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Danny Dabbs,
1 John 2:22 does not actually apply to anyone except in the manner that all heretics preach a different Jesus than the real one. Every one here believes Jesus was conceived as a human being and so believes Jesus came in the flesh.
2 John 1:7 possibly should be translated as Jesus is currently coming in the flesh. That disagrees agrees with some of the hypothesis that go around hear since there are those that believe he is not currently in the flesh. The problem is that it seems to be difficult for experts to translate as it is translated differently in different translations. In short it cannot be used as a proof text in making a case again those that believe Jesus in no longer in the flesh.
Kerwin….My post to T8….WAS TO SHOW HIM HE IS WRONG, WITH REGUARDS TO “THE ROCK”, IN MAT15:16-17, Jesus was speaking of, in those scriptures “ONLY”. It had nothing to do with rather he believes in GOD AND/OR JESSUS. MY POINT WAS THAT JESUS USED THE TERM ” I say unto you “Also” was to point out Jesus “ALSO” had the same reaveling knowledge from God the Father to, the same as PETER HAD, and that power from God was the “ROCK” he would use to build the church.
T8…..does not see it that way kerwin.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
If the Spirit of God wrote the bible through human vessels why do you not give the glory to God?
Why do you think that I am not? You are speaking falsely again.
If I speak the words of God, then yes God gets the glory. If I do the work of God, then yes God gets the glory.
He gets the glory for all good things because he is the Most High.
Even when you condemn and judge me I give God the glory. If I have been found worthy of attack because of my faith, then that is a privilege.
Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.
You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
“Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God”
I have learned to rejoice in adversity. And love is the evidence of our birth because God is love.
Do you love us, or do you instead speak badly of another man’s servants.
Yes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Then you admit your teaching is wrong then. Because he was born ‘Jesus’ right, that you cannot deny, yet you say that he was not the Christ when he was born. So clearly this Jesus who was born in a manger was not the Christ to you.
How will you answer when your doctrine teaches clearly that Jesus became the Christ at baptism, when we know he was born as a baby called Jesus and you just admitted that Jesus is the Christ. But then you have to say, oh no, not that Jesus but another one. And older one.
T8…..You believe JESUS WAS THE CHRIST AT BERTH, while he indeed was the one prophesied to be the Christ, so in that sense a prophetic sense, he was born to be the Christ, but that “ANOINTING”, MAKING HIM A CHRISTO’S OR ANOINITED PERSON, DID NOT HAPPEN TILL HE, “JESUS”, WAS BAPTIZED AT THE JORDAN RIVER. He did not have that anointing on him till it actually happened. What do you do with all those scriptures that show that T8, do you just throw them out as if they did not exist?
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi,
Before speaking of the foundation rock Jesus said to Simon Peter
Mt 16
Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father Who is in heaven
That is the context
And much of what he said next was repeated to the other disciples in Mt 18.18 f
Hi t8,
Yes the Christ was born at Bethlehem.
But he was not yet anointed.
Good Nick. You now teach that he was born the Christ as scripture tells us.
Before you were saying that he was not the Christ at that stage of his life.
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T8….THE CHRISTO’S WAS NEVER BORN, THE ANOINTING SPIRIT ALWAYS EXISTED, it came to be in the man JESUS, at the JORDAN RIVER AT HIS BAPTIZM. Jesus was bornan ordinary human being, he was not “morphed” from one existence to another as all false christanity says, nor did he ever prexist his berth on the earth. Not a single scripture shows any previous activity of JESUS, befor his human berth on this earth.
Jesus was a SON OF GOD, because he was concieved by God in Mary, the “ONLY” HUMAN EVER CONCIEVED and BEGOTTEN (BORN) THROUGH A HUMAN BERTH PROCESS BY GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF. HE IS ALSO A SON OF MAN, BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS A HUMAN BEING, A DECENDENT OF KING DAVID, HE BECAME ASPRITUAL SON OF GOD WHEN HE RECIEVED THE ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD AT THE JORDAN RIVER, AND FROM THERE WAS SENT INTO THE WILDERNESS TO BE TESTED FOR 40 DAYS, AND AFTER THAT, OUT INTO THE WORLD TO PREACH THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
JESUS’ BERTH WAS NO GREATER THE THAT OF ADAM AND EVE, AS FAR AS A MERICALE IS CONCERNED, AND ADAM IS ALSO CALLED A SON OF GOD,HE WAS NOT BORN BUT A CREATED SON, JESUS WAS A “BORN” HUMAN SON OF GOD. THE ONLY ONE WHO EVER WAS A HUMAN, BORN OF FLESH, AS A SON OF GOD HIMSELF.
BUT NON OF THAT MADE JESUS ONE OUNCE DIFFERENT THE WE ARE, AS BEING HUMAN GOES. HE WAS THE FIRST HUMAN OF “MANKIND” TO BE BORN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD, AND THE FIRST FROM HUMANITY TO RECIEVE ETERNAL LIFE. HE IS THE FIRSTBORN AND THEREFORE HOLD THAT POSITION IN THE FAMILY OF GOD AS THE FIRST “BORN” .
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi t8,
You did not understand.
Perhaps now you do?
Yes I understand that you were saying that he was not the Christ at that stage in his life. But have you changed your mind on this for sure? Was he born the Christ? Elsewhere I have read that you say he became the Christ at the baptism of John meaning that he could not have been the Christ at birth. To sum up what I have heard you teach is that you basically say that Jesus Christ was born at the baptism of John and Jesus the man was born at birth. But scripture says that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
T8….THE CHRISTO’S WAS NEVER BORN, THE ANOINTING SPIRIT ALWAYS EXISTED
Irrelevant to the point Gene.
Jesus Christ was born in a manger and men came and honoured this baby as the Christ sent by God. Would you have done the same?
Hi t8,
The powers of God expressed among men reveal the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
If you teach that Jesus was born anointed when does scripture show this and what powers did the infant demonstrate?
Hi t8,
You taught that the anointing at the Jordan was just some sort of public revelation of a previous event did you not?
Did God teach you this personally or is it just to justify your false teaching of a prior anointing?
If you teach that Jesus was born anointed when does scripture show this and what powers did the infant demonstrate?
Listen carefully Nick. I believe that when he came in the flesh, he was Jesus Christ. He was born Jesus Christ and recognised as such. You cannot condemn what I am saying can you?
You taught that the anointing at the Jordan was just some sort of public revelation of a previous event did you not?
I taught the following because it is written:
John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’
You see, John testified to the one and the sign given him as to who that was, is what I was saying. Twisting words to win a debate Nick is not good. Whatever accusation you throw at me, you cannot defeat the truth that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Ask yourself at what point he came in the flesh. Was it at the Jordan or when he was born in a manger.
Hi T8,
Despite the fact that the infant did nothing to reveal the mighty power of God
and was yet even to be named
you cling to the traditional understanding.
tradition cannot cope with the Spirit.
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