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NICK… JOHN WAS “BOTH” THE MESSENGER AND SLAVE OF BOND SERVANT OF JESUS AS WELL. I DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE TAKEN ANYTHING OUT OF THE MEANING OF THE “ORIGINAL” GREEK TEXT. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi GB,
Yes.
Jesus Christ was speaking to John.
How does that affect your claims about the first verse?
Many speak to John in Revelation.
Nick…..It’s not vital, it was just interesting how the GREEK LINEAR I READ PUT IT, no big deal brother.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
T8…..I AM NOT FLIP FLOPING, BOTTON LINE IS, Jesus was referencing GOD THE FATHER, AS THE ROCK, WHICH IS THE POWER, HE WOULD BUILD THE CHURCH BY. ROCK, POWER, ALL REFERENCE ONE GOD. Your effort to muddy the waters of truth changes nothing.
So hearing God is not that rock then?
Hi,
Peter spoke what he had been taught by the Spirit.
Jesus rejoiced and built his church on that development.
T8…..Anyone who has the spirit of God in them will say the samething Peter said, because the SPIRIT WILL ALSO REAVEAL IT UNTO THEM. GOD THE FATHER IS THE “ROCK”, JESUS BUILDS THE CHURCH ON. Just as he said he would. Why do you continue to rob God of “HIS” WORK IN HUMANITY?
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi T8,
Paul said
I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.
Could Jesus Christ have said the same or was he different?
T8…..Anyone who has the spirit of God in them will say the samething Peter said, because the SPIRIT WILL ALSO REAVEAL IT UNTO THEM. GOD THE FATHER IS THE “ROCK”, JESUS BUILDS THE CHURCH ON. Just as he said he would. Why do you continue to rob God of “HIS” WORK IN HUMANITY?
So when Jesus replied to Peter, he WASN’T saying that Jesus being the son of God and the messiah was that rock?
Hi T8,
Paul said
I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.
Could Jesus Christ have said the same or was he different?
Yes it is only because of God that anything is possible. Even Jesus spoke what HE heard the Father speak.
He did the Father’s will. He said, “not my will but your will…”.
Anything else you need help with? I am here to help.
T8….No he wasn’t , he was telling Peter that it was GOD THE FATHER WHO “REAVEALED” that “TRUTH” UNTO HIM, an JESUS said he “also” know who PETER WAS BY THAT SAME “REVELATION” FROM GOD, and he then said to PETER THAT, THE POWER OF GOD TO “REAVEAL” in the minds of people who JESUS is, was THE “ROCK”, that he would “use” to build the church.
Why can’t you understand that T8?
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
hi
Hab 1:5 “Look at the nations and watch—
and be utterly amazed.
For I am going to do something in your days
that you would not believe,
even if you were told.
Hab 1:6 I am raising up the Babylonians,
that ruthless and impetuous people,
who sweep across the whole earth
to seize dwelling places not their own.
Hab 1:7 They are a feared and dreaded people;
they are a law to themselves
and promote their own honor.
Hab 1:8 Their horses are swifter than leopards,
fiercer than wolves at dusk.
Their cavalry gallops headlong;
their horsemen come from afar.
They fly like a vulture swooping to devour;
Hab 1:9 they all come bent on violence.
Their hordes advance like a desert wind
and gather prisoners like sand.
Hab 1:10 They deride kings
and scoff at rulers.
They laugh at all fortified cities;
they build earthen ramps and capture them.
Hab 1:11 Then they sweep past like the wind and go on—
guilty men, whose own strength is their god.”Hab 1:12 O LORD, are you not from everlasting?
My God, my Holy One, we will not die.
O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment;
O Rock, you have ordained them to punish.
Hab 1:13 Your eyes are too pure to look on evil;
you cannot tolerate wrong.
Why then do you tolerate the treacherous?
Why are you silent while the wicked
swallow up those more righteous than themselves?RO 9:33 just as it is written,
“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,
AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”rock; mean = solid foundation that cannot be undone
Hi,
And the rock of the Spirit still causes offence.
Men stumble over it trying to make sense of what seems to be a man’s words.
Nick
you should know you have made up your own rock to believe in ;and the worse is that you try to take those in Christ to follow your rock ,
you stumble and witches that all you talk to also stumble away from the truth of the scriptures ;
Terricca, my how you try to force scripture to say what they are not saying at all. Why don’t you also quote scriptures that shou that ALMIGHTYGOD IS THE “ONLY” TRUE ROCK WHY do you continually rob GOD TH FATHER OF “HIS” GLORY AND GIVE IT TO JESUS, something JESUS NEVER DID. Jesus full well know who the “ROCK” was, and it was not him. We honor JESUS TO THE “GLORY OF GOD” , you on the other hand rob from GOD THE FATHER AND GIVE TO JESUS. That is “EXACTLY” what SATAN wants all his servants to do.
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Terricca, i have offered hundreds if not thousands of scriptures but you still do not get it, i am not GOD and who GOD HAS BLINDED THEY SIMPLY ARE AND WILL REMAIN BLIND, UNLESS JUST AS IT SAYS, “UNLESS” THE “LORD” ( OUR AND JESUS’ GOD) BUILD THE HOUSE THE WEARY BUILDERS BUILD IN VAIN. YOU have build your house on sand Terricca, and when the test comes it will calaps. THE HOUSE JESUS BUILDS IS OF GOD THE FATHER ,THE “ONLY TRUE” ROCKK, THAT IS ACCORDING TO JESUS WHO SAID “UPON “THIS” ROCK, I WILL BUILD THE CHURCH’, AND HE WAS NOT SPEAKIBG OF HIMSELF OR PETER,BUT THE POWER OF GOD THE FATHER, TO REAVEAL THE TRUTH TO, HE ALONE IS THE “ONLY” TRUE SAVIOR AND “ROCK”. NO MATTER WHO HE DOES IT THROUGH. HE “ALONE” IS THE “POWER” BEHIND IT “ALL” without exception.
YOU are of those who ROB GOD, AND Exhault JESUS, something Jesus never did. You are in error and so are your misunderstood teachings. IMO and ohers i might add.
peace and love to you and yours……gene
Gene
Terricca, i have offered hundreds if not thousands of scriptures but you still do not get it, i am not GOD and who GOD HAS BLINDED THEY SIMPLY ARE AND WILL REMAIN BLIND, UNLESS JUST AS IT SAYS, “UNLESS” THE “LORD” ( OUR AND JESUS’ GOD) BUILD THE HOUSE THE WEARY BUILDERS BUILD IN VAIN. YOU have build your house on sand Terricca, and when the test comes it will calaps. THE HOUSE JESUS BUILDS IS OF GOD THE FATHER ,THE “ONLY TRUE” ROCKK, THAT IS ACCORDING TO JESUS WHO SAID “UPON “THIS” ROCK, I WILL BUILD THE CHURCH’, AND HE WAS NOT SPEAKIBG OF HIMSELF OR PETER,BUT THE POWER OF GOD THE FATHER, TO REAVEAL THE TRUTH TO, HE ALONE IS THE “ONLY” TRUE SAVIOR AND “ROCK”. NO MATTER WHO HE DOES IT THROUGH. HE “ALONE” IS THE “POWER” BEHIND IT “ALL” without exception.
YOU are of those who ROB GOD, AND Exhault JESUS, something Jesus never did. You are in error and so are your misunderstood teachings. IMO and ohers i might add.
============================================================================================================================================================you hardly offer a scripture with trouble you give bits and pieces of them ,just look at your quotes ,
I have given you scriptures but do you look at them NO,do you even read them ? NO
but you answered them as if they do not exist ,what a waste of time
Terraricca…..IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES US OUR UNDERSTANDINGS OF TRUTH, IF YOU HAVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH “IN” YOU YOU COULD EASELY UNDERSTAND WHO JESUS WAS CALLING THE “ROCK” IN THE SCRIPTURE I HAVE “COMPLETELY” QUOTED HERE MANY,MANY,MANY TIMES. YOU DESTORT NOT ONLY WHAT I SAY BUT LIE ABOUT ME NOT QUOTING COMPLETE SCRIPTURES ALSO. WHY ARE YOU NOT AFRAID TO LIE ABOUT US, BLASPHEMING against the SPIRIT CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS BOTH IN THIS LIFE AND THE LIFE TO COME. I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO USE MORE CAUSION IN THE FUTURE. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………gene
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