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Jodi…..I have noticed that also, it’s like some focus on a single scripture
The scripture in question is clear and it is equally clear that you oppose it. And it is not the only scripture, rather it only takes this one scripture to defeat your idea that in the City of David, Jesus was not the Christ. But if you want the big guns, then look up the scriptures that identify the Antichrist spirit.
No Nick,
“The Word” is God’s “HolySpirit”.
“The Spirit of Christ” is Jesus’ Spirit
Hi Nick,
Spirit of the Father.
Spirit of the Son.Basic stuff
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God bless
Ed JGod is Spirit and we have a spirit and angels are spirits. Is Nick saying that Jesus does not have his own spirit?
Hi All
This may help
For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace,” (Isaiah 9:6.
The words of Isaiah 9:6 are one of the most powerful prophecies testifying plainly and clearly that the promised Messiah to come would, in fact, be God Himself born in human flesh. The child that is born, the son that is given, is to be called “Mighty God.”
Israel has only one God and is forbidden to call on any other God. Isaiah is abundantly clear:
“‘You are My witnesses,’ declares the Lord [YHWH, or Jehovah], ‘And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me,'” (Isaiah 43:10)
The word for “God” here is the simple Hebrew “el.” The most basic word for “god” and the same word used of the Messiah in Isaiah 9:6. If Jesus is the Messiah, He is the “Mighty God” or the “el gibbor,” and He is to be called upon as such. But there is no other true, living God besides Jehovah. There is no “el” but He, and His people are surely not to call on a false god for their deliverance. Thus, even standing on its own, Isaiah 9:6 is rather clear that the Mighty God on whom they are to call is Jehovah and not some lesser god that would by definition be a false god since there is only one true God and never will be another. Still, Isaiah didn’t stop writing at 9:6. In the very next chapter he says:
“Now in that day the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the Lord [YHWH, or Jehovah], the Holy One of Israel. A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God,” (Isaiah 10:20-21).
Who are they returning to? To the Lord, Jehovah, the one true God of Israel. Here He is plainly called the “mighty God” [el gibbor] in the very same prophetic context as Isaiah 9:6. Indeed, only a chapter apart from it! Jehovah is the Mighty God. The Messiah is the Mighty God. There is only one God. The conclusion here is obvious. And the other prophets concur that Jehovah is the “mighty God.” Jeremiah, for example, pronounces:
“who shows loving kindness to thousands, but repays the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God [el gibbor]. The Lord [YHWH, or Jehovah] of hosts is His name,” (Jeremiah 32:18).
And Zephaniah lauds in similar terms:
“The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty [gibbor] one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing,” (Zephaniah 3:17).
Jehovah is certainly “almighty,” but He is also rightly called “mighty” by the prophets. He is the living God. He is the true God. He is the only God upon whom we are to call. He is the only savior. Jesus is the “mighty God” upon whom we are to call.
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”John 7:42 Has not the Scripture said that the Christ= (Messiah) comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?”God blessHi Anthony,
How are you saved?
By the birth of the infant Jesus?
or
By the infant growing into a man and being made perfect through learning obedience going to the cross?
SIMPLE QUESTION and we can go from there.
Hi t8,
I have said repeatedly that I do not oppose the scripture, the fact that you cannot comprehend how it is that I don’t oppose it is fascinating, lol!
Is that all you can do? I give several posts declaring exactly how it is I am not opposing it, and all you can do is say yet again I am opposing it, not even addressing what I have given using many many passages.
You can’t even bring yourself to put the angels words in the context of what he said directly before in verse 10, nor can you discuss the same account of what the angel said in Matthew, which both clearly identifies the angel speaking of the infant according to prophecy.
Actually scripture says “a savior who is Christ the Lord.” Not that the infant was Christ the Lord, THE SAVIOR is Christ the Lord, and it is FACT that the infant as an infant is NOT our savior. The infant didn’t save us from our sins but the infant DID GROWN and LEARN, and become a man and when he was a man he saved us from our sins.
Did the infant have to grow and be MADE perfect in order to save us from our sins? YES.
The infant didn’t save us, but he would grow up into manhood and be made perfect through learning obedience going to the cross, then dying on the cross, to save us.
Our savior is the infant that grew and through being made perfect he saves us, THAT savior is WHO IS Christ the Lord.
The infant Jesus was not a lord over anyone, but the Jesus who died on the cross prior to his death was a lord, and he was raised from the dead as our lord also.
When do we see Jesus being a master over God’s word? When do we see Jesus being a master over God’s powers? NOT WHEN he was an infant that is for sure. When he was sent out into the world after his baptism and the Spirit descended upon him, and Jesus declares his anointing and his sending, according to Isaiah, that is when!! The people call Jesus lord because of the miraculous acts that he did that the people were witness to, because of the words that he spoke, certainly NOT because they thought he pre-existed as god.
The infant was called a savior yet we are not saved by the infant now are we t8?…not by his birth or by any of the infant’s deeds, thus at his birth he was called a savior because he was going to in the future actually commit and act that brings us our salvation. A lot happened between the infant Jesus’s birth and his death t8, or do you just like to forget all of those scriptures??????
The biblical FACT of the matter is the INFANT did not save you by his birth so WHY on earth would the angel say this day to you is born a savior? Well the context of WHY is written for you by what the angel says in verse 10, and what we read this same angel say in Matthew’s account. He said it because the infant was to fulfill what God had promised not only to the prophets but before the world was created.
According to Scripture the infant Jesus was,
The offspring of Abraham who all nations would be blessed through
The offspring of David, where his human flesh would not see corruption but eternal life
David’s son who God would anoint, that is what Christ and Messiah stands for an anointing of God’s Spirit.
David’s son who God would beget on a certain day (which beget is the same as an anointing, as an anointing is to receive God’s Spirit, which is the same thing as to be born of God’s Spirit)
The offspring of David who God would make into His firstborn Son.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Be careful, the mere mention of this scripture will provoke a serious reaction. Your not allowed to utter it. You will be opposed. lol.
Hi Jodi
You said: How are you saved?
You don’t know? Well how I was saved. The Father convicted me of my sins drew me to the Only Begotten Son, The Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah, I repented of my sins ask the Lord in to my Heart.
Now tell me how you got saved?
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless
Anthony…..is a King a king when he is born, even though that is his desteny, NO, he is a king when he is crowned a king. Same thing applies to Jesus, he became the savior of the world when he paid t h e price for our sins, that was not at his berth. Common sense should tell you and T8 that.
By hanging on to one scripture, not in light of all the other scriptures written about it is exactly what trips you up. Jesus was no born ANOINTED, NOR A SAVIOR at berth, that was his prophesied destiny he had at berth, but all had to be fulfilled first, and it was not fulfilled at berth, again common sense should tell you or anyone else that.
Only preexisters preach Jesus was that at berth, because they believe he came forth from a Pryor existence of somekind, which they can’t even show what that actually Pryor existence was from any scripture.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Jodi
You said: The infant Jesus was not a lord over anyone, but the Jesus who died on the cross prior to his death was a lord, and he was raised from the dead as our lord also.
Me: are you telling me that there’s two Messiahs, one at birth and one at His Resurrection.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
You said: The biblical FACT of the matter is the INFANT did not save you by his birth.
Me: The biblical fact is I didn’t like e back then at His birth, 2000 years ago, it’s only by his Spirit now, we are after the fact
? Did you live back then?
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless.
Hi Gene
Is the Prophesied Messiah a Messiah when He is born, that’s the real question. The Scriptures say that He is.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless
Anthony, you need to understand what a massiah is, is a baby a massiah? Is he and anointed man of God?, if jesus as you preach was born a massiah or anounted being of God , then why would he need to be baptized later and recieve the anointing spirit of God, when he was around thirity years old., do you people just ignore his baptizm and anointing with the holy spirit later after his berth? Is that not even in your bibles? No one has ever answered this question,
If Jesus was born anointed, then why did he later have to be baptized and anointed again?
Why can’t you or T8 answer that question. By saying Jesus was born anointed, that is the same thing as saying he was not anointed later when he was a man, so that makes you both against his adult anointing, which JOHN COINED A ANTICHRIST or against the anointing of the (MAN) JESUS.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Gene
Have you ever read these Scriptures? See Isaiah 11, the Divine order
Although the destruction of the city of Babylon is now in the historic past, many of these prophetic passages also speak of the future destruction of the world system which dominates during the ‘Times of the Gentiles.’ This world system is symbolically called ‘Babylon’ (literally, ‘Babel,’ meaning ‘confusion’), because it is in opposition to God’s truth and order. ”The divine order is given in Isaiah 11, Israel in her own land, the center of the divine government of the world and channel of the divine blessing; and the Gentiles ble okssed in association with Israel. Anything else is pure ‘Babel’.” Such a system cannot endure. It will collapse under the future judgment of God. The fall of ‘Babylon,’ in all its aspects as a political, economic and religious system, is further described prophetically in the book of the Revelation.
This anti- Christ system will fall
do you believe Jesus Christ was born the Messiah?
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless
Hi All
Scriptures that help.
‘In the beginning God.” The very first word gives God His right place.
Us = The Father, Jesus Christ(Word) and Angles.
”In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth… And God said– Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness” (Gen 1:1,26). Here we have the verbs created and said in the singular, the name of God in its plural form– Elohim— and the plural pronoun Us. [Compare the following passages:]
”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made” (Joh 1:1-3).”The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting from the beginning, or ever [ie., before] the earth was. When He prepared the heavens, I was there… when He appointed the foundations of the earth.” (Prov 8:22-29).”Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world,” Jesus said to His Father when He was about to lay down His His life for us (Joh 17:24).
Thus, in the beginning of all things, we see our everlasting Saviour, the Son of God, ”whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds” (Heb 1:2).
God bless.
Anthony…..is a King a king when he is born, even though that is his desteny, NO, he is a king when he is crowned a king.
If it was declared that today you are the King, then yes he would be the king.
If Jesus was born anointed, then why did he later have to be baptized and anointed again?
He was born the Christ and while John initially refused to baptized the one who was greater than him, Jesus said to do it to fulfill all righteousness. The Spirit came upon him and was a sign to John that the one whom the Spirit comes down upon is the Messiah. Not becomes the messiah as you guys teach.
John was correct, Jesus was already greater than John before his baptism and John had the Holy Spirit while in his mother’s womb. And no one born of a woman was greater than him, but the least in the kingdom is greater than him.
Jesus was greater because he was of the kingdom from birth. He was the Son of God, messiah, saviour, and Lord before, during, and after his baptism.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
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