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TC…..frist of all as I recall, Thomas said ”my lord (lower case) and my God.” Now you should know that the lower case lord, means a human ruler, or magstrate, like a judge etc. While the upper case LORD , MEANS ALMIGHTY GOD.
The lower case lord never implies GOD , IT comes from the word ADONI, meaning a human ruler, while the upper case LORD, comes from the word ADONIA, has a complete different meaning. You need proof? Go to http://www.restorationfellowship.org, they have a complete explanation of the deference meanings of those words.
And yes THOMAS WAS INDEED REFERENCING TWO DIFFERENT BEING PRESENT THERE, one was his and our lord, a human ruler NAMED Jesus from the root and offspring of King David, and GOD almighty was also there dwelling “IN” HIM, by HIS HOLY SPIRIT, HIS GOD AND OUR GOD, HIS FATHER and OUR FATHER.
IT was not Jesus who said “destory this temple and in three days I (GOD) shall raise “IT” up, that was God the Father speaking through Jesus’ mouth, first person. How do I know that?, SCRIPTURE says in three or four places it was God who raised Jesus from his grave, not Jesus who raised himself up.
TC your so far off base you haven’t even begun to understand the truth yet.
Lets try to keep the answers shorter and more specific if you can.
One more question though, do you believe this, JESUS SAID speaking to GOD THE FATHER, “that they might know (YOU) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus who you have sent”. Did you see the words (YOU) that means someone other then the one speaking, And he said that person was the “ONLY” TRUE GOD. Now if GOD the Father is the (ONLY TRUE GOD) then obviously there can be (NO OTHER ) TRUE GOD. question is do you truly believe JESUS?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Anthony,
The Word was in the beginning with God and was God.
Jesus was never his God and he began life by conception.
The Word is the Holy Spirit that made Jesus into Jesus Christ.
Hi T8,
You can judge the hearts of others?
How righteous yours must be.
By the fruit Nick. A man who accuses all day and night and doesn’t even believe the words of an angel who declared Jesus as the messiah in the City of David, shows us all clearly what your heart is like
Love is the fruit of a born again person, not accusations and denying Jesus as the Christ. That is a fact and your doctrine will not change reality one iota.
Hi T8,
You seem to be unduly sensitive in that you imagine we are accusing you when it is the Spirit that does so.
Listen to the Spirit and do not ignore the warnings.
Hi T8,
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
God said so at his anointing at the river Jordan.
’You are My beloved son, in you I am well pleased’
Then Lk 4.1
Jesus,full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and WAS LED AROUND BY THE SPIRIT for 40 days being tempted by the devil.
For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.Rom.8.14
Hi TC,
Did the ONE SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit, enter the man Jesus at conception? Any scriptures?
Hi Nick,
Quit trying to twist Scripture around to match your ideas.
No-one, no-one is suggesting Jesus was anointed at birth.
This is a red herring you and Gene keep promoting.Also, No-one is suggesting the Holy Spirit entered Jesus at conception.
Another red herring.What everyone is saying:
The spirit of Christ was incarnated into a man and his name is Jesus.
…so please stick to the facts
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God bless
Ed JHi Nick
So you tell me, did Jesus Christ have the Spirit of God at His conseption? Yes or no
God bless
Hi Anthony,
No, at Jordan
Hi Ed,
You claim that mt 1.20 shows that GOD’s HOLY SPIRIT WAS CONCEIVED IN MARY.
MT 1.20
But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying
’Joseph, Son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child who has been
conceived in her sins is of the Holy Spirit’
God, or His Holy Spirit, such as filled Jesus after the Jordan,
is not conceived in anyone but is Eternal.
Hi TC,
The Spirit involved in all of creation(ps 104.30) was involved in the conception of Jesus.
Then he was FILLED WITH The Holy Spirit at the Jordan AND LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT after the Jordan
Nick denies Jesus was the messiah in the City of David. He is free to disagree with what is written.
Today in the City of David… He is the Messiah…
Some believe and some do not. For us there is one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. He was the Lord in the City of David. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and forever. Amen.
God created all things through him.
hey darkness I was thinking you know, lets throw in all kinds of thoughts and notions about god confuse the hell out of them, it will keep them busy for centuries, wars will break out over it, nations will rise and fall because of it, families will break apart. you know keep them guessing, unsure. it’s a genius idea burring the truth with lies.
centuries later…….(please see above thread)
who cares when the spirit was given, there, here, where. the concern should fall on are you hearing the spirit speak, do you feel the spirit within you, do you live by the truth of the spirit.
your debate on the matter is foolish at it’s best. you have completely denounced the power of the spirit. Check your book on that one, if I recall it isn’t pretty.
Hi T8,
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever because the Spirit is eternal.
The man anointed by the Spirit was conceived, and born in Bethlehem.
Flesh contributes nothing…….. to the work of God.
Upon pondering the facts discussed in this topic, we can safely conclude that Jesus was no ordinary man, but indeed was a man. He was born a holy child and conceived by the Holy Spirit. He was considered greater than John and John exclaimed that Jesus should be baptizing him, even though John had the Holy Spirit even when he was in the womb.
When Jesus was born, a holy messenger exclaimed that he is the Messiah and Lord.
Elsewhere we read that God created all things through the Son. While many are those that oppose these things, nevertheless this is what we read in scripture and those that believe teach these things.
Hi Princess.
You said: who cares when the spirit was given, there, here, where. the concern should fall on are you hearing the spirit speak, do you feel the spirit within you, do you live by the truth of the spirit.
Yes we should hear from the Spirit we should feel the Spirit, and we should live by the Spirit of Truth.
But we should also try the Spirit. We also should live by Faith Not only feelings.And the Spirit will never go against the writing Word as close as we can get to the original language which can be pretty close if you have the right bible tools. But in saying all that, this is a teaching on, Is Jesus Christ a orinary man like you an me? This may help:
for today in the city ofDavid there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. (Christ = the Messiah> The Annoited One.God bless.T8…..The angel was simply telling them that Jesus was born who was the prophesied one to come and be the the messiah. Jesus was n I t the messiah until he actually was ANOINTED at the Jordan river, just as scripture “plainly” shows. Why would any of you people think Jesus would have to be ANOINTED TWICE, Once at berth and 30 years later at the JORDAN river? We see no mircales our preaching done by Jesus before his ANOINTING at the JORDAN after his BAPTIZM.
THAT IS WHEN HE BECAME THE MESSIAH OF GOD, just as scripture shows. But was he born to be that messiah or anointed person yes he was, he also was born to be the one who would pay for our sins, by the Father Sacrificing him , but that didn’t happen till it actually took place, by Jesus dying on the cross or tree, right? When he said “it is finished” and gave up his spirit, he then became the savior of many, all those that believe. Do we trust that he saved us at his berth, or at his death?, is it not by his death?, that we have everlasting life afforded us?
Now it was by a ordinary man sin came into this world, and death followed, it was by a ORDINARY MAN a real “HUMAN BEING” just like ADAM and the rest of us that paid t h e price for our sins. If Jesus was not an ordinary human being exactly like the rest of us, in every way tempted as we are and yet without sin, he could not have paid for our sins.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Princes……I also agree with a lot of what you said, it is futile and foolish, but non the less we are called to stand for truth, and not go along with the false teachings of fallen christanity. If nothing else but a withness, and let’s not forget iron sharpens iron .
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
T8, ANTHONY, TC, …… PLEASE go to this site, www.wordexplained.Com , when did Jesus become the Messiah? HE does an excellent job explaining it.
Peace and love to you all and yours………gene
If Jesus was not an ordinary human being exactly like the rest of us, in every way tempted as we are and yet without sin, he could not have paid for our sins.
It’s pretty obvious that we all agree that Jesus was a man, but it is also obvious he was not ordinary since he was a holy child conceived of the Holy Spirit and was considered greater than John before being baptized, a John who was filled with the Holy Spirit whilst in the womb.
You can say that he was not ordinary all you like, but these facts I point out will always point out his uniqness and specialness. No point in debating that, it would be a waste of time. Might as well focus on other things that are actually up for debate.
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