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Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike, and all,
Will you all post a response to the OP in the “2 Commandment…” topic? Thanks in advance!
You don’t have to post more than once if you don’t want, just answer the OP, ok??? Pleeeeeease!
Lightenup replied to the topic 2 Commandments, in Which Way do YOU Love Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 7 years, 10 months ago
Why not look for a group that are fellow members of the body you claim to be a part of? Isn’t that the point of being a member of a body of believers, so that they gather together to love, encourage and build one another up? Why is that even a question Nick? If you are a toe, you would benefit from the member who is the foot and the leg and the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
The firmament/raqia/expanse is “heaven/shamayim according to scripture. You agree that the birds fly in the first heaven which is firmament/raqia/expanse/shamayim but you don’t realize it. All the layers of heaven in between the waters on earth and the waters above the expanse are in what you translate as firmament, Mike. The birds indeed…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi Anthony,
I never said that the Son was eternally begotten. I believe He was begotten during eternity past. See the difference. Also, do not equate the term “begotten” with “created.” The term “begotten” does not cause a beginning of existense. On the contrary, one begotten has to exist already so that they can be begotten. When you were…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Jodi,
you said:
Any lamb that happens to be born without spot or blemish, doesn’t mean that they are going to go through their life remaining without spot or blemish, does it LU??
Any lamb that can be sacrificed as an unblemished lamb will remain unblemished till sacrificed. Jesus was born of God before creation to become the firstborn of all c…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi Anthony,
I believe that the Son is eternal in the past being within the eternal Father until begotten from out of the Father. I believe that there is one God, the Father who is God together with His Son, united in spirit. I believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit make up one God in the fullest sense.
God bless,
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Gene,
Did you miss this post to you?
Gene,
you said:
because you reject him comming into his “existence” in flesh and blood exactly as we have,
Just by the fact that you wrote that comment shows that you cannot read/comprehend what I believe. Where have I ever rejected that Jesus came in the flesh and blood just like our flesh and blo…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Jodi, Nick,
Here are several translations of Acts 13:33. You will notice that the word “again” is only in a few translations. I didn’t see it in the original Greek which I linked to below. Also, the word “father” is not in the original Greek. I believe the NASB has the verse correctly translated.
New International Version
he has fulfilled for…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
t8 and Mike,
If the moon had its own light, an eclipse would not be able to take it away but when the moon is fully in the solar eclipse or fully in the lunar eclipse stage, the moon’s surface that faces the earth is completely dark for a relatively short time.
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said:
Do birds fly where the sun, moon, and stars are? No.
Did God create the sun, moon, and stars and place them in the firmament? Yes
Therefore, do birds also fly IN the firmament? Of course not
my response:
The birds do not fly as high as the sun, moon and stars, true.
God created and the sun, moon and the stars and placed the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said:
I think that, according to your model, your position on earth rotated from west to east, giving the appearance that the moon was moving across the sun west to east.
I wasn’t moving…my family went early to a campsite and set up camp around a picnic table and stayed there specifically to watch the whole event. You’re theory is not…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Gene,
you said:
because you reject him comming into his “existence” in flesh and blood exactly as we have,
Just by the fact that you wrote that comment shows that you cannot read/comprehend what I believe. Where have I ever rejected that Jesus came in the flesh and blood just like our flesh and blood?
Before you go around appointing who is an…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
This was just about my vantage point when the total solar eclipse happened…take a look that the moon moved from right to left, west to east. I was just a tad north of there.
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/cleveland-tn?iso=20170821
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said:
But we never see the moon go across the sky from west to east,…
I saw it go from west to east when it passed in front of the sun during the solar eclipse.
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Nick,
You asked me if I attend a church. Yes I do. Most churches that I know about agree that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are interdependently our one God and at the same time, more than one person. The persons are equal in essence. One of the assistant pastors that interviewed me for membership said that he understands the Godhead as I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Real quick Jodi since I’m real tired and about to call it a night…
An unblemished lamb is unblemished from birth, it doesn’t go from blemished to unblemished. Jesus didn’t go from imperfect to perfect. I have explained to you before that Jesus was “perfected” by His sufferings is meant to indicate a sense of completion of what He was sent to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Mike,
you said: Science sites also presented models of the most recent solar eclipse before it happened, explaining how the shadow on the earth would move from west to east across the USA, when it seemingly should have moved from east to west.
The moon moves counter clockwise around the earth, that is west to east, not east to west. The science…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 10 months ago
Jodi,
you asked Anthony this:
If Jesus was BEGOTTEN before the world was created, why on earth would God not just have made many Sons like your pre-existing son?? Why bother making the world and mankind at all?
A son like Jesus could not be made. He was eternal. Also, He was not made perfect, He always was perfect. Also, the day that those…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic 2 Commandments, in Which Way do YOU Love Jesus in the forum Scriptural Teachings 7 years, 10 months ago
Nick,
you said: Why would I look for a group of similar believers?
The body of Christ gathers together for encouraging one another and to learn about God’s Word and for taking communion, corporate worship and even discipline. Jesus went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath to gather with the Jews.
How can a toe not be with the foot or the finger with…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Mikeboll's belief in a flat world in the forum View Points 7 years, 10 months ago
Hi Dig4truth,
you said:
Both examples must have a firmament for this thought experiment to work. In the case of the car the firmament is the roof and in the airplane it is the body of the plane.
Without a firmament there could be no way that the Jenga blocks could stand up.
The layers of atmosphere provide that firm expanse. Other forces work…[Read more]
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