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Hi T8,
You say Jesus existed in the form of God.
Scripture says Christ Jesus.
You need to understand what difference the anointing made to the man.
Your view is humanistic-based on the worship of man.
T8….WE ARE REALLY EXACTLY LIKE HIM, WE ALWAYS WERE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE betwween Jesus and us is that God supplied his male DNA, therefore he is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, not the only son, but the ONLY BEGOTTEN (HUMAN BORN ) SON. My question to you is why are you trying so hard to make him appear as different them we are.
You quote scriptures that do not “specificly” say what you infer, you take scriptures out of context to force them to say what they infact do not say or imply, like for instance where Paul said, that he existed in the form of God, with out realizing Paul was speaking about when he was on earth, before his asention, but you force it to mean, before he came to earth he existed in the form or image of God. You misrepresent the time Paul was speaking of, not understanding that Paul or any of the apostles “only” knew about his previous existence as a human being on this earth, they had no recall of any Pryor existence of Jesus, before his berth on this earth, so how could they mention anything about him prexisting in heaven as a sentinal being before his berth on this earth?
Another point is why would God the Father even do that in the first place , what point would that make to anyone, if a preexisting perfect being came to earth as a morphed being, and walked perfectly, he would already have been perfect before he came, so what would that prove to us, “nothing”. The scripture that says sin intered by man and by man it was atoned fore would not hold up, seening he was not a pure human being exactly like the rest of us. Scripture portrays and contrasts Jesus as the last “Adam” right, well was the first Adam a prexisting human being also? How is it you can understand the first Adam as comming into existence at his creation, but can’t understand the Second Adam did also.
Why does it disapointing to you, to see another one of us humans beings reached perfection through the power of HIS FATHER AND OUR FATHER, GOD. DO YOU THINK GOD THE FATHER IS SO WEAK HE COULD NOT BRING INTO EXISTENCE BY BERTH A PURE HUMAN BEING HE COULD PERFECT AND RAISE FROM THE DEAD AND GRANT HIM ETERNAL LIFE, AS AN EXAMPLE TO US ALL OF OUR POTENTIAL? THE SAME God Who perfected Our brother Jesus, is he not able to perfect us also?
FACE the truth T8, you really do not see Jesus as another human being you have moved him away from you own idenity with him, and made him different then you are right?, you have fallen for the biggest LIE EVER FOSTERED ON HUMANITY, Satan’s “DOCTRINE OF DEPERATION” you have bought into the biggest lie in Christianity, along with billions of others.
All the answers are there T8, had you understood that Jesus is a prototype of us, in the plan and will of GOD YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD TO BE “EXACTLY” LIKE US IN “EVERY” WAY. JESUS IS THE FINISH PRODUCT OF GOD’S WHOLE HUMAN CREATION PLAN, HE IS THE FULLFILLED PURPOSE GOD THE FATHER WHICH HE, HAS PLANED FOR US ALL. WE HUMAN ARE INTENDED TO BE THE HIGHEST ORDER OF GOD’S CREATION, THERE IS NO CREATION DESTINED HIGHER THE WE ARE. JESUS IS JUST THE FIRST OF MANY BROTHERS TO HAVE ATTAINED IT, THE FIRST NOT THE ONLY.
OR HAVEN’T YOU READ, Hebrews 2:6-8..” what is man (mankind) that you are mindful of him? Or the son of man (mankind), that you visit him (mankind)? You have made him(mankind) a little lower then the angels, you crowned him (mankind) with glory and honour, and did set him (mankind) over the works of your hands: YOU have put “ALL” things under his (mankinds) feet. For in that he put “ALL” things in subjection to him (mankind), he left “NOTHING” that is not “UNDER” him (Mankind)”.
DO YOU SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF “ALL” HUMANITY T8, WE ARE NOT A LESSOR FORMS OF BEINGS, BUT JUST THE OPPOSITE WE ARE VERY HIGHELY EXAULTED BY GOD HIMSELF AND PLACE OVER “ALL” THE WORKS OF HIS HANDS , NOT JUST PART OF IT BUT “ALL” OF IT. That is all our potential T8. Jesus is proof to us that that potential is obtainable for us all, how because he was a human that made it to that goal with God’s help, and with God the Fathers help we can ALL achieve it also. Why is JESUS a proof to us, because he is “EXACTLY” AS WE ARE IN “EVERY” WAY WITHOUT EXCEPTION, A FELLOW HUMAN BEING AND STILL IS.
JESUS WAS AND IS A SON OF MAN, HE IS ALSO A SON OF GOD by “HUMAN BERTH”, the only HUMAN BEING God the father begot through humanity, who came into his existence as a human berth process, where God the Father supplied his male DNA. NO other human can say God inpregnated his mother, he did not have a physical human Father, but he did have a physical human mother. But none of that berth process made him’ any different then we are, as far as his humanity goes, he was not morpher from another existence in to Mary’s womb as false christainity would have us all believe.
T8… if you DON’T see JESUS AS PART OF OUR FAMILY OF HUMAN BEING, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT SEE JESUS, and you cannot truly relate with him right either.IMO
T8, GO READ THE THREAD ON Satan’s “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION” and this time please think about it.
He that has eyes to see let him see, he that has ears to hear let him hear.
peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi t8,
If all the works and words of the man Jesus are those of the Spirit within him why would he need heavenly origins?
If all the miracles are the work of God within him why do you think he is of divine origins?
You seem to think he is a another God who gave up his powers.
Get over his humanity and listen to the Spirit.
Nick
you don’t even believe in scriptures unless you approve the way it is written ,you are a pure joker ,
religion freek ,a deceiver , you have denied Jesus the Christ and the only begotten son of God ,for you have made him a man like us ;and yet scriptures tells us that ;
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Phil 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
here are three witnesses that testify against your own believe that with it you have rejected and so place yourself has a antichrist ,
sorry but this is the truth
Nick
Hi t,So in your opinion we do not have a man to follow?
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Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
can you read this scripture ? if yes ,what was it that we could follow ? and when the apostles were all gone tell me what did man add left to follow ?
please answer those question in line thanks
Nick
Hi t,
Jesus told us to follow him.
To whom else should we go?
He has the words of eternal life.
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you seem to have it wrong again .
Jesus can only be followed through his disciples message ;do you not believe the scriptures ?
Nick
you are so ridicule ,that you start to answer your own questions ,for the only reason that you cannot answer mine ,
Hi t8,
Si you do not believe Jesus was aman anointed by God? Acts 10
A ridiculous question Nick, lol. I do not teach that anywhere. If so, feel free to quote. Otherwise better to stay silent and focus on what I actually do say and believe. Resist those negative judgemental urges as you say.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.Nick
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
I have given you this scripture and so told you that we all after the dead of the apostles we are following Jesus through their message ;if not
tell and show me in scriptures ? if not keep quite
Although he existed in the form of God, he emptied himself and came in the flesh.
We read elsewhere that the Word that was with God became flesh and we beheld his glory as the son of God.
Then we read that he is called the Word of God and that he came from Heaven.
He is the firstborn of all creation and the exact image of God.
While in the flesh, he was a man Nick, the second adam (man) to be precise. That answers all your Jesus as a man questions.
As a man he was anointed by God as is written.
At the Jordan he could well have been filled with that which he emptied himself of, but the point is that Jesus Christ was born in a manger whereas you infer that he was born at the Jordan.
You teach that Jesus is not the Christ. And what are we to make of that? You know.
Hi t8,
You misquote me.
Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.
Since he was anointed at the Jordan with the Holy Spirit that is when he became the anointed one.
Before that he was the Christ only prophetically.
T8….You could not be more wrong even if you tried. JESUS is the first born into the kingdom of God “from” all creation. You get it?, he was the “first” BORN, FROM all creation, if he preexisted he would not have been first “BORN” which means comming into existence through a “BERTH” process.
ANOTHER WORDS THROUGH THE WOMB OF A WOMEN, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “BORN”
Your preexistence views destorts all you perceptions of Jesus, not to mention it seperates your personal idenity with him. Go read the thread SATAN’S DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION. I realize you do not realize it but you are participating in causing the teaching of SEPERATION to continue, it is exactly what Satan wants from all who hold to those FALSE TEACHINGS, it is a LIE T8, just as it is stated in 2Ths 2, as PAUL DELIVERED TO THE CHURCHES.
THE teaching of the Morphing of Jesus into a human body is a myth, created to destory the true Faith in God the Father and his power in creating perfecton in all humanity, as he did in Jesus an “ORDINARY” anointed “MAN” of God.
NICK is right in in what he said ON THIS T8. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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