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carmel
Terraricca,
WHAT TRUTH THE STATEMENT HEREUNDER REVEALS?
Holy Father, protect them by the power of YOUR NAME — THE NAME YOU GAVE ME. OBVIOUS JESUS CHRIST!
look closely how you assume that the name his Jesus Name but in reality that is not what is written right but that is as a trinitarian you want to see ;fo Jesus talks about the name of his father ,so it is the name of his father that his father giveth him to protect them with ,
of course you do not understand what it means right ?
carmel
Terraricca,
the above is an absolute LIE
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THROUGH THAT SCRIPTURE VERSES, THE TRINITY IS FALSE,
I MYSELF NOT JUST ONLY SEE THAT TRINITY IS TRUE, BUT ALSO PROVE THAT THE TRINITY IS THRUTH
NOW HOW ABOUT YOU PROVE THROUGH THAT SAME SCRIPTURE VERSES THAT GOD IS ONE! AND WHAT SORT OF ONENESS
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I have shown you scriptures and prove to you that the trinity is false why can you not prove with scriptures that the trinity is true ;of course without making some other scriptures a lie ,for anyone can do that in this way ,
so let see it ?
carmel
Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
Jn 17:13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.
Jn 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
Jn 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:you can see from those scriptures that this unity does not end up in three but many ,many more in thousands so your view is false and cannot be approved by the scriptures ,understand one thing ; THE VALIDITY OF THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD CAN NOT BE VALIDATED BY THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST IT ;IN OTHER WORDS JUST BECAUSE SO FEW BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH AND SO THE MAJORITY OF UNBELIEVERS CAN VOID THEIR FAITH IN THE TRUTH ? THIS THINKING IS FROM THE DEVIL NOT OF GOD ,
YOUR TRINITY IS FALSE PERIOD ,not in scriptures
YOUR TRINITY IS FALSE PERIOD ,not in scriptures
Terraricca,
THAT GOD IS ONE PERSON IS NOT IN SCRIPTURES
1 John 5:7 And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
ah…carmel, double check on John 5.7 and it’s creditability, for if my memory serves me the verse was added by the catholic church @ the time to ensure their teachings would not be compromised.
Carmel……..There is no trinity, JESUS is not a God of anykind, JESUS would not have had tobe anointed by the spirit of God if he was already a God. Jesus was a pure human being just as you and i and of himself he could do nothing just as you and i, he became a spritual son of God at the Jordan river, he was a physical son of GOD when God overshadowed Mary by his spirit and impregnated her,supplying his male DNA.
So he was indeed a physical son of GOD IN THE SAME SENSE AS ADAM WAS, he is called the second Adam, he is not called the second God, why would any secripture dare call him a second Adam, if he was a “MORPHED PREEXISTING DEITY” of any kind.
There are many additions to scriptures that should not even be inour bibles, as princess said like John 5:7 it is not even in the older manuscripts which we have avalible to us now. It is a shame how much damage these altered text have done, itreallytakes a lot of indepth exploring to find the errors that has taken place over the centuries by translators, how they slowely altered them to meet their personal religious convictions. Donot trust what a particular church or religious organization is telling you read for yoursel and ask God to guide you thoughts.
peace and love toyou and yours………………….gene
carmel
Terraricca,
THAT GOD IS ONE PERSON IS NOT IN SCRIPTURES
1 John 5:7 And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
your first assumption that is wrong is ;
THAT GOD IS ONE PERSON IS NOT IN SCRIPTURES
MAL 2:10 “Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
1CO 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
EPH 4:6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
1TI 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,your second assumption that is wrong is your understanding of 1 John5;7;
1Jn 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1Jn 5:2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands.
1Jn 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
1Jn 5:4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
1Jn 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify:
1Jn 5:8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
1Jn 5:9 We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
1Jn 5:10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.Jn 5:32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.
Jn 5:33 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth.
Jn 5:34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.
Jn 5:35 John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light.
Jn 5:36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me.
Jn 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,
Jn 5:38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.IT SEEM TO ME THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SCRIPTURE AT ALL ,NEITHER DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT JOHN SAYS IN 1 JOHN 5;7
BUT THE CONTEXT IN THOSE SCRIPTURES SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION IF YOU CAN BE TRUE TO THE TRUTH OF GOD AND NOT YOUR WRONG FALSE DOCTRINEShi
what is a truth according to scriptures it is something that is not a lie ;
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.now that we know that those in Christ do not tell LIES AND SO TALK THE TRUTH IN GOD ”
how can we see the difference between those that not speak God’s words and those that speak God’s words ?
simple ;the ones that talk from their own mind and earth are liars ;for those that talk in the truth are talking about God’s words and the understanding of it ,not their own mind ,
NO LIES ARE FOUND IN THERE LIPS ;THEY ARE BLAMELESS (NOT PERFECT)but made perfect in Christ .
so the only reason that people say things and it does not lined up with scriptures is that they haven’t understood the scriptures for some reason or another ,
but are strong in pushing their views into the throat of others thinking that others are less likely know more than they do ,
only ignorant people trows a nuts in a gearbox to see what will happen , and do not care for the consequences ,
hi
what is a truth according to scriptures it is something that is not a lie ;
Obviously yes.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Yes, Jesus asking his Father to sanctify those apostles he chose to spread the gospel.
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.now that we know that those in Christ do not tell LIES AND SO TALK THE TRUTH IN GOD ”
Please explain “Women” so you can give us the truth of why this word was used.
..and how do we know now that those in Christ only speak truth? You have just pointed out the 144K of the last generation. What about all the other generations of christians? And the rest of the christians? Where are they? Why only 144K?how can we see the difference between those that not speak God’s words and those that speak God’s words ?
So you are giving the example of the 144,000 only?
You will not see the difference. They all appear the same on the outside. They look like you and I.
If one does not “have the truth” then how can he know it when he hears it?
Do you think these 144K have a sign on their head that they are telling the truth?
Are they not following the lamb everywhere? The apostles did the same, they were hated and accused as liars also.
What makes you think these 144K are going to be any different?Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
simple ;the ones that talk from their own mind and earth are liars ;for those that talk in the truth are talking about God’s words and the understanding of it ,not their own mind ,
So what are they saying that you call a lie?
How can we identify a lie?
You have given no light so far. Just generalising.NO LIES ARE FOUND IN THERE LIPS ;THEY ARE BLAMELESS (NOT PERFECT)but made perfect in Christ .
That’s right Pierre, but it says “no guile”. This would include no lying amongst other things that men can spit out of their lips. Like falsely accusing, causing divisions, ranting about nothing, putting people down, judging etc, swearing.
so the only reason that people say things and it does not lined up with scriptures is that they haven’t understood the scriptures for some reason or another ,
There must be no other reason Pierre, so what are they saying?
but are strong in pushing their views into the throat of others thinking that others are less likely know more than they do ,
Acts 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
only ignorant people trows a nuts in a gearbox to see what will happen , and do not care for the consequences ,
And after all that, you still have not given us any light to show us what is truth and what is not truth.
You are just speaking your thoughts and your hatred is manifesting with nothing substantial to back up.Journey42……AMEN to that post, Pierre has done nothing but accuse the brethern sense the very frist time he came here, posting enless scriptures that in most cases has nothing to do with whats being descussed, i don’t understand why he has such of an accusal spirit, he must think he is something special, an God has made him somekind of judge over us.
But what he spues out of his mouth certanily defines who and what he is, AN ACCUSER OF THE BRETHERN. OUR lord told us to “judge not”, lest you be judged by the manor in which you judge”. He dosen’t understand he does the very same thing he accuses others of doing. He speakes his mind and thinks it Gods truth, we speak our minds and its from the world, in this way he positions himself above others, but God knows his heart and where his accusitory spirit is comes from.
He sadly, seems to not truly understand this.
1Cor 13:1…..though i speak with the tongues of men and of angles, and have not charity, i am become as soundibg brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 and though i have a gift of phophecy and understand “ALL” mysteries, and “ALL” KNOWLEDGE; and though i have “ALL” FAITH, so that i could remove mountaind, and have not charity (love), i am “NOTHING”…….3,4,5,6,7,8,9..FOR WE KNOW IN “PART”, AND WE PROPHESY IN “PART” 10, But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Journey42, Pierre, truly greives my heart at times.
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Hi Gene.
Many are baptised with water, but never with the Holy Spirit.
Therefore they have not been given understanding of the scriptures.
Jesus decides whom to give the Holy Spirit to. Not some pastor or priest.
Baptised with water does not automatically get the Holy Spirit as well.wakeup
j42
I said;
but are strong in pushing their views into the throat of others thinking that others are less likely know more than they do ,
you answered this ;
Acts 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,you seem to interpreting my saying into your own speech being of God’s truth ,i have no doubt that what Paul and his companion were preaching was the truth ,so it was not that type of knowledge I was pointing out ,right ? yes
see how easy it is to change the interpretation ,of course i am still here ,but Paul and all those that written the scriptures for us are gone but then how can we have the truth ,do you know ?
Gene/wakeup
you are killing yourselves in your very own words and understanding ,for even if Christ would be before you you will reject him for not supporting your views ,
you have cut yourselves off of the truth that lays in God words
j42
I say;
NO LIES ARE FOUND IN THERE LIPS ;THEY ARE BLAMELESS (NOT PERFECT)but made perfect in Christ .you say;
That’s right Pierre, but it says “no guile”. This would include no lying amongst other things that men can spit out of their lips. Like falsely accusing, causing divisions, ranting about nothing, putting people down, judging etc, swearing.falsely accusing ; this i do not do ; for i show you the scriptures that are broken ,but that is not enough for you to be called false teaching, Christ says scriptures cannot be broken .
causing divisions, ranting about nothing, putting people down, judging etc, swearing.
so Paul should have said nothing when;
1Co 1:11 My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)
1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.he should have join them in your view,
did i swear and judging etc, J42 ? be careful of not accusing others of the thing yourself are doing
j42
And after all that, you still have not given us any light to show us what is truth and what is not truth.
You are just speaking your thoughts and your hatred is manifesting with nothing substantial to back up.it seems that you are not in the truth for you call it hatred ,and this is to make personal attacks to me ,and yet i have shown scriptures to you and wakeup, Nick also showed you what was wrong with your view and scriptures ,but you seem to not wanted to see it ,that is why i have said most of what the scriptures said
j42
Please explain “Women” so you can give us the truth of why this word was used.
well here is my understanding but i know you will dismiss it but neverless;
Ge 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Ge 2:23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”Ge 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
but what was the real reason for the women ?
But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
i am not sure that so far you can understand those scriptures but i will assume you do ,
Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
I am not sure that you will understand what Christ is really saying for he is the second Adam ,but i hope that you understand this ;i can still talk about this for one full day but i am a bad writer it takes me long time and many times i skip the details ,
but in a nut shell this is what the “women” means but i know this is my opinion ha ha ha ,
Christianity has broken apart into a million pieces, a sad illustration of one of it’s own slogans “a house divided against itself cannot stand”.
spock
yes that is true ,but if we do the same thing that christianity as and does what are we ?
just following christianity ways ;so we would not have truth ourselves right ?
so the only way to bring truth in our lives it would be to believe scriptures and only scriptures ,and follow them all of the way ;right ? yes
Terra.
Can you explain women at ease. Thanks.
Isaiah 32:9 Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech.
Isaiah 32:10 Many days and years shall ye be troubled, ye careless women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come.
Isaiah 32:11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.
wakeup
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