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Hi TC,
Lk 11.49
For this reason also the wisdom of God said
’I will send them prophets and apostles and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute’
The Word of God is the wisdom of God.
False teachers take one verse and build false doctrines on it but scripture interprets scripture.
You have not shown ONE verse that says Jesus was anointed prior to birth.
You haven’t shown a verse where he wasn’t either. What we do know was he was a holy child and was greater than John who had the Holy Spirit, and was born the Christ. Good enough for me to rely on.
Your logic is not going to persuade me.
T8…..THE MESSIAH WAS A PROPHESIED PERSON, a person who would come into his “existence” through the “loins” of King David , from the tribe of Judah, this flesh and blood “HUMAN” child was born through Mary and grow in grace and knowledge until he was about thirity years old, and then was baptized by John the baptist at the Jordan river, and when he came out of the water the HOLY SPIRIT came upon him, and from there he was lead by that Spirit into the wilderness and was tested for forty days and nights, then he was led by that Spirit of God out into the world with power, to heal the sick, and to preach the good news of the Kingdom of God.
Jesus never did any of those thing before he was baptized and recieved the HOLY SPIRIT, the Spirit that Anointed him as the Messiah of God.
All who preach different then this are FALSE TEACHERS, JUST THAT SIMPLE.
“For many shall come and say “I am the christ”, and decieve many”, Jesus told us plainly the deception would be about him and it certainly is.
The proof of that is being expressed right here on this very site. By those who are preexisteners and MAN GOD WORSHIPERS who can’t even find “one” scripture that shows any activity of a preexisting being who became known as Jesus.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Gene,
Your heresy is overwhelming.
Matt 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting UPON him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: According to you and Nick, God was well pleased with his son as the son of a man, Not THE son of God. This is because according to you, he was not a son of God until Jordan. Christ is THE Son of God, not a son of God.
Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the HOLY GHOST WAS UPON HIM. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 26And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 27 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Me: The spirit was upon Simeon in Luke 2:25 and not in him. The holy spirit was not given to the general populace from John the Baptist unto Pentecost. It was not given to Simeon in Luke 2:25 above. But the apostles received the holy spirit at John 20:22. They received the baptism of the holy spirit at Pentecost. If Christ was just a man, he could not have received the holy spirit between the birth of John the Baptist and Pentecost. So, he had NOT received the holy spirit at Jordon. The Word is the express spiritual image of God himself, and is God (John 1:1-2). He was God come into the flesh of the man of the seed of David at conception (John 1:14). The Word as the spiritual image of God is a spirit. Christ did not need to be baptized. The Word or spirit (mind) of God was in him completely at conception. His human mind grew in its bond to his spirit mind, the Word of God.
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Matt 12:16 And charged them that they should not make him known: 17 That it MIGHT BE FULLFILLED which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I WILL put my spirit UPON HIM, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Me: The spirit UPON the Messiah after Matt 12:26 was far removed from Jordan. Putting the holy spirit upon him did not mean he was born of the spirit again after Matt 12:26. Rather, the spirit put upon one can be a continuous process and not a one time event. It guides one paths.
Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Matt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Me: the term “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” is not just at Jordon in Matt 3:17 but in Matt 17:5 also. It has nothing to do with receiving the holy spirit.
Logic should never convince you.
Yes Nick, now just read the scripture and do not apply your logic. Do not add to it or take away from it.
Would it be wise to teach doctrines based on what the bible DOES NOT say?
No I wouldn’t, but I wouldn’t say it is not possible either.
It doesn’t say Jesus had a nose, but I wouldn’t rule it out either.
TC…..So when Jesus said the The father who is “in” me, he does the work, he was just lying to us according to you.
When he said the words I am telling you are “not” my words but the words of him that sent me, he also was lying right?
Now GOD IS SPIRIT, HE AND HIS WORD ARE THE SAME, JUST AS YOU AND YOUR WORDS ARE ONE and the same. WE SHALL BE JUDGED BY OUR WORDS, why would God judge us by our words if we and are our words are not one and the same thing.
You spend your time stranding out a gnat, and swowling a camel. Why do you think it says, our “bodies” are the temple of the living God”, if God does not actually indwell us?
You remind me of Thomas who finely came to realize that GOD the Father was truly “IN” the Man Jesus, and then said , “my lord, “AND” my GOD”. Notice he did not say “my lord God”, which is what he would have said if he meant that Jesus was also GOD AS YOU PEOPLE FALSELY TEACH. Thomas finely came to see that GOD WAS TRULY “IN” the man Jesus. Now when are you people going to see that, would be the question?
TC…. you bounce all over the place, then add you renditions as to what it means to you, thats fine, but when you neglect what Jodi, Nick and I are quoting from scriptures and just turn a blind eye to them, that only shows you hardly know what you are saying aND only care abut what your think. ESPICALLY IF YOU CAN’T SEE GOD THE FATHER WAS TRUELY “IN” JESUS RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF. You haven’t even started to see the truth clearly yet. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene
You said: When he said the words I am telling you are “not” my words but the words of him that sent me, he also was lying right?Gene the Father and Jesus are one. There in Unity, they have the same plan, the same Spirit the same word,They have the same nature. No scripture lies, it’s a contrition. And let’s not forget that the Father is greater then the Only Begotten Son, Christ Jesus.
He is a God because His Father is God. Your a Human because your Father is a Human. Do you find that hard to believe.
God bless
This may help
“Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless
Gene,
You: TC…..So when Jesus said the The father who is “in” me, he does the work, he was just lying to us according to you.
When he said the words I am telling you are “not” my words but the words of him that sent me, he also was lying right?Me: No Gene, Wrong!!! God does not lie. You do.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Me: Again (you did not answer this among others), if the Messiah was just a man he would be a liar like you.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the WORD WAS MADE FLESH (made one with flesh), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: The Word is God expressed and is God.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/10-30.htm
John 10:30 (bible Hub) I and the Father ONE ARE.
Me: Notice it is “I and the Father” and not “The Father and me”. This makes a big difference. I and the Father emphasizes that both are the same person, the subject of the sentence. This is especially when “I” comes before “Father”. The Father and the Word are one. The Word is the Father expressed and was in the man, the Messiah.
Me: similarly:
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord (John 1:1-2).
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the TRUTH and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Me: Notice in John 14:6, “known me > known the Father” and not “know the Father > known me”. The Messiah is the direct expression of God and is God. They are one Lord. Notice in Mark 12:29, “Lord”. Also in Deuteronomy 6:4 it is “LORD”
You: Now GOD IS SPIRIT, HE AND HIS WORD ARE THE SAME, JUST AS YOU AND YOUR WORDS ARE ONE and the same. WE SHALL BE JUDGED BY OUR WORDS, why would God judge us by our words if we and are our words are not one and the same thing.
Me: “Word” not words are in John 1:1-2. “Word” can be singular and is also rendered as spokesman.
You: You spend your time stranding out a gnat, and swowling a camel. Why do you think it says, our “bodies” are the temple of the living God”, if God does not actually indwell us?
You remind me of Thomas who finely came to realize that GOD the Father was truly “IN” the Man Jesus, and then said , “my lord, “AND” my GOD”. Notice he did not say “my lord God”, which is what he would have said if he meant that Jesus was also GOD AS YOU PEOPLE FALSELY TEACH. Thomas finely came to see that GOD WAS TRULY “IN” the man Jesus. Now when are you people going to see that, would be the question?Me: So Thomas was speaking to two persons when he said this to one person, the Messiah? Be real!
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen ME, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Thomas was speaking to the Messiah who is God expressed–one person.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/20-28.htm
John 20:28 (bible Hub) Answered Thomas and said TO HIM (not they) the Lord of me and the God of me.
Notice in Mark 12:29, “Lord”. Also in Deuteronomy 6:4 it is “LORD”. “My Lord and my God” is explained in Mark 12:29 and Deuteronomy 6:4. This is summarized in John 20:28. Lord and God has two different meanings here. Both pertain to the Messiah as God expressed in a man. God was expressed in a burning bush, cloud, etc. in the OT.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh (one with flesh: body and mind), and dwelt among us,
Me: The Word, who is God, became one with the seed of David.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Me: The Messiah said he would raise himself from the dead. It is the Word, who is the exact image or expression of God that raised up the man of the seed of David from the grave.
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Me: The temple includes the human mind of the Messiah in it. God (the Word) raised up both from the grave.(Acts 2:31)
TC…. you bounce all over the place, then add you renditions as to what it means to you, thats fine, but when you neglect what Jodi, Nick and I are quoting from scriptures and just turn a blind eye to them, that only shows you hardly know what you are saying aND only care abut what your think. ESPICALLY IF YOU CAN’T SEE GOD THE FATHER WAS TRUELY “IN” JESUS RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF. You haven’t even started to see the truth clearly yet. IMO
Me: This is a blatant lie. I have brought up these things before with all the scriptures as proof. You on the other hand, have avoided answering my response. Instead you go on to other thoughts and scriptures. Then you come back later with your same responses as if I had not answered you before…very deceptive. Please directly answer my responses.
Hi T8,
Common ground.
He was like to us in all ways except sin.
What we know is he was not an ordinary man, but a man nevertheless. He was born the messiah and was a holy child greater than a John the Baptist who had the Holy Spirit from birth. Jesus was without sin and he was obedient to God throughout his life even though he was tempted as we are. He came in the flesh as the Word became flesh and he is called the Word of God.
This is a lot of revelation given in scripture about the one who was with God in the beginning and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos. God created all things through him and for him. He is the protype son of God in whom many sons will come into glory.
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
We do not put up with other Jesus’s here Nick.
Hi T8,
Yes you do.
You preach a preexistent Jesus.
If you understood spiritual things you would get less confused.
No I do not. Another false accusation.
I give you scripture? It speaks for itself.
If you ignore scripture and oppose it which you do, then that shows us something about your heart.
Scripture is in my heart, but you attack it day and night and when you cannot get your way, you resort to false accusations.
This is sad.
Hi T8,
Rev 19.11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it is called faithful
and true, and in righteousness he judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire and on
his head are many diadems; and he has a name written on him which no one knows except
himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and his name is called the Word of God.
So after his return to the temple of heaven the son of man is here called the Word of God.
United with the Spirit at the Jordan Jesus became Jesus Christ, the Word was made flesh.
Hi Nick
You said: you preach a preexistent Jesus.
That’s because He is Nick, the Word made flesh.
Before the foundation of world.
He has the glory that He had before.
He was sent to die for the sins of the whole world.
This may help
“Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless
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