Jesus was BEGOTTEN before the world was created, why on earth would God not just have made many Sons like your pre-existing son?? Why bother making the world and mankind at all?

    Please Anthony tell me why? I am interested to see how you explain this.

     

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     Lightenup 
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    Jodi,

    you asked Anthony this:

    If Jesus was BEGOTTEN before the world was created, why on earth would God not just have made many Sons like your pre-existing son?? Why bother making the world and mankind at all?

    A son like Jesus could not be made. He was eternal. Also, He was not made perfect, He always was perfect. Also, the day that those scriptures speak of when they say “today I have begotten you” is the resurrection from the grave day as the firstborn from the dead, not the baptism day.

    I’m sorry that I haven’t gotten back to you. I have been busy with my work and grandkids. I know you were asking Anthony those questions but you have mentioned them to me in the past also. I have addressed them in the past and once more I am answering them here.

    Take care, LU

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,

    I would not partake at the table of demons.

    God knows those who are His.

    And He provides.

    What about you.

    Have you found a fellowship with two gods yet?

     

    #830955
     Anthony 
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    Gene yes the Father send His Son the only begotten Son .So He was with the Father right Gene Christ had not exchanged his divinity for humanity; but he had clothed his divinity in humanity, and he gave Satan the evidence for which he had asked,–showed him that he was the Son of God.”do you find it hard to believe that the Father’s Son has life in Himself

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     Anthony 
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    Hi Jodi He did create other son’s He used His Only begotten Son to create them They started out with the angels which are call son’s of God then Adam and Eve there called son’s of God .do you find it hard to believe that the only begotten Son has life in Himself Jodi we don’t nor the angle

    We are son’s of God but we don’t have life in our self. There is a difference Jodi. You have to do away with a whole lot of scriptures

    The bible your using take parts and whole scriptures away they take away i don’t use bibles like that. Good bless.

    #830957
     Anthony 
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    K bye going fishing God bless everyone.

    #830958
     Anthony 
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    I’ll leave you my this

    “A complete offering has been made; for “God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,”–not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father’s person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

    #830959
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony. …You again completely ignored the point of what that scripture said, it said there is “ONLY” (ONE) “true” GOD. NOW lets here you say that, or can you. EVEN THOUGH THE “MAN” JESUS HIMSELF SAID IT.

    QUESTION IS DO “YOU” BELIEVE IT? YES OR NO?

    LU, TELLS US IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAID THERE ALSO?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #830960
     Anthony 
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    Gene yes the Father is eternal not the Son He came out from the Father  before anything was created . The Father gave Him everything if you have seen the Son you have seen the Father. What don’t you get Gene you three belive that Jesus was adopted by the Father He was more then just a man. And the Father anointed Him at Jordan river by John The Son lay it all  down and the glory He had with His Father you cantc see that?

    #830961
     Anthony 
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    What’s up talk to me Gene you really can’t see that?

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