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I can do that ;but tell me how many miracles did they do ; show me the scriptures ok answer me this question ;did the miracles of Christ made all people that sew them follow him and believe in him ————– Pierre

Brother Pierre,

Then SHOW ME the scripture that takes away the Holy Ghost and Power?

I have already told you, signs and wonders were not given to make people to believe.
In other words, signs and wonders were given as the bait to attract the fish.  Then the person hears the message and receives or rejects according to free will.

God Bless
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1) We are not saved by a message at all, we are saved by the FINISHED WORK of GOD. show me scriptures to support your words,please

EPH 2:8 † For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

JOHN 19:30 † When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished:….

God Bless
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I have already told you, signs and wonders were not given to make people to believe. In other words, signs and wonders were given as the bait to attract the fish. Then the person hears the message and receives or rejects according to free will.

this is new to me ,so show me scriptures ,please

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Then SHOW ME the scripture that takes away the Holy Ghost and Power?

I never said that we can not obtain the holy spirit ,but it is the miracles that is gone and there is a reason for it ,i have told you this ,

i do not understand what you mean by POWER so explain

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Quote 1) We are not saved by a message at all, we are saved by the FINISHED WORK of GOD. show me scriptures to support your words,please EPH 2:8 † For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: JOHN 19:30 † When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished:…. God Bless bro Marlin

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Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

did Christ lied

I agree that to be fully come to be past we have to wait Gods time and fulfillement of his promise

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Quote JOHN 14:12 † Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. The greater works spoken of here by Jesus were done in the ministry of the seventh angel, a God sent prophet (seer).  Thousands of people come to Christ in one meeting, Seven truck loads of crutches, wheelchairs and things were hauled away from the grounds from one prayer. I am not sharing your believe on this one ,see I do not belong to a church and have no intention to join a men made church ,the one OF CHRIST IS SUFFICIENT TO ME . IT SEEMS THAT ALL THE MIRACLES THAT ARE DONE ARE DONE WERE NO ONE CAN CHECK THEM ,AND SCRIPTURES TELL US ABOUT DECEIT ,AND scriptures tells us that even Satan will disguise him in an angel of light (truth) Yes my brother there are counterfeits out there. There are also counterfeit dollars, so does that mean we should not use the real ones. All the thousands and thousands of people healed, I guess they just all lied. If you were in the TRUTH, then these signs would be following YOU.  That is what Jesus said. So you my brother deny John 14:12?   † “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 † And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 † If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” Do you disbelieve Mark 16:17-18? “And these signs SHALL follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 † They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.” How about John 15:16? “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.“ John 16:23-24? †  “And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 † Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.” Jesus said, satan can not cast out satan.  He can not heal, he can not create.   MATTHEW 12:25 † And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 † And if satan cast out satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? So because satan can counterfeit a gift, should you not use the gift? The Truth is if the Spirit of God dwells in a person, then the signs SHALL follow that believer.  “THUS SAITH THE LORD” God Bless bro. Marlin

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Jn 14:9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Jn 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jn 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
Jn 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Jn 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
Jn 14:14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

was Jesus talking about his miracles or the works of preaching

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The Word of God comes to the PROPHET (SEER) and to my knowledge, my understanding lines up with the 7th Angel Messenger (Prophet). John the Baptist sent some of his disciples to ask Jesus if He was the one. LUKE 7:22 † Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. This happened again in this last day, yet you still don't believe, just like they didn't in that day. God Bless bro. Marlin

who his that prophet

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SHOW ME ONE scripture, where that was taken away from the TRUE Church. can you show me anyone that has recieved his knowledge directly from one of the apostles or that the hands were imposed on him to receive the holy spirit now having received the holy spirit does not make you qualified for miracles right Quote Quote   I COR 2:4 † And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: SHOW ME ONE scripture, where that was taken away from the TRUE Church. were is the true church have you an name ————– Pierre

Brother Pierre,

I do not see one scripture in all of your belief that the Holy Ghost was taken away.

you said, “can you show me anyone that has recieved his knowledge directly from one of the apostles or that the hands were imposed on him to receive the holy spirit”

NO man can teach it, not APOSTLE or any other MAN.  It has to be revealed by the Holy Ghost.

Many received without the laying on of hands.
the 120 in the upper room.  That is over 10 times your 11.
the 1st Gentiles to come in by Peter.

It is false teaching, let it go.  Go back to the Word.

You say, “were is the true church”
The true church is laying in the son, becoming word.

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those words will come to be against  you,all what i have said is found in scriptures

A twisted understanding of scripture.  But not TRUTH.

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tell me ;how can a person receive the holy spirit and what his the holy spirit

Acts 2:38
REPENT (from your unbelief in the True Word of God) and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, (the only NAME given to man by which he CAN (MUST) be saved),  then you will receive the GIFT of the HOLY GHOST. (when, AFTER you have REPENTED)

And this offer is to all (Jew and Gentile) even as many as the LORD shall CALL.

REPENT, light is ending, DARKEST shall RULE THEN.

God Bless
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I have already told you, signs and wonders were not given to make people to believe. In other words, signs and wonders were given as the bait to attract the fish.  Then the person hears the message and receives or rejects according to free will. this is new to me ,so show me scriptures ,please ————– Pierre

Brother Pierre,

We are saved by GRACE, not by any KIND of WORKS.

Jesus said, follow me and I will make you fishers of MEN.
The people Loved JESUS when He was healing the sick,  but when He started preaching the hard WORD, they almost all left Him.
Signs and Wonders are the bait and only the bait to attract the people.

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who his that prophet

I have already told you the TRUTH of this matter, go and read what you wrote.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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Quote SHOW ME ONE scripture, where that was taken away from the TRUE Church. can you show me anyone that has recieved his knowledge directly from one of the apostles or that the hands were imposed on him to receive the holy spirit now having received the holy spirit does not make you qualified for miracles right Quote Quote   I COR 2:4 † And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: SHOW ME ONE scripture, where that was taken away from the TRUE Church. were is the true church have you an name ————– Pierre Brother Pierre, I do not see one scripture in all of your belief that the Holy Ghost was taken away. you said, “can you show me anyone that has recieved his knowledge directly from one of the apostles or that the hands were imposed on him to receive the holy spirit” NO man can teach it, not APOSTLE or any other MAN.  It has to be revealed by the Holy Ghost. Many received without the laying on of hands. the 120 in the upper room.  That is over 10 times your 11. the 1st Gentiles to come in by Peter. It is false teaching, let it go.  Go back to the Word. You say, “were is the true church” The true church is laying in the son, becoming word. Quote those words will come to be against  you,all what i have said is found in scriptures A twisted understanding of scripture.  But not TRUTH. Quote tell me ;how can a person receive the holy spirit and what his the holy spirit Acts 2:38 REPENT (from your unbelief in the True Word of God) and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, (the only NAME given to man by which he CAN (MUST) be saved),  then you will receive the GIFT of the HOLY GHOST. (when, AFTER you have REPENTED) And this offer is to all (Jew and Gentile) even as many as the LORD shall CALL. REPENT, light is ending, DARKEST shall RULE THEN. God Bless bro. Marlin

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I do not see one scripture in all of your belief that the Holy Ghost was taken away.

who his talking about the holy spirit ,you still can receive it today ,I NEVER SAID THAT IT IS TAKEN AWAY ;

YOU ARE MIX UP IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING

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And this offer is to all (Jew and Gentile) even as many as the LORD shall CALL.

THIS IS TRUE TELL ME WHO IS DOING THE CALL

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I do not see one scripture in all of your belief that the Holy Ghost was taken away. who his talking about the holy spirit ,you still can receive it today ,I NEVER SAID THAT IT IS TAKEN AWAY ; YOU ARE MIX UP IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING ————– Pierre

Brother Pierre,

The Holy Spirit is where the Gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT come from.  These signs SHALL follow them that believe.

You can not say the gifts are gone, but the Holy Ghost is still here.

For to do so, YOU CHANGE an UNCHANGEABLE GOD.

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And this offer is to all (Jew and Gentile) even as many as the LORD shall CALL. THIS IS TRUE TELL ME WHO IS DOING THE CALL

Does not the scripture tell you, God the one and only does all the calling, all the cleaning, all the sealing and filling?

God Bless
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Quote I do not see one scripture in all of your belief that the Holy Ghost was taken away. who his talking about the holy spirit ,you still can receive it today ,I NEVER SAID THAT IT IS TAKEN AWAY ; YOU ARE MIX UP IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING ————– Pierre Brother Pierre, The Holy Spirit is where the Gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT come from.  These signs SHALL follow them that believe. You can not say the gifts are gone, but the Holy Ghost is still here. For to do so, YOU CHANGE an UNCHANGEABLE GOD. Quote And this offer is to all (Jew and Gentile) even as many as the LORD shall CALL. THIS IS TRUE TELL ME WHO IS DOING THE CALL Does not the scripture tell you, God the one and only does all the calling, all the cleaning, all the sealing and filling? God Bless bro. Marlin

SO NOW WHO IS GIVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL ,

AND NOT AS A RITUAL

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SO NOW WHO IS GIVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL , AND NOT AS A RITUAL ————– Pierre

Brother Pierre,

The giving of the Holy Spirit is still given exactly like it was in the beginning.

Peter was given the keys and was told that what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

Then by the Holy Ghost, Peter said what must be done for every person that will be part of God's Church.
ACTS 2:38
Then Peter goes on to say who this Gift is Given to: ACTS 2:39…  AS MANY AS THE LORD SHALL CALL
Now it is bound in heaven and  been revealed in this last day.

For a time God WINKED on true baptism, but not anymore.  Now people everywhere are commanded to REPENT, turn back to the scriptures.

Now I have showed you when it is Given and to Whom it is Given too.

1 Cor 12, shows that signs and wonders or of the Holy Spirit.

So now it is your turn to show where it has been taken away?
Or is your doctrine in ERROR here?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

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So now it is your turn to show where it has been taken away? Or is your doctrine in ERROR here?

what you believe is that wen the holy spirit is given ALL THE GIFTS ARE INCLUDED RIGHT not so;

1Co 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God,

1Co 2:16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.

1Co 3:13 his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work.
1Co 3:14 If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward.

1Co 3:15 If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
1Co 3:16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?

why would this be that God's spirit lives in us believers is it not because we have knowledge of him and that we practice righteousness and God's spirit is it not the holy spirit here

1Co 4:6 Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
1Co 4:7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

1Co 4:8 Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings—and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you!

1Co 4:11 To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.
1Co 4:12 We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;
1Co 4:13 when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.
1Co 4:14 I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children.
1Co 4:15 Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
1Co 4:16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me.

here paul does not mention to imitate Christ miracles but his humble attitude of heart

it seems to me that the holy spirit as more to do with someone that is already clean and fears God,just as it is in ;

Ac 2:5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.
Ac 2:6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.

Ac 2:16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
Ac 2:17 “ ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Ac 2:18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
Ac 2:19 I will show wonders in the heaven above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
Ac 2:20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Ac 2:21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
Ac 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
Ac 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Ac 2:25 David said about him:
“ ‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Ac 2:26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
Ac 2:27 because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
Ac 2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
Ac 2:29 “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.
Ac 2:30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.
Ac 2:31 Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay.
Ac 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
Ac 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Ac 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
Ac 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

TELL ME WHAT WOULD THE HOLY SPIRIT DO TO THOSE MEN WHO ALREADY FEAR GOD

YOUR PROBLEM LAYS WITH YOUR BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS EQUAL TO MIRACLES AND WONDERS BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SCRIPTURES TEACHES ,WONDERS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GOD USES TO DO HIS WILL AS HE SEE FIT NOT YOU OR ME ,

BUT IT IS TRUE THAT ANY ONE THAT KNOW GOD AND REPENT WILL RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT ,BUT YOU NEVER SAY WHAT IS THE OR THAT HOLY SPIRIT

WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN DO MANY THINGS ,BUT IN THE CASE OF THE BELIEVERS IT NEVER CHANGES SO WHAT IS IT THEN

Ac 2:42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Ac 2:43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles

YES CHRIST AD SAY TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WOULD DO WONDERS AND MIRACLES ,

BUT I COULD NOT FIND A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT ALL OR ANY OTHER BELIEVERS DID THOSE WONDERS MAY BE YOU CAN HELP ME HERE

Ac 3:18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer.
Ac 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
Ac 3:20 and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus.
Ac 3:21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

RO 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

1CO 7:20 Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called.
1CO 7:21 Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather do that.
1CO 7:22 For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave.
1CO 7:24 Brethren, each one is to remain with God in that condition in which he was called.

WERE IS IT SAY THAT THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT AND TO DO WHAT

1CO 14:24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;

1Co 14:26 What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church.
1Co 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
1Co 14:28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
1Co 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.
1Co 14:30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop.
1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged.
1Co 14:32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints,

SO UNLESS YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS TO ME OR DOES IN ALL CASES OR I CAN NOT GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ASKING ABOUT ,

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You said, “TELL ME WHAT WOULD THE HOLY SPIRIT DO TO THOSE MEN WHO ALREADY FEAR GOD ?”

Everybody has to come the SAME WAY.  ACTS 2:38

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you said, “YOUR PROBLEM LAYS WITH YOUR BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS EQUAL TO MIRACLES AND WONDERS BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT SCRIPTURES TEACHES ,WONDERS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GOD USES TO DO HIS WILL AS HE SEE FIT NOT YOU OR ME ,”

The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit.  The gifts of the Spirit come with the Holy Spirit.  They are not another Spirit of God.

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You say, “BUT IT IS TRUE THAT ANY ONE THAT KNOW GOD AND REPENT WILL RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT”

Scripture does not say that, Scripture says you CAN NOT know God without the Holy Ghost.”
John 3:3.
Acts 2:38 says how to receive the Holy Ghost, a true revelation of the Godhead will be required, along with True Repentance of UNBELIEF in Gods WORD.

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You said, “YES CHRIST AD SAY TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT THEY WOULD DO WONDERS AND MIRACLES , BUT I COULD NOT FIND A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT ALL OR ANY OTHER BELIEVERS DID THOSE WONDERS MAY BE YOU CAN HELP ME HERE”

That is correct, it is for Christ's disciples!!!  All that follow Christ are His DISCIPLES.

Mark 16, says that these signs SHALL follow them that BELIEVE.
 
It is not the scripture that is wrong my brother, you see, you just don't believe.

For I know for a FACT that these signs do follow those that believe and these gifts are given by the Holy Ghost.

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You said, SO UNLESS YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS TO ME OR DOES IN ALL CASES OR I CAN NOT GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ASKING ABOUT ,

I have explained, you just haven't been listening.
The Holy Spirit is the Seal of God, given to the Bride as a comforter and to lead them into all TRUTH and will give gifts 1 Cor 12 for edification of the Body of Christ.

And it will only come one way, God's provided way. Acts 2:38

You didn't show one scripture where the Holy Ghost has been taken from the church, because you can not.

You believe that the Holy Ghost is just an intellectual understanding of the Word
 
You are believing a LIE that has been taught to you.  

The Holy Ghost is God's OWN SPIRIT living in MAN.  He is here today and still available at this time.

God Bless
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I have explained, you just haven't been listening. The Holy Spirit is the Seal of God, given to the Bride as a comforter and to lead them into all TRUTH and will give gifts 1 Cor 12 for edification of the Body of Christ. And it will only come one way, God's provided way. Acts 2:38

act 2;38 does not talk about gift S but gift ,one only ;

Ac 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

and it also says that THE GIFT HIS ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT ,

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You didn't show one scripture where the Holy Ghost has been taken from the church, because you can not.

YOU ARE A LIAR ,I NEVER SAID THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY ;IS THIS THE TYPE OF PERFORMANCE THAT YOU LIKE TO PRACTICE THIS IS THE DEVIL WAY ,

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You believe that the Holy Ghost is just an intellectual understanding of the Word

THIS AGAIN IS A LIE FROM YOUR INTERPRETATION ,YOU ARE A LIAR ,AND ARE NOT FROM GOD BUT FROM THE DEVIL YOUR FATHER,

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I have explained, you just haven't been listening.

NO,YOU HAVE EXPLAIN NOTHING ,YOU ARE A LIAR AND SO BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE DONE THIS AND THAT BUT YOU ONLY BELITTLE OTHERS ,BUT NO EXPLANATION,

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I SAID; You say, “BUT IT IS TRUE THAT ANY ONE THAT KNOW GOD AND REPENT WILL RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT”

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YOU ANSWERED;Scripture does not say that, Scripture says you CAN NOT know God without the Holy Ghost.” John 3:3. Acts 2:38 says how to receive the Holy Ghost, a true revelation of the Godhead will be required, along with True Repentance of UNBELIEF in Gods WORD.

NOW I HAVE SHOWN YOU THAT ALL OF THOSE THAT WERE IN ACT 2 ARE ALL FEARING GOD JEWS ;DO YOU KNOW AT LEAST WHAT THAT MEAN ???THIS IS WHY PETER TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE NEXT STEP TO TAKE ;BUT YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS WHAT IS IT THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES TO A REPEND MAN

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Scripture does not say that, Scripture says you CAN NOT know God without the Holy Ghost.” John 3:3.

AGAIN YOU SAY IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE AND QUOTED Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”

ACCORDING TO THIS SCRIPTURE YOU ARE AGAIN A LIAR ,AND YOU TRY TO MAKE ME A LIAR FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT,IF YOU ARE TRUE THEN AT NO POINT IN TIME THE WHOLE OF ISRAEL DID NOT KNEW THEIR GOD JEHOVAH,NOT EVEN NOHA OR ABRAHAM,

WHAT ACUALLY CHRIST MEANT IS;Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

ENTERING IN THE KINGDOM ,WE HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN ;

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The Holy Ghost is God's OWN SPIRIT living in MAN. He is here today and still available at this time.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO ME SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT

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That is correct, it is for Christ's disciples!!! All that follow Christ are His DISCIPLES.

SHOW ME THIS IN SCRIPTURES; and also show who are Christ s fruits and who are the fruits of his disciples then tell me how we 2000 years later can be called disciples of Christ instead of believers in the message of Christ disciples BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEIR MESSAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF THE RELIGION ADVENTIST CULT ,

[Marlin1]

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That is correct, it is for Christ's disciples!!!  All that follow Christ are His DISCIPLES. SHOW ME THIS IN SCRIPTURES; and also show who are Christ s fruits and who are the fruits of his disciples then tell me how we 2000 years later can be called disciples of Christ instead of believers in the message of Christ disciples BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEIR MESSAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF THE RELIGION ADVENTIST CULT , ————– Pierre

Brother Pierre, I grow very tired of your GAMES.  

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you say, BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF THE RELIGION ADVENTIST CULT

This is the same as it has always been, I follow only the truth of the bible and NOT the DOCTRINE of MAN.  
Lord Please forgive him for he knows not what he says.

You believe FALSE DOCTRINE and can not produce one scripture, yet you call me a liar.
You posted lots of scripture, but not one said what you believe.  
1)  That the gifts are not for now.
2)  That the gifts of the spirit are not of the Holy Ghost

NOW you even claim that you don't know what a DISCIPLE is.

DEFINE DISCIPLE — GREEK  3101 mathetes
a learner, pupil, disciple

It doesn't say Disciples are Jews.  They are just followers of Christ. Ones that follow Him.

I am sorry that I have offended you, I have told you the Truth and you received it not.
That is no reason to lie about me.

But I have been lied about before and I will be lied about again.

MAT 5:11 † Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 † Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
I am in very good company

Lord Bless you in your search
bro. Marlin

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Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 27 2012,07:20)

Quote That is correct, it is for Christ's disciples!!!  All that follow Christ are His DISCIPLES. SHOW ME THIS IN SCRIPTURES; and also show who are Christ s fruits and who are the fruits of his disciples then tell me how we 2000 years later can be called disciples of Christ instead of believers in the message of Christ disciples BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEIR MESSAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF THE RELIGION ADVENTIST CULT , ————– Pierre Brother Pierre, I grow very tired of your GAMES.   Quote you say, BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF THE RELIGION ADVENTIST CULT This is the same as it has always been, I follow only the truth of the bible and NOT the DOCTRINE of MAN.   Lord Please forgive him for he knows not what he says. You believe FALSE DOCTRINE and can not produce one scripture, yet you call me a liar. You posted lots of scripture, but not one said what you believe.   1)  That the gifts are not for now. 2)  That the gifts of the spirit are not of the Holy Ghost NOW you even claim that you don't know what a DISCIPLE is. DEFINE DISCIPLE — GREEK  3101 mathetes a learner, pupil, disciple It doesn't say Disciples are Jews.  They are just followers of Christ. Ones that follow Him. I am sorry that I have offended you, I have told you the Truth and you received it not. That is no reason to lie about me. But I have been lied about before and I will be lied about again. MAT 5:11 † Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 † Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. I am in very good company Lord Bless you in your search bro. Marlin

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I did not tell you something without showing you that you are wrong with scriptures ,not to my own words ,

if you have and understand the truth then why do you not answer all my questions

look back to my posts and look at the answers you give me ,it does not even is close to the correct answer ,ARE YOU TRY TO FEED A CHICKEN

you want to teach, what you do not understand fine but do not do it were there a true believers that have knowledge of the word of God, may be it is good for you to question your own knowledge and understanding so we could all benefit from it but do not do it only ONE WAY it as to be two ways,

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