the truth

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,15:34)

Quote Please show me where you answered it? Brother Ed,  Please go back and read the rest of the sentence that you only showed part of. God Bless bro. Marlin

The last part of that sentence was not an answer to my question, where is the answer?

[Marlin1]

Brother Ed,

My question to you was, Where does it say that Adam is the father of all living?

We didn't sin with ADAM & EVE, so Why are we BORN SINNERS?

Why does our FLESH have to DIE, if it was made perfect?

We are not held responsible for what our parents do, so why for Adam and Eve?

Can you answer any of these questions, can anyone here?

Please don't just tell me, it is because they broke God's LAW and ate an apple.  God would be unjust to hold us responsible for that.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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So you are saying that Numbers 23:19 (according to you) is false then  –  correct? Brother Ed, I have already answered that question for you,  it is your understanding that is incorrect, not the scripture.

Brother Ed,

I did answer your question, did you not read or not understand.

Answer: it is your understanding that is incorrect, not the scripture.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:17)

Brother Ed, My question to you was, Where does it say that Adam is the father of all living? God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

No-where, because that can't possibly be true – because Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:17)

Brother Ed, (1) We didn't sin with ADAM & EVE, so Why are we BORN SINNERS? (2) Why does our FLESH have to DIE, if it was made perfect? (3) We are not held responsible for what our parents do, so why for Adam and Eve? God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

1) Who said we're born sinners? This next verse does not apply to Jesus, because he NEVER sinned…  

2) Because all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)

3) We are only held responsible for what we do. (See Ezekiel 18:4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:25)

Quote So you are saying that Numbers 23:19 (according to you) is false then  –  correct? Brother Ed, I have already answered that question for you,  it is your understanding that is incorrect, not the scripture. Brother Ed, I did answer your question, did you not read or not understand. Answer: it is your understanding that is incorrect, not the scripture. God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

That's not an answer, that's a dodge.
Then explain, so that I will understand.

“(1)God is not a man, that he should lie;
 (2)neither the son of man” (Num 23:19)

                      1) God is not a man
                      2) neither the son of man

Did Jesus not in FACT call himself  “The Son of Man”?
How do you incorporate these FACTS into your doctrine?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:17)

Brother Ed, My question to you was, Where does it say that Adam is the father of all living? We didn't sin with ADAM & EVE, so Why are we BORN SINNERS? Why does our FLESH have to DIE, if it was made perfect? We are not held responsible for what our parents do, so why for Adam and Eve? Can you answer any of these questions, can anyone here? Please don't just tell me, it is because they broke God's LAW and ate an apple.  God would be unjust to hold us responsible for that. God Bless bro. Marlin

Marlin1.

Since Adam took satans advise,God has given mankind in satans charge,God has retreated himself from mankind.
Even today satan is still incharge.

HE IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD.
But God also has send us prophets,then his own Son to bring us back to God.Its up to us whom to folow.

wakeup.

[Marlin1]

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1) Who said we're born sinners? This next verse does not apply to Jesus, because he NEVER sinned…   2) Because all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) 3) We are only held responsible for what we do. (See Ezekiel 18:4)

Brother Ed,

I had a thought that you had no idea.

Do you think we could have saved our selves?

PSALM 58:3 † The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Please tell, who is not wicked

PSALM 51:5 † Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Tell me why does Paul said we fight against our own flesh?
GAL 5:17 † For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

We, every one US, is born in sin, shaped in iniquity, and come to the world speaking lies.\

WHY IS THAT SO?

GENESIS 1:31 † And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. …..

Man was made perfect, so what happened that caused you and I and every other person,(except Christ), to be born a sinner?

Why is it that the FLESH of man has to perish?

Are you in the dark or do you know?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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“(1)God is not a man, that he should lie; (2)neither the son of man” (Num 23:19)                      1) God is not a man                      2) neither the son of man Did Jesus not in FACT call himself  “The Son of Man”? How do you incorporate these FACTS into your doctrine? God bless Ed J

Brother Ed,

This goes to show that you do not read what other write.  If you were to go back a few pages, you would see that I did explain.

JOHN 6:53 † Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Have you ate His actual Flesh and really drank His Blood?  NO
It has a different meaning than that.

Num 23:19 is exactly that.  There were many son of man (prophets), but there was only one GOD MAN, (SON of MAN), (PROPHET), (SON of GOD).

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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Marlin1. Since Adam took satans advise,God has given mankind in satans charge,God has retreated himself from mankind. Even today satan is still incharge. HE IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD. But God also has send us prophets,then his own Son to bring us back to God.Its up to us whom to folow. wakeup.

Brother Wakeup,

Thanks brother for your input.

Question
Would you be a just father to punish all your children, because one of your children is bad?

I would truly like to get to the bottom of this for there is a truth hid there.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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Hi Marlin, No-where, because that can't possibly be true – because Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”. God bless Ed J

Brother Ed,

Agreed…

Are you sure about Jesus Father being the Holy Ghost?

I agree that the angel said that Mary would be over shadowed by the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:18,20

MAT 7:21 † Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:32,33

But Jesus said His Father was in heaven.  He didn't have two fathers, Which goes to show that the Father and the Holy Ghost are the same SPIRIT.

God bless
bro. Marlin

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,08:44)

Quote 1) Who said we're born sinners? This next verse does not apply to Jesus, because he NEVER sinned…   2) Because all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23) 3) We are only held responsible for what we do. (See Ezekiel 18:4) Brother Ed, I had a thought that you had no idea. Do you think we could have saved our selves? PSALM 58:3 † The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Please tell, who is not wicked PSALM 51:5 † Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Tell me why does Paul said we fight against our own flesh? GAL 5:17 † For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. We, every one US, is born in sin, shaped in iniquity, and come to the world speaking lies.\ WHY IS THAT SO? GENESIS 1:31 † And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. ….. Man was made perfect, so what happened that caused you and I and every other person,(except Christ), to be born a sinner? Why is it that the FLESH of man has to perish? Are you in the dark or do you know? God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

None of those verses says we were born sinners.
And Jesus was not conceived in the way we were.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,09:00)

Quote “(1)God is not a man, that he should lie; (2)neither the son of man” (Num 23:19)                      1) God is not a man                      2) neither the son of man Did Jesus not in FACT call himself  “The Son of Man”? How do you incorporate these FACTS into your doctrine? God bless Ed J Brother Ed, (1)This goes to show that you do not read what other write.  If you were to go back a few pages, you would see that I did explain. JOHN 6:53 † Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Have you ate His actual Flesh and really drank His Blood?  NO It has a different meaning than that. Num 23:19 is exactly that.  There were many son of man (prophets), but there was only one GOD MAN, (SON of MAN), (PROPHET), (SON of GOD). God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

I do read what you write, but I do not agree with what you say; BIG DIFFERENCE!

And “NO”, you have not explained why you believe as you do.

Even this post does not explain anything?
You only ask questions. And make irrelevant statements.

Now will you please explain why you do not believe Num 23:19!

Num 23:19 says that God is NOT “The Son of Man”, but you say he is; “WHY”?, “WHY”, “WHY”, “WHY”?????????????

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,09:28)

Quote Hi Marlin, No-where, because that can't possibly be true – because Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”. God bless Ed J Brother Ed, Agreed… Are you sure about Jesus Father being the Holy Ghost? I agree that the angel said that Mary would be over shadowed by the Holy Ghost. Mat 1:18,20 MAT 7:21 † Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 10:32,33 But Jesus said His Father was in heaven.  He didn't have two fathers, Which goes to show that the Father and the Holy Ghost are the same SPIRIT. God bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

Perhaps you need to study your bible a bit more?
Can God not be in more that one place at the same time?
“the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” (John 14:10)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,08:44)

Brother Ed, PSALM 51:5 † Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

First: it doesn't that that that verse applies to everyone's birth; THAT IS MERELY AN ASSUMPTION ON YOUR PART.

OK, lets assume that it does for a moment, it would still NOT make the child a sinner because of what Ezekiel 18:20 says:

“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Marlin1]

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Hi Marlin, Perhaps you need to study your bible a bit more? Can God not be in more that one place at the same time? “the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” (John 14:10) God bless Ed J

Brother Ed,

The Father and the Holy Spirit are the same Spirit.  That is the point.

What your point is I have no idea, other then that God is everywhere, to which I AGREE.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Marlin1]

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“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20) God bless Ed J

Brother Ed,  Now maybe we are getting somewhere.  Isn't that what I said a couple pages ago.

So now will you answer,  Why is our FLESH Sinful?

God made us perfect in the beginning, So Why?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,10:29)

Quote Hi Marlin, Perhaps you need to study your bible a bit more? Can God not be in more that one place at the same time? “the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” (John 14:10) God bless Ed J Brother Ed, The Father and the Holy Spirit are the same Spirit.  That is the point. What your point is I have no idea, other then that God is everywhere, to which I AGREE. God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

Then you agree that the “HolySpirit” is Jesus' Farther – correct?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,10:34)

Quote “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father” (Ezekiel 18:20) God bless Ed J Brother Ed,  Now maybe we are getting somewhere.  Isn't that what I said a couple pages ago. (1) So now will you answer,  Why is our FLESH Sinful? (2) God made us perfect in the beginning, So Why? God Bless bro. Marlin

Hi Marlin,

1) Because all have sinned and come short of the “Glory”(77) of God;
    but “Christ”(77) did not come short of that glory; GLORY TO GOD!!

2) Because we were created in God's image;
    Christ restores us to our former image!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Marlin1]

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Hi Marlin, 1) Because all have sinned and come short of the “Glory”(77) of God;    but “Christ”(77) did not come short of that glory; GLORY TO GOD!! 2) Because we were created in God's image;    Christ restores us to our former image! God bless Ed J

Brother Ed,

That just doesn't do it for me.  I grew up wondering why I am a sinner.  Which you showed.  For all have SINNED.

The Question is WHY are we NOW born in SINFUL FLESH?  And if that doesn't work for you,
Why do we have a sinful nature?

Scripture says we don't inherit our fathers sin.  Then how do we inherit Adam and Eves sin?

God bless
bro. Marlin

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