Flat Earth?

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  • #830990
     Dig4truth 
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    T8: “Stumbling blocks Let’s imagine that the Flat Earth movement convinced all Christians that scripture taught a Flat Earth and they believed it and preached it.

    How many people do you think would believe in God thereafter and how many would stop believing. The world would then have the proof that the Bible was wrong and I think Satan would love this to happen. The SPace Age would then prove the Bible was inccorect and was just ancient men prokecting their own ideas on the populace and saying it was truth.

    Of course, the Bible doesn’t teach the Earth is flat, so this will never happen. It will always be a fringe element that believes this and other like ideas such as God being an Alien. We read about craft picking up Elijah and taking him to Heaven and the wheels inside wheels in Ezekiel. Fringe groups can always pick out stuff here and there to support their view.

    But here is the thing. Our experience of the Earth is flat. Angels may well travel through the universe in craft. The sons of God may well be another world of sons that could fly and invaded our world and taught us knowledge that they acquired. But people forget that the Bible is God’s revelation to man so it is written in his language and from his perspective. This was never meant to rule out that God sees a greater perspective and in the end times, we would learn some of this knowledge as out technology increased.

    We just need to take a sensible approach to scripture and not be so narrow minded as to put of people from entering the gate. In short, stumbling blocks are inevitable, but woe to the men who lay them.”

     

     

    Firstly, there are many that are turning to God because of the realization of where we live and how the “powers to be” have lied to us. Here is a video with many testimonies about it.

    Secondly, the “Sons of God” are angels as described in the Bible.

    Gen 6:4, Job 1:6, Job 38:6-7, II Peter 2:4

    Of course in another context we believers are called “Sons of God” also but that is after salvation in Yeshua.

     

     

     

    #830991
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Miia, were all traveling along a straight line 100 miles an hour trying to find the drop off point of DIG AND MIKES flat earth, there seem to be no drop off point so far.

    This is the best smoke and mirrors show heaven net has ever had, in my opinion, LOL’.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #830992
     mikeboll64 
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    T8: One of these days, I will be able to workaround the restriction of not being able to Add Media from the get go.

    That will be nice.

    #830995
     mikeboll64 
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    Kathi:  The moon moves counter clockwise around the earth, that is west to east, not east to west. The science sites were right.

    Even the one that had the earth rotating clockwise so the progression of the shadow looked more natural?  🙂  I realize that in your model, the moon orbits the earth in the same direction that the earth rotates.  But we never see the moon go across the sky from west to east, because the earth allegedly rotates counter-clockwise faster than the moon orbits the earth counter-clockwise.  So from our perspective, the moon is really moving across the sky from east to west – like the sun does.  So in the time it would have taken the moon to pass the sun in its counter-clockwise orbit around the earth, the earth itself would have rotated in the same direction must faster.  And because of this, just as the moon appears to move east to west above us due to the faster rotation of the earth, the shadow from the moon seemingly should have done the same.  There are other problems with solar eclipses – like the idea that any object can cast a shadow smaller than itself from one light source – but let’s let this one go for now and focus on the posts I made yesterday.

    Kathi:  Also, the pneumbra is a partial shadow. The light of the moon on the eclipse is refracted light in the pneumbra.

    You’ll have to walk me through that one.

    Kathi:  I hope you have a Happy Father’s Day tomorrow!

    Why thank you.  I hope you do the same, slaving over your husband and treating him as a king – as God intended from the beginning.  😀

    #830997
     mikeboll64 
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    miia:  Hi all, how is this flat earth topic going? I read your post replies to me about a week ago Mike and Dig, but haven’t had a chance to respond. Not even sure what page they’re on. Sincere apologies. And I did read them, thank you.

    It’s going slowly.  D4T and I are chomping at the bit to bring up a bunch more evidence, but are holding back because of the resistance we’re getting from the first few things we’ve presented.  Heck, we’re still talking about whether or not the sun was really created on day four, like the scriptures clearly teach.  How can we move on to gyros when we can’t even get an honest answer on whether or not we’d be able to see a 737 with the naked eye at 369 miles up in the sky?  How can we move on to solar eclipses when we can’t even get closure on the impossibility of the moon eclipsing from the top down?  How can we move on to discussing the impossibility of a pressurized atmosphere existing adjacent to a near perfect vacuum when we can’t come to an agreement on the undeniable fact that we can see thousands of objects that would be hidden behind the curvature if the earth was in fact a ball 25,000 miles in circumference?

    So yeah… it’s been very slow-moving and often times frustrating.

    But hey, I just made my video on Superstition Mountain last night.  It’s only 1:23 long, so check it out…

    I’m going to do one with T8’s photo of Mount Ruapehu next.  His will make more of an impact, because of the greater distance.

    Take care…

    #830999
     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  Stumbling blocks…

    D4T:  Firstly, there are many that are turning to God because of the realization of where we live and how the “powers to be” have lied to us. Here is a video with many testimonies about it…

    I spent an hour making a great response to T8’s post… but just before I hit “SUBMIT”, I started to think that these philosophical meanderings are how he’s been avoiding the hard questions from the beginning of this thread.  When he’s facing direct questions that he doesn’t know how to answer, he just makes another long post about how, philosophically, the heliocentric model makes our God even greater and produces more Christians, or whatever.  And then I make the mistake of addressing his philosophical musings, and the next thing you know, we’re off and running on everything philosophical – while completely neglecting the direct scientific and scriptural questions that I asked him.

    So while I’m glad that you addressed it, and used one of the points I was going to use (that flat earth has brought non-believers TO the scriptures after realizing that the scriptures had it right all along), I’m also glad that I deleted my response before posting it.  Now maybe T8 will address the last six posts on page 117 for me.  I doubt it, because they are hard points that he doesn’t want to deal with… but at least I’m not the one giving him an out this time.

    (Btw, I have your video saved to my “Podcasts” playlist, and will listen to it on the way home from my folk’s house later today.)

    #831000
     Dig4truth 
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    That was a great video Mike! Simple and yet gets the point across strongly.

    #831001
     mikeboll64 
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    Thanks, man.  The one with T8’s photo should be even better because of the greater distance.  🙂

    #831002
     Lightenup 
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    Mike,

    you said:

    But we never see the moon go across the sky from west to east,…

    I saw it go from west to east when it passed in front of the sun during the solar eclipse.

    #831004
     Lightenup 
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    Mike,

    This was just about my vantage point when the total solar eclipse happened…take a look that the moon moved from right to left, west to east. I was just a tad north of there.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/cleveland-tn?iso=20170821

    #831026
     t8 
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    Mike, I cannot answer everything right away. Obviously it takes time to accumulate knowledge right? So I answer what I can and from what I have read. If the answer comes easy, I tick that box first. I know there have been a few questions asked multiple times. I probably have not answered them fully because I don’t know the full answer, but I have added in my 2 cents worth for now. Seriously, I am not about avoiding answers. I am about finding the truth. Further, I have watched heaps of Flat Earth videos lately to understand the full theory, and have equally watched debunk videos to counter. To expect that I could answer everything myself is putting too much faith in my ability. Remember that all these videos took lots of time to make and for the authors to come to their conclusions. So I stand on their shoulders to further speed up any answers I can provide.

    That said, I have performed some experiments myself and the marble on the table experiment at first looked to be true, till I realized that one degree off, and of course part of the marble was hidden. It showed me how disingenuous that video was because when I lined up both ends of the table perfectly, the marble was visible the whole time. Surely the guy who made the video must have known this. And videos of smaller vessels this side of the horizon, that is simply deception or just really bad science.

    My conclusion so far is there is way too much evidence for the heliocentric globe earth model to dismiss and it is way too extreme to say it is all a conspiracy theory. Imagine how many people for example patrol the Southern Ocean to stop would be visitors to Antarctica. It is greater than the coastline of the Americas I think. Just huge. And not one of these patrol personnel have come forward and told the world of the conspiracy and zero videos of photos to prove this. Unbelievable.

    As for the Flat Earth argument so far, there is little direct evidence, just a bunch of videos and photos that say this should not be possible on a globe earth if there is zero moisture in the atmosphere with little or no science to explain how that proves a Flat Earth. I find that there are fair rebuttals to all the Flat Earth points, but just need to find the remaining answers. Many for me have already been answered.

    #831028
     t8 
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    Southern Ocean objections to Flat Earth and other facts

    This video conveniently speaks about objections I have made in this topic. Glad to see these Flat Earth objections raised and debunked.

    Please ignore the insulting language and concentrate on the points being made. I disagree with the tone of the video, but agree that it is factual regarding the questions and science.

    #831041
     t8 
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    Part II

    Part III

    Part IV

    Part V

    #831033
     mikeboll64 
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    Hey T8, would you mind posting your Mount Ruapehu image once more, and leaving the file attached?

    #831036
     mikeboll64 
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    Kathi:  I saw it go from west to east when it passed in front of the sun during the solar eclipse.

    I think that, according to your model, your position on earth rotated from west to east, giving the appearance that the moon was moving across the sun west to east.  Like driving down the highway and observing a water tower move left to right across the face of a distant mountain, when really it is just a parallax effect of your position changing in relation to the water tower.

    Anyway, let’s hold this for later if you don’t mind.  I want to hear any rebuttal/comments to my Gen 1:20 post, and continue with the top-down eclipse thing before moving on.

    #831040
     mikeboll64 
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    Hey D4T, what great testimonials in that video of how discovering flat earth led new agers and alien believers to accepting Christ as their Savior!  Fantastic stuff… thanks for sharing.

    #831042
     mikeboll64 
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    T8:  Mike, I cannot answer everything right away…

    Allow me to stop you right there… before you go off on yet another long diatribe of things you keep repeating or post yet another “everything flat earth debunked” video.  In the first of my posts that you ignored on page 117, I presented you with a GIF of what is called the “lunar wave”, or “lunar pulse”.  Did you see it?  What do you think it could be?  (“I don’t know” is an acceptable answer.)

    Then, in that same post, you told me that my claim that the moon is its own light was a “desperate answer”.  I pointed out that it is the scriptural answer.  What is your response to that?  Because it either IS the scriptural answer, or it’s NOT.  Which one?

    Then there was this exchange…

    Mike:  Jehovah told us that He created two lights – the greater to govern the day, and the lesser to govern the night.

    T8:  There you go being literal again and assuming that which is not written.

    Mike:  Which part of my blue words above is not written?

    What is your answer to that very simple question?

    So here’s how easy it would be for you to address that first post…

    1.  Did you see the lunar wave GIF I posted?  YES/NO.
    2.  What do you think it is?  I DON’T KNOW.
    3. Is the claim that the moon is its own light a scriptural one?  YES/NO.
    4.  Which part of my blue words are not written in scripture?  SOME OF THEM ARE NOT/ALL OF THEM ARE NOT/NONE OF THEM ARE NOT

    So with just 10 words, you could address that entire post.  And you don’t have to have a PhD in flat earth or secular cosmology to do so.  So please, for the love of God, give me the answers I’m asking for, and demonstrate that you are not just another Nick or Gene – both of whom post mindless tripe, but run away and hide when asked a simple straightforward question.

    #831044
     mikeboll64 
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    Gene:  Miia, were all traveling along a straight line 100 miles an hour trying to find the drop off point of DIG AND MIKES flat earth, there seem to be no drop off point so far.

    This is the best smoke and mirrors show heaven net has ever had, in my opinion, LOL’.

    Ah, so you are still alive, huh?  I assumed maybe you were sick or something when you didn’t answer my simple question after making bold statements about your prowess in mathematics.  Here it is again…

    Gene, SHOULD we be able to see the Statue of Liberty from 60 miles away on a ball earth… according to your math?  YES or NO is all we need from you… unless you want to add more.

     

    #831046
     Admin 
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    Hey T8, would you mind posting your Mount Ruapehu image once more, and leaving the file attached?

    Hi Mike.

    Here is a tip on how to recover a full sized image from the forum. When you post an image, it takes the full image and makes a number of copies at different sizes. This is for the purpose of choosing the best size when adding it to your post. Here is what you do:

    1. Right click on the image in Windows and choose ‘Copy image address’ or ‘Open image in new tab’.  You will get the following:https://heavennet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_8786-1000x667.jpg whicjh is a smaller version.
    2. Then, strip out the obvious image dimensions in the URL which in this case is the 1000×667 part. You need to get rid of the – character too, as that is used to join the image number and dimensions part of the URL. You would then get this:
      https://heavennet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_8786.jpg
    3. Enter the new URL into the browser address bar and you will see the original file and you can save from there.

    Another method (I think) is to attach another file somewhere, and it seems that your attachments will reappear in the first post. Is that correct though? I am not 100% sure how you accumulated all attachments in the first post, but you would know.

    The final method is to make a post and using ‘Add Media’, repost the image and in that window you get the choice to ‘Link to” and choose ‘Media file’.

    🙂

     

    #831047
     Admin 
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    Final method done here:

    Click on the image now. It should link to the original file.

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