This is interesting in that the verse DOES NOT claim that had glory WHEN the world was… only BEFORE. Yet another scripture claim CREATED the world and all things within… and then another STATES that it was the FATHER who created everything ‘through’ the Son. Well, if only had glory BEFORE the world was, the question is then: ‘What GLORY did…

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You say that he didn’t come in the flesh. If you argument is to solidify this position, then what is the use of me even reading your argument. I wouldn’t dare believe that he didn’t come in the flesh. Until you can tell me you repent and believe that he did come in the flesh, then what is the use in hearing the details?

You say that he didn’t come in the flesh. If you argument is to solidify this position, then what is the use of me even reading your argument. I wouldn’t dare beleive that he didn’t come in the flesh. Until you can tell me you repent and believe that he did come in the flesh, then what is the use in hearing the details?

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Your following words are pointless if you stand by your previous statement which I will quote again:

‘Jesus’ is NOT whom scriptures says came in the flesh.

This is how we know the Antichrist spirit and I know that those who have this spirit have all kinds of enticing arguments to show others their logical reasoning. But the elephant is…[Read more]

1) ‘Jesus’ is NOT whom scriptures says came in the flesh. It is the WORD that came, God’s Word, God’s PROMISE OF A SAVIOUR (a Christ). John the Baptist did not call Jesus,’The word’ but rather, ‘The Light’:

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they ar…[Read more]

t8, I see you have no intention to answer my question but instead to post reply evasive responses.

Let me then put some propositions to you which you will agree to and I will say, ‘Why didn’t you just reply to me like this?’

 

The funny thing is I cannot read minds Jael. You asked:

t8, can you explain what you mean by: ‘Jesus is the uni…

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As for the meaning of son, you can think of the…[Read more]

The rest of your post is not worth discussing as it appears to be based in this misunderstanding that these angels were fallen angels. I would like to remind you that the video and other teachers do not say these angels were fallen, rather it is these who are fallen.
Genesis 6
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face…[Read more]

The rest of your post is not worth discussing as it appears to be based in this misunderstanding that these angels were fallen angels. I would like to remind you that the video and other teachers do not say these angels were fallen, rather it is these who are fallen.
Genesis 6
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At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…

Who were the…

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At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.…

Who were the…

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Help? I posted  a reply to  Andrew but I don’t see it. Has it been deleted?

Can you see it on the following page? Note: there is a load more link if the posts displayed are too recent.

http://heavennet.net/members/jael/

If you cannot see it, then I guess it is gone. Don’t know why. The site could have gone down the the moment you pos…[Read more]

Help? I posted  a reply to  Andrew but I don’t see it. Has it been deleted?

Can you see it on the following page? Note: there is a load more link if the posts displayed are too recent.

Site-Wide Activity

If you cannot see it, then I guess it is gone. Don’t know why. The site could have gone down that the moment you posted it.

@jael

you asked:

The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !) why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

First off…YHVH GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to mean…

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you asked:

The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !)  why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

First off…YHVH GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to m…[Read more]

you asked:

The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !)  why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

First off…GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to mean, in…[Read more]

you asked:
LU, where do you see anything from me about a mistake concerning Proverbs.

It was when you gave the ESV as the translation that you quoted from for Proverbs 8:22 but you misquoted which gave it a whole different meaning.

You also asked:

LU, Jesus is a man, born holy and sinless by means of the overshadowing of a virgin (Mary) by…

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Well, is that your way of admitting that you were indeed wrong with your quote of Proverbs 8:22? You simply dismiss it and not admit it. Also, learn about Hebrew words and their genders regarding terms like life and soul for instance.

Well, is that your way of admitting that you were indeed wrong with your quote of Proverbs 8:22? You simply dismiss it and not admit it. Also, learn about Hebrew words and their genders. This should be eye opening for you if you care to see:…[Read more]

Colossians 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold t…[Read more]

You speak to Jael as if you agree with him and his theology. Seriously? He doesn’t even believe in the pre-existence of Christ.

Also, you speak as if I am alone in my beliefs even when the Nicene Creed is what I believe in. Is that wise? Do you think I wrote the Nicene Creed? Do you really believe that I invented that creed? How silly. I’m…[Read more]

you said a bunch of wrong asumptions here:

a.You seem to think that we live by the Nicene Creed. No, Lu, WE (I) DO NOT.

b.You see no credit given to God for raising Christ: ‘He rose again on the third day’, as if he did so of himself!! This because the creed would have to explain how Jesus is God but had to be raised by someone GREATER – t…

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you said a bunch of wrong asumptions here:

a.You seem to think that we live by the Nicene Creed. No, Lu, WE (I) DO NOT.

b.You see no credit given to God for raising Christ: ‘He rose again on the third day’, as if he did so of himself!! This because the creed would have to explain how Jesus is God but had to be raised by someone GREATER – t…

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You are so confused.

you said:

Since trinitarians and JiG’s believe they are all the ONE PERSON…

Trinitarians believe they are three persons. You don’t even seem to know the basics of the trinity doctrine yet you debate it? Is that wise?

Seriously, you can’t see it?

you asked:

LU, read biblehub: “English Standard Version
“The LORD possessed me , the first of his acts of old.” (my brackets)

Where is my ‘misquote’?

Here is your original quote:

Suffice it to say that ‘an eternal son’ does not match with ‘possessed me as the first of his works’.

Those two quotes of yours a…[Read more]

you asked:

Lu, are you saying Jesus created mankind?

The unity of God made mankind of which the Father, Son and their Spirit are part of.

Genesis 1 25God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26Then God said, “L…[Read more]

you said:

God is not a man’…that you should equate human fatherhood with the Spirit of God as Father.

Do human fathers have eternal sons within them? No. I am not equating the fatherhood of God to human fatherhood at all. Think…

Regarding Jesus as the second Adam…simply put…the One through whom the first Adam was created became par…[Read more]

Well, well…interesting to read your thoughts about what I believe while misquoting me, twisting my words, etc. Are ya’ll trying to do this on purpose for some strange satisfaction? Is that wise or does that show a lack? For instance, let me start with some of Jael’s comments:

Jael, you said:

She thinks of the PHYSICAL (fleshly)…

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Jael, you asked Andrew this:

Andrew, you should read what the scripture says, not what you WANT it to say.

Where does the text you wrote say that the father reveals the son?

Nowhere. It only says that the son reveals the father…

I assume that Andrew can handle this himself  but since this is an open discussion, I am willing to help you al…[Read more]

you say things but you don’t realize how you affirm the unity of the Father, Son and their Holy Spirit. Think about it, my young friend. The Son does nothing to completion apart from the Father and likewise, the Father does nothing to completion apart from the Son.

Who made the Father the creator? Answer…The Son who was the eternal life…[Read more]

Just meditate on the perfect, eternal unity of the Father and the Son with an open mind.

you said:

Lu, ever heard of the word, ‘OXYMORON’??

‘God has more authority than his son but they are both equal’!!

You, Jael, as a son of your earthly father, were subordinate to him while he was raising you. However, during that time and also now, you have both been equally human have you not??

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For…[Read more]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.…[Read more]

Why do you write things to me as if I were supporting the three person/one God doctrine?

you said:

THE FATHER and the Spirit JESUS are NOT the SAME PERSONAL SPIRIT.

My response: I assume you meant to say the Spirit “of” Jesus there and my response will reflect that correction. Correct me if I assumed wrong. The spirit of the Father and the spirit of the Son are NOT the same personal spirit. That is also how I understand it.…[Read more]

you said:

THE FATHER and the Spirit JESUS are NOT the SAME PERSONAL SPIRIT.

My response: I assume you meant to say the Spirit “of” Jesus there and my response will reflect that correction. Correct me if I assumed wrong. The spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son are NOT the same personal spirit. That is also how I understand it.…[Read more]

you asked me:

Lu, how can JESUS be ‘ULTIMATE IN ALL CATEGORIES if he is SUBORDINATE TO THE Father?

Within the unity of God there is a level of authority and one is subject to the other because one was brought out of (begotten from) the other as His very own Son. Surely the one who begat would have more authority than the one who was b…[Read more]

You said:

LU, ‘God of God, Lord of Lords’ is speaking about GOD ALMIGHTY. There is no where where Jesus is mentioned as being ‘God of Gods and Lord of lords’.

My response:

Paul explains that the God of gods and the Lord of Lords is, for us, both, together, the Father AND the Son.

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You are a perfect example of a person who sees but cannot see. It is like you see the mountain without the valley. You cannot have one without the other, my friend. Think about it.

Jael, what you said here “God is ONE… Not a multiple…” is true but the “oneness” is an interdependent unity, not an independent singularity nor is it a t…[Read more]

you said:

Like, that does not make any sense at all.

‘They are both God’?

My response:

I said that together they are God, not independantly. We do not have two independent Gods. We have one God who is the Father together with His Son and their Holy Spirit. God the Father is not God apart from His Son and their Holy Spirit.

You asked me…[Read more]

you said:

Like, that does not make any sense at all.

‘They are both God’?

My response:

I said that together they are God, not independantly. We do not have two independent Gods. We have one God who is the Father together with His Son and their Holy Spirit. God the Father is not God apart from His Son and their Holy Spirit.

You asked me…[Read more]

you asked:

LU, what do you mean by ‘The Father and the son and THEIR HOLY SPIRIT’?

Are there TWO or just ONE Holy Spirit – and – WHOSE HOLY SPIRIT does SCRIPTURES say it is?

The Father has His own spirit, the Son has His own spirit. They are in complete unity as one Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is ever within them and has the potenti…[Read more]

you asked:

LU, what do you mean by ‘The Father and the son and THEIR HOLY SPIRIT’?

Are there TWO or just ONE Holy Spirit – and – WHOSE HOLY SPIRIT does SCRIPTURES say it is?

The Father has His own spirit, the Son has His own spirit. They are in complete unity as one Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is ever within them and has the potenti…[Read more]

you asked me:

If Jesus were God….LU… Why would we need to go through God to reach God?

Together they are God, not independantly. We go through Jesus because He is the way to the Father.

you said:

You will see that Jesus did not state, NOR DID ANY FIRST CENTURY APOSTLE, that Jesus was GOD, neither that Jesus was YAHWEH.

If you have the eyes to see, you would see that He did and that they did. But you don’t have the eyes to see this. I’m trying to help you, my young friend.

Answer this question:

In the power of what name…[Read more]

you asked:

Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?

There would still have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam and Eve and all their descendants still needed Him to create them, give them life and care for them. It is through the Father AND the Son A…[Read more]

you asked:

Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?

There would still have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam et al, still needed Him to create them and care for them.

“Let US make man.”

you asked:

Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?

There would stll have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam et al, still needed Him to create them and care for them.

“Let US make man.”

Slow down cause you are getting very confused and confusing. You are having a supposed dialogue with me while supplying words as if they were mine but they are not like “procreate” and “incubate” and Jesus as an “adopted son” and “begotten of Him BEFORE eternity,” etc., etc.. Come out of your world of confusion young man. Ask me one…[Read more]