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T8…..GOD IS THE “ROCK” THAT THE TRUE CHURCH IS BUILT ON, YOU CANNOT SEPERATE GOD FRON HIS POWER, IT’S ALL ABOUT “ONE GOD” HIS POWER AND HIM ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. YOU MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT JESUS SAID, ” NO MAN “CAN”COME UNTO ME UNLESS THE FATHER “DRAW” HIM”, THAT IS SAYING IT IS GOD THE FATHER “AND” HIS POWER, THAT BUILDES THE CHURCH, HOW DO YOU SEPERATE GOD THE FATHER FROM HIS POWERS?
AGAIN WE HAVE BEEN PEOVEN RIGHT BY SCRIPTURES, and I have not changed my mind one bit concerning this topic, i will stand by it, even though you try to say i have changed , i maintain as i always have that itis God the Father Who “IS” the “ROCK” that JESUS uses to build his church on. You dicing scripture up to try to save face won’t work here brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
T8…..GOD IS THE “ROCK” THAT THE TRUE CHURCH IS BUILT ON,
You flip-flop between God being that rock or hearing God as being the rock.
You appear double minded.
T8…..I AM NOT FLIP FLOPING, BOTTON LINE IS, Jesus was referencing GOD THE FATHER, AS THE ROCK, WHICH IS THE POWER, HE WOULD BUILD THE CHURCH BY. ROCK, POWER, ALL REFERENCE ONE GOD. Your effort to muddy the waters of truth changes nothing.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi GB,
Rev 1
“The revelation of Jesus Christ
which God gave him
to show to His bond-servants,
the things which must shortly take place;
and He sent and communicated it by His angel
to His bond servant John”
And somehow John BECOMES for you that angel??
NICK…..Yes, i believe JOHN was that messenger JESUS , sent to the seven churches.
HERE IS HOW THE GREEK ENGLISH CONCORDANCE PUTS IT, “UNCOVERING of Jesus Christ that gave to him the God to show to the slaves of him what is necessary to become in quickness, and he signified having delegated through his messenger of him to the slave of him, JOHN, who testified the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ”.
NICK… i believe it was God the Father WHO GAVE IT TO JESUS, WHO GAVE IT TO HIS MESSENGER , JOHN, TO GIVE IT TO THE SERVANTS OF GOD.
This is just how i see it brother, i could be wrong, but when i read itin the GREEK ENGLISH CONCORDANCE IT DOES APPEAR DIFFERENT.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
NICK….The word used there could be bond servant just as easely. imo
NICK look, just read it TOTALLY and you should see it is JESUS SPEAKING TO JOHN HIS SERVANT TO THE CHURCHES. I AM NOT SAYING I AM 100 PERSENT RIGHT ON THIS BUT THAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WAY, WHEN YOU PUT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE THING INTO CONTEXT.
WHERE IT SAYS “HIS ANGEL” IT COULD READ “BY HIS OWN MESSENGER” “UNTO” WAS ADDED TO THE TEXT, GO AND READ A KING JAMESTRANSLATION THAT HAS THE TRANSLATION GREEK WORDING THERE AND YOU WILL SEE THE WORD “UNTO” DOES NOT HAVE A GREEK TRANSLATION NUMBER GIVEN THERE. BECAUSE IT WAS ADDED , IMO.
IT NOT THE END OF THE WORLD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE WORD “UNTO” WAS ADDED.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
NICK….Not two, JOHN WAS A MESSENGER OF JESUS AS WELL AS A BOND SERVANT, WHICH IS ALSO WRITTEN AS SLAVE IN THE GREEK. NICK if you read it in the orignial Greek you can see what i am saying brother. NICK THE word ANGEL does not appear in the GREEK TEXT either, MESSENGER DOES.
Maybe kerwin could shed some light on his subject. If you are reading this Kerwin please give your insite on what the original Greek implies.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi GB,
So you offer us a scripture that you think says what you want it to say.
When shown it does not you hope to find it in the Greek.
How far will you go in defence of your own ideas?
NICK…..I offer what the GREEK says, word for word, and it’s not my fault you or anyone else do not accept it. The GREEK does not use the word angel there, but “messenger”, and it does show it was John, not an angelic “being”, spoken of there, as many supose. JOHN was to deliever what GOD gave to JESUS to show his servants the things that were to come, and he did it through his bond servant JOHN, WHO WROTE IT DOWN AND GAVE IT TO THE CHURCHES.
NICK, why are you TRYING TO MAKE this about ME ? It’s not about me at all, it’s about what the text actually say. There are many mistranslated texts in our present bibles. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi GB,
You admit you do not understand Greek but now say the translators must be wrong.
How could anyone come to the conclusion that this had something to do with your obstinate self belief?
Spirit is intellect?
Nike ….. IF WHAT I HAVE SAID IS NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY IN THE GREEK , THEN PLEASE POINT IT OUT TO ME. I HAVE JUST QUOTED WHAT GREEK TRANSLATIONS I READ HAVE WRITTEN , IN FACT THAT WORD “UNTO” ISN’T EVEN IN ONE GREEK TRANSLATION I HAVE LOOKED AT SO FAR NOR IS ANGEL AS IN ANGELIC BEING EITHER.. THAT WAS WHY I ASK KERWIN TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, TO SEE WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT IT. Why do you simple jump over what is said and start YOUR TRASH talk, again?
I AM WILLING TO LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY IF PROVEN WRONG, SO WHY NOT SPEND YOU ENERGY TO SHOW WHERE THE TRANSLATION I HAVE OFFERED AND THE WAY IT APPEARS TO ME, IS WRONG, WOULDN’T THAT BE BETTER THEN TRYING TO MAKE ME LOOK INGORANT IN OTHERS EYES.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
NICK…..How is that trying to protect my pride if as i said, “I AM WILLING TO LOOK AT IT DIFERENTLY, IF PROVEN WRONG. PROOF IS HARDLY, the “accusitory spirit” working in you NICK.
It appears you have the “pride” problem here, not me.
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
NICK…..As I have said I have no problem of being proven wrong,but just to say it without scriptural proof is quite a different thing.
lets continue a little more in this subject of who was speaking to JOHN IN REVELATIONS OK? Now concider who was speaking to JOHN IN
Rev 1:11, Was that an angel or was it JESUS SPEAKING AND TELLING John to write in a book, what he sees, and send it unto the seven churches? It appears it was Jesus himself speaking directly to JOHN, right?peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi GB,
As Rev one shows there are many who speak in the book.
Take care with the words.Do not add or remove as Rev 22 advises strongly.
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