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Hi Ed J,
ME: Definitions 1 and 2 tell you directly that free will does not exist,
it is absolutely impossible for someone to commit an act or make a choice that is independent of influences.YOU:
1) Not so
2) Oh yea, I can make a phone call: calling someone without them influencing me to do so.
How do you account for that?ME: Ed J, you are not following at all what I am saying.
Yah so what, the person you are calling didn’t directly influence you to call them, good grief Ed J that does not exclude the fact that something DID in FACT influence you to make the call. You did have a REASON or a PURPOSE for calling did you not? You want to tell me that the reason or purpose you made the phone call was totally void of your long term and short term memory, that your call had nothing to do with previous knowledge, previous experiences? That is impossible!
Ed J are not your actions/choices dependent upon your thoughts?.. don’t they begin first with your own thoughts and then you act on them? Where do your thoughts come from Ed J? Don’t they come from your feelings, from your memory, your knowledge, your experiences?
Ed J, do you have absolute control over all of your experiences? Of course not, and thus your will is not free at all, it has been shaped through experiences of which many of those experiences you have had no control over. Those experiences subject you to make certain choices that you would have not made otherwise, if you hadn’t had them.
Let’s go through another example,
You go to a buffet and you are free to choose whatever foods you want, in the fact that no other person is stopping you from making a particular choice, no other person is telling you that you can only have the fish and you cannot have the prime rib.
I suppose Ed J you would call this a person’s free will choice to choose whatever food they want, but it is not, they actually cannot just choose whatever food they want, as the person’s choice is dependent upon factors that are out of their control. The person chooses prime rib because the person loves prime rib and the person does not choose fish because the person cannot stand fish. The person has no control over how displeasing the smell and taste of fish is to them, their choice is made not of free will, but upon factors that are out of the person’s control.
Ed J, a male child of a male alcoholic is 90% more likely to become an alcoholic, WHY IS THAT?
Hi Ed J,
Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
freewill Transliterated Word
N@dab (Aramaic)to volunteer, offer freely
(Ithpael)
to volunteer
to give freely, offer freelyNot all translations use “freewill”.
Why does someone volunteer or offer to do something or voluntarily say they will go somewhere?
A person’s CHOICE to go is their choice, no one is making it for them, they are free to choose to go or not to go. Their CHOICE however is dependent upon exactly what I said in my last post, it is based on experiences they have had, which they are able to think upon those experiences because they have a memory, those experiences include experiences that have been out of their control, of which AFFECTS their choice.
Hi Jodi,
You are free to believe what the bible says or make
attempts to discredit the bible: YOUR “Free Will”But you telling me you know better than the bible,
does not help your quest to influence my mind._________
Sorry
Ed JHi Ed J,
Show me where I say I believe better than the bible?
I gave you the original WORD that SOME translators gave as “free will”.
the original word’s definition is to volunteer, which does NOT in anyway make what I am saying against scripture any scripture.
Man makes choices based on influences, of which are stored in our memories of which form our knowledge and understanding of things which affect directly to the choices we make.
You want to tell me that a man, you yourself has complete control over all that influences you? You chose your genes, you chose your hormone levels, you chose the level of functioning of your brain? You chose your parents? You chose your parents values? You chose your teachers in school and chose exactly what they taught you? You have had the power to choose all people that have crossed your path in your lifetime and have chosen what they have said to you and how they have acted towards you? You are able to choose all that you witness in life? Nothing outside of your control has an impact on you, that would affect the choices you make? An earthquake, flood, famine, disease, you have control over all thing ? Do you think you are God Ed J? Of course not, but if you think for one minute that you make choices out of something that is FREE that is not based on influences that you did not choose, you are delusional, not living in any sort of reality.
Jodi, you are free to believe in free will or not. Would you agree? If not, then if you have no free choice in the matter, so why even try to argue this one if we cannot freely choose to believe your view? And if we did choose to believe your view, would that not actually be an oxymoron.
T8……Jodi is exactly right and so a I, the term ” freewill” is an “OXYMORON”. No such thing exists, common sense should tell you that. If what you say is true, that we do our own “free” wills, then there could exist no prophesy, why?, because everything is driven by a “freewill” choices according to you people. There could also be no “influencing” of the spirit of God , because it would be against your “free” wills. He could not cause “his” will to work in you, why?, because you want to maintain your own “will” that is “free”, even though you are really held in captivity by it, and from there comes your arogrance.
Tell us why would this statement exist, if our wills were truly “free” as you supose ? for it is God who works in us “both” to “will” and do of “his” good pleasure. Tell us how does “your” so-called “freewill” fit in that.
Tell us when do you finally put your will that, according to you, are “free’ to death. Does that ever happen? Or do you “freewill” yourself into eternal life? The reason people like you and Edj, desire a “freewill” is because you desire control over your life, as if you are your own God, you reject God’s will and replace it with your own will, which is not really free at all, but a will held in captivity, by your own thoughts and influences of your minds. You both will do exactly what “influences” you the most, as we all do.
Now iF that spirit be of God, then it will “INFLUENCE ” your “will” the most , why because as it says, “he that is “in” you is greater then he that is in the world.
T8….. There is no such thing as a WILL that is FREE, or it simply would not be a WILL, at all, common sense should tell you that. A will by it very definition implies desire, and desires do not come from a “free” source. They are whats influencing you and you will do what influences you the most, rather it be of the world or God.
Because we are “free” to excercise our “captivated will” is one thing, but to say those wills are free “themselves” is quite another. What do you think this means , “he has come to set the captives “free” , how are they held captive, is it not by their own “wills? nothing free about it is there?
Bottom line is you nor Edj, have a clue what you are talking about on this matter,
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Jodi…..This is why they don’t understand many things we say, they simply don’t have the spirit of truth, so they are just unable to comprehend many thing we say, even simple things. I know it gets fustrating at times, but it does keep us on our toes, as they say. If nothing else at least we know we have born wittness of the truth to them.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi t8,
You are not understanding at all what I am saying. You are seeing things at a surface level and you need to think deeper.
I have said multiple times now, that each individual has freedom to make choices.
I am and you are free to think and make decisions/choices based upon our own thoughts and act on those thoughts.
The very word “choice” means you have the freedom to decide.
Time to take this further t8, and think deeper,
Your freedom to make a decision, is not the same thing as the decision itself that you made and how it is that you made that particular decision. That is what I want to separate and discuss.
We all agree,
You are free to make an individual decision, a decision based from within you by your own thoughts.
What you refuse to acknowledge,
Your own thoughts which you make your decisions/choices from, those thoughts are a product of your life experiences, your memory of those experiences, your knowledge that is stored in your memory.
t8, have you had the freedom to choose all your experiences, have you had the freedom to choose every single thing that you have ever heard, seen, and felt?
t8, have you had the freedom throughout your life to control all things stored into your memory of which you USE that MEMORY to make a decision?
Is your will not a product of your own individual memory?
Your personal life experiences, of which you do not have complete control over, hardly, gives you your individual memory, which is directly where your WILL comes from.
t8, why is your will, that which you will to do, different from others? It is different because you are different according to your own nature, your own genetic makeup and according to your own experiences.
I have two children who are very different from each other, from the time they were very little one has been more caring, patient, easy going, the other one more self centered, stubborn, and argumentative. Just their very nature, something that none of us can choose, has played a factor in shaping their own wills. They have not had all the same experiences, and if they shared an experience they did not perceive that experience the same. How you perceive one experience not only has to do with your own nature, but also has to do with your previous experiences and how you perceived those.
t8, we are absolutely free to make decisions from our own thoughts that come from our memory and from our very nature, of which form our own individual wills. Being free to choose is not at all the same thing as having a will that is free, a free will is impossible.
t8, you are not acknowledging where your will comes from, how it is that your will is different from someone else, and thus why you make choices that are different from others.
To All,
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
Luke 11:28 But he said,Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
The Gospel of God was a Gospel that was WITH God before the world was. God kept this Gospel with Him throughout history, revealing it to the prophets, keeping it with Him as an oath promised to be fulfilled. The promised Son of Man (a son of David) was in the Gospel of God, and God anointed this Son of Man (a son of David) to be sent out to preach and to fulfill this Gospel of God, having been given the Spirit without measure, where it would be impossible for him to fail in fulfillment as God’s OATH was that the seed of David would fulfill all of God’s will.
When the Son of Man (son of David) as was promised, as was prophesied, ascended to sit at God’s right hand, the Spirit came down from heaven anointing other men with the Spirit by measure, to likewise preach this Gospel, this word of good news that God had PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN and then fulfilled by His will.
1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
1 Thess 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
The Gospel is the good news, that “news” that people did hear is God’s word.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Coloss 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in THE WORD of the truth of the gospel;
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? THE WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
THE WORD is NOT a pre-existing Jesus, THE WORD of GOD that we are to confess our faith in, is believing in the good news that the MAN Jesus God raised from the dead, and this is good news to us because God had promised David that his son God would make into His firstborn, a firstborn of many brethren, where David died in hope knowing that he would be one of those many brethren.
Such is exactly why Paul says,
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
The MEASURE and STATURE OF THE FULLNESS of Christ equates to a perfect man, the Son of God equates to a perfect man, anything else is to be a CHILD where you have been, “tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
The fullness of Christ being a non flesh Son of God coming down to be in the form of man, is a doctrine of cunning craftiness, where pieces of passages have been manipulated, taken out of context to form a lie against the simple truth spoken by Paul and elsewhere.
Like Jesus’s own words and the words from Acts,
Jesus said, “The Son of Man has come to SAVE that which is lost”
Acts 13, “I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISE RAISED unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus”
There is NO sending of a pre-existing Son to be a savior, there is David’s seed, THE SON OF MAN, that had been PROMISED TO COME, being raised up from among the people to save that which is lost. The one who God SENT was JESUS of Nazareth, who AFTER the baptism John was preaching, was anointed with God’s Spirit being begotten just as God ALSO PROMISED to David concerning his son, being born of the Spirit without measure being CALLED TO righteousness, being fully LED by God’s Spirit, and thus rightfully called a Son of God.
Jodi……Very good and “clearly “ written post, You have nailed it again sis, God bless you in your service of the Gospel of truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
That flesh Jodi,
IS ALL HEAVENLY! ALL DIVINE!
DESPITE it is MADE of the seed of David.
ME: I am so glad Carmel that you said his flesh was made of the seed of David, that we can agree upon!!
Carmel please explain, how is it that the flesh of Jesus that was in all ways tempted as we are tempted, and was able to die as we die, be considered DIVINE?? God is NOT able to be tempted and God is not able to die.
Also 1 Corinthians 15 tells you that Jesus had a body that was sown in corruption, dishonor, and weakness, but he was raised incorruptible, with glory and power. He was raised with a body that was DIVINE, not able to be tempted by flesh, not able to die.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
God is Spirit and He sent His Son
Not through the process in any way of this satanic world! Otherwise, God would have been subject to Satan. Which is PURE MADNESS.
Jesus came into this world in a UNIQUE divine flesh, with a UNIQUE divine process. By which process He redeemed humanity’s FLESH!
ME: WHOA!! What you have said is so messed up!
What are you talking about “through the PROCESS in any way of this satanic world”?
We are BORN by God’s design, God KNOWS us before we are born, He knows us when we are in the womb. God had foreordained certain men before the foundation of the world, ALONG WITH Jesus.
Jesus redeemed us through condemning sin in his own flesh, he was tempted but he denied all temptation BECAUSE God was WITH him holding his hand and keeping him, for God had called the offspring of Jesse to righteousness to be a covenant.
To redeem us from our sins committed by our flesh you don’t think he needed to be a man with flesh just like us? YES he did, that is exactly how it is that he could pay our penalty for our sins. CARMEL, Jesus was anointed with the Spirit and Power of God, through God being in him and with him he was able to overcome sin, condemn sin in his flesh.
Why do you think we are told that as one man brought sin and death, God had planned to bring righteousness and life through one man? It is NOT through some DIVINE special flesh, but through weak mortal flesh able to be tempted that OVERCAME by having received God’s Spirit without measure.
Jesus paid the penalty for our sins which was death, so that there would be a resurrection.
Our sins are paid even though we keep committing them, but as Paul tells us if we mortify the deeds of the flesh we will live, if we have repentance for our sins and have faith in God, desiring to be made as Jesus was to walk perfectly in God’s ways through God’s Spirit, we shall receive that Spirit unto a crown of life.
Carmel,
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
If Jesus is what you say Carmel then he would not have needed to OVERCOME a single thing, but he instead did in fact overcome the world.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Jesus said he was doing nothing of himself, God was in him, God was with him, Jesus said he was learning from God. Jesus was tempted but he learned that God’s Spirit in him allowed him to OVERCOME. He overcame the power of the Carnal Mind that devices sin through having weak flesh, he never once indulged in any temptation, he did not live by bread alone, but by every word from God’s mouth.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Carmel your carnal mind is your adversary, it is your slanderer, it has been in all men since the beginning, it has been a liar since the beginning because it is ignorant like a serpent, it is deaf and blind like a serpent, it tells you to serve your own desires and your own needs over the ways of God, like a serpent that only knows to crawl on it’s belly licking the dust using it’s Jacobson’s organ to find food to fill his belly. Why Jesus says you cannot SERVE to masters you cannot serve God and mammon. Why Paul says, “Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)”
When Jesus went into the wilderness and was TEMPTED, he was tempted by his weak hungry flesh that caused him to device using God’s powers to make himself bread to eat, but he said “MAN shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from God’s mouth”. Jesus was to live by the word of God that he was receiving from God.
Jesus was quoting OT regarding the manna given to the Israelites. Yes the bread was sustenance for life, but it was God’s law, his word of commandment regarding the gathering of the manna that they needed to keep, or else God would consume them for not obeying HIS WORD. Jesus obeyed every word given to him from God, he followed God’s will and not his own, destroying the power of the carnal mind, destroying the slanderer.
Hi Jodi and Gene
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Yahweh’s Assembly in Messiah
The Pre-Existence of Yahshua
Before the world began, there was Yahweh, Who had no beginning, and Who will have no end. He is an awesome Being, who deserves our respect, obedience, and love! He wants us to “seek His face,” and “learn of Me.” In this study, we will be learning about Him, and about His pre-existent Son. This will be an inspiring journey into the very Mind and will of our Almighty Creator. Learn of His truths as you study this lesson on the pre-existence of His only Son, Who existed with Him in the beginning!
The time has come for people to learn the true doctrine of the only begotten Son of the Heavenly Father, and His relationship with His Heavenly Father. Christianity, Judaism and Islam truly do not understand the true relationship. Father Yahweh has determined it is time for the scales of blindness to fall from our eyes, and for the spirit of stupor (Romans 11:8), along with the veil covering our hearts (2 Corinthians 3:14-17) to be removed.Many theologians, ministers and other well-minded people have attempted to understand and then explain the relationship between the Father and the Son. Hundreds of books have been written to promote either the “Oneness” or “Trinitarian” doctrines attempting to describe the nature of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. With all due respect to these attempts, allow me to state boldly, they are all wrong.
We know that we are in the Last Day, because the understanding of the Scriptures that were sealed by direction of the angel to Daniel the prophet (Daniel 12:4, 9) is now being unsealed and understood.
Daniel 12:4, 9, But you Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book until the time of the end, many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase. Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
The Scriptures were sealed and closed up to our understanding until the time of the end. Additionally, we will understand the intent of Yahweh’s heart perfectly in the latter days (Jeremiah 23:20).
Jeremiah 23:20, The anger of Yahweh will not turn back until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart. In the latter days you will understand it perfectly.
The truth regarding the relationship between Yahweh and Yahshua being made known with absolute clarity from the Sacred Scriptures is a fulfillment of the prophecy in Jeremiah 23:20, et al. I strongly suggest, before you go any further, you take a moment of prayer, asking Yahweh, through Yahshua, to remove all pride, ego, stubbornness, and preconception and impart the Holy Spirit upon your understanding of the many forthcoming Scriptures, many of which you may have read many times, but may understand them for the first time.
The relationship between Yahweh the Heavenly Father, and Yahshua His only begotten Son, will be explained in common layman’s terms, along with a plethora of Scriptures proving the matter. Before beginning our study, here are a couple of terms which will help provide clarity of thought and proper understanding of the Scriptures that will be presented. When the Heavenly Father is referenced in the Hebrew text by His Sacred Name, it is seen as YHWH (aka, the tetragrammaton = the four letters, which in the Hebrew, look like this: יהוה). This signifies His proper Name, Yahweh. Most English versions of the Bible openly confess in their preface that the translators subtracted/substituted the Sacred Name (YHWH) from the text and added the titles Lord/God in place of the Sacred Name. Please recall what the Scriptures teach about adding and subtracting (Revelation 22:18-19; Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32). Additionally, the Greek/Latin name of Jesus is incorrect and the original Hebrew name of the Savior is Yahshua. Yahshua is the true Sacred Name of the Savior. Therefore, this writing will manifest the correct Sacred Names of the Father and the Son and refrain from false names or titles.
Furthermore, in our English versions where we see God, in the original Hebrew text is the word Elohim. When referencing the Father or the Son, the word Elohim has been incorrectly translated as God. God is an appropriate interpretation when referencing false gods, however, it is a poor choice when referencing the Father or the Son. The appropriate translation when referencing the Father or the Son would be Mighty One (i.e., Almighty), or Mighty Ones. Elohim is generally plural (Mighty Ones), depending on the context in which it is used. By returning to the original text as closely as possible, much of the confusion is erased and clarity of doctrine comes forward.
Our Heavenly Father, Yahweh Elohim, brought forth His Son from the beginning, and the pre-existent Yahshua was the firstborn of all creation. He was also the firstborn from the dead, which references His resurrection; whereas, being firstborn over all creation references His pre-existence. Yahshua was with His Father before the creation of the world. Yahshua was Elohim (i.e., a Mighty One) in the likeness of His Father. This is not polytheism, wherein you have two or more heads, i.e., two or more gods on par with one another. This is a Father and Son relationship with one head, the Father. Yahweh is greater than Yahshua even though Yahshua is Elohim.
Yahweh and Yahshua each had their part in Creation. Yahweh was the Architect. He drew up the blueprints, determined the boundaries and laid the foundations. Yahweh then instructed His Son to be the Master Craftsman. All things were created by and through Yahshua. Nothing was made that was made without Yahshua, including all things in heaven and earth, invisible and visible, thrones or principalities. Yahshua came in the Old Testament in His Father’s Name (Yahweh). Yah is a family name. Yah is the shortened form of Yahweh. Yahshua is of the family of Yahweh. HalleluYah means “praise ye Yah.” Many people say “halleluyah” without knowing its true meaning. It was Yahshua Who came in the Name of Yahweh, Who spoke to Moses from the burning bush and Who provided the Memorial Name “I AM”, which is English for Yah.
No one has ever seen Father Yahweh, except for Yahshua. Yahweh has remained in Heaven. It was Yahshua, in the Name of Yahweh, Who interacted with Moses, Abraham, Jacob, the 70 Elders and others. It was by Yahweh’s election that these facts were hidden from the very beginning of the ages until the last days. Yahshua was the Creator with Yahweh, and is Who Yahweh chose to create all things.
Let’s take a journey through the Scriptures to see if they support and prove the previous statements.
And to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in Yahweh Who created all things through Yahshua Messiah (Ephesians 3:9, NKJV).
We speak wisdom, however, among them that are full grown, yet a wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who are coming to nothing, but we speak Yahweh’s wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that has been hidden, which Yahweh foreordained before the worlds to our glory, which none of the rulers of this world have known, for had they known it, they would not have impaled the Sovereign of glory… (1 Corinthians 2:6-8).
Yahweh defines Yahshua as Wisdom and the WORD. The WORD was spoken in a mystery, which Yahweh foreordained before the worlds. If this mystery, that Yahshua was Elohim, was known to the world, they would not have impaled Him. Understand the significance of the following Scriptures which manifest Yahshua as the Creator with His Father.
John 1:2, All things were made through Him and without Him was not anything made that was made.
Colossians 1:16, For in Him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Hebrews 1:2, …has at the end of these days spoken to us in His Son, Who He appointed heir of all things, through Whom He made the worlds.
We can clearly see from these Scriptures that Yahshua was the Creator. He created all things and without Him nothing was made that was made. Since these Scriptures are true, the Scriptures must clearly teach of Yahshua’s pre-existence. Please note: Yahshua must have existed prior to Creation if He was, in fact, the Creator! Do the Scriptures support Yahshua’s pre-existence before Creation? Consider the following:
Micah 5:2, But you, Bethlehem Ephrata, though you are little among thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting.
Revelation 3:14, … these things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of Yahweh.
Colossians 1:17, He is before all things, and in Him all things exist.
John 6:38, For I have come down from heaven…
John 16:28, I come out from the Father, and have come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 17:24, Father, I desire that they also whom You have given Me be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory, which You have given to Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
Colossians 1:15, He is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn over all creation.
Yahshua’s goings forth are from old, from everlasting. He is before all things, and His Father loved Him before the creation of the world. For He came down from heaven, and He came out from the Father, and He leaves the world to go to the Father.
By now, you are beginning to get a clearer understanding of the relationship between the Father and the Son. When we restore the Sacred Names, and the proper terms, such as Elohim instead of God, back into the scriptures, they bring forth clarity. Notice the following:
John 1:1-2, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was Elohim. He was in the beginning with Yahweh.
The Word is Yahshua the Messiah, Who became flesh (John 1:14).
John 1:14, And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Let’s look at John 1:1-2 paraphrased so as to provide you with clarity. John 1:1-2, In the beginning was Yahshua, and Yahshua was with Yahweh, and Yahshua was Elohim. He was in the beginning with Yahweh (paraphrased not quoted). With a solid understanding of John 1:1-2, as well as the myriad of other Scriptures you have just read, you should now understand the following Scriptures:
Genesis 1:1, In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Every Bible researcher agrees the word Elohim, as used in Genesis 1:1, is plural. It references the Father and the Son. It should have been translated into English as Mighty Ones, i.e., the Father and the Son. This translation would have maintained the appropriate context of the true relationship between the Father and the Son. The translators erred when they translated the word Elohim as God, and caused misunderstanding as to the preexistence of Yahshua.
Take notice of the following Scripture: Genesis 1:26, Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Man was made in the image and likeness of the Father and the Son. All Scripture harmonizes perfectly with all the other Scriptures when we apply the appropriate words and appropriate interpretation. All Scripture supports the fact that Yahshua was with His Father in the beginning and was with His Father for the Creation.
The Scriptures are perfect, and all contradictions fade away when we compile the Scriptures line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little, and then allow the compilation to interpret itself by adapting the interpretation that harmonizes with all the Scriptures. Yahshua made other declarations in the Scriptures of His pre-existence, that it was actually Him in the Old Testament Who came as Yahweh.
John 8:58, Yahshua said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, ‘Before Abraham was born, I AM.’”
John 8:56, Your Father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it, and was glad.
John 5:43, I have come in My Father’s Name, and you receive Me not; if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.
John 17:11, …Holy Father, keep them in Your name which You have given Me…
The Heavenly Father gave His Son Yahshua the Father’s Name, i.e., Yahweh. The Patriarchs were unaware of the mystery hidden from the beginning of the ages in Yahweh, that Yahshua was Elohim and all things were created through Him. The Patriarchs were unaware they were dealing with the Son. As we have seen from the aforementioned Scriptures, it was Yahweh’s intent that the truth about His Son would not become known with clarity until the last days. Yahshua’s verbal exchanges with the Pharisees become much more profound, taking on new light when we understand He was the Creator with His Father from the beginning! This begs the question: Do other Scriptures support that it was Yahshua Who interacted with Abraham, Moses, Solomon, and the same One the Elders saw? Was it Yahshua Who wrestled with Jacob? All this time, we have been under the misconception that it was Father Yahweh. Read and understand the following Scriptures carefully. Keep in mind: the Scriptures are perfect and do not contradict one another when you have the correct interpretation.
John 6:46, Not that any man has seen the Father, except He that is from Yahweh, He has declared Him.
John 1:18, No man has seen Yahweh at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Exodus 33:20, And He said, “You cannot see My face; for man cannot see Me and live.”
These Scriptures manifest no one has ever seen Yahweh at anytime. These Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35), so we know it was Yahshua who was Elohim and came in His Father’s Name. It was Yahshua who interacted with the Patriarchs. Furthermore, we see from John 8:58that Yahshua states clearly that He was “I AM” before Abraham was.
In Exodus 3:13-15, Yahshua speaks through the burning bush and tells Moses His Name is “I AM”. “I AM” translates into the Hebrew as “Yah”. “Yah” is the shortened form of Yahweh. Yahweh, in its shortened form “Yah”, is incorporated into the Name of the Son, i.e. Yahshua. An interesting side note is the fact that you cannot call upon the Son by His Sacred Name, Yahshua, without invoking the shortened form of the Name of the Father.
We have seen from 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 that the mystery of Yahshua being Elohim was hidden in Yahweh from the beginning of the ages. Because of this mystery, Yahshua was called the Everlasting Father. Notice that this Scripture does not state He was the Everlasting Father, but that He would be called the Everlasting Father.
Isaiah 9:6, For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty El, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
This Scripture came true, as all Scriptures do. Yahshua was called the Father, not because He is the Father, but because of the mystery that was hidden by Yahweh throughout the ages. Now, in these Last Days, we are learning the true relationship between the Father and the Son. Theologians have wrestled with the following Scriptures for ages. They really get confused trying to justify the Scriptures that manifest two Sovereigns, or two Yahwehs.
Hebrews 1:9, You have loved righteousness, and have hated iniquity; therefore Elohim, your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
Acts 2:34, For David ascended not into the heavens, but he says himself, “Yahweh said to my Sovereign, ‘Sit You on My right hand.’”
Psalm 110:1, Yahweh says to my Sovereign, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
Genesis 19:24, Then Yahweh rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah, brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven.
Notice: There are two Yahwehs—One on earth and One in heaven at the same time, working in unity with One another. There are two Sovereigns—the Father, and the Son Who came in the Name of His Father. There are two Elohim—a Father and a Son; however, the Father is greater than the Son. There are two separate entities working in unity, with two separate wills. Yahshua states clearly that He did not come in His own will, but came to perform His Father’s will.
John 6:38, For I came down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him Who sent Me.
Two separate wills manifest two separate entities, therefore, Yahshua cannot be Yahweh. For additional proof, let’s examine another Scripture.
Mark 13:32, But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Re-read this Scripture as many times as is necessary for you to understand that the Son and the Father are not the same entity. Even though they are of one spirit (the breath of Yahweh), and in unity, Yahshua does not know when His Father will elect to begin the Last Great Day of Yahweh. Yahweh is not two beings, and neither is He three beings! Yahweh is One. Deuteronomy 6:4, Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our Elohim, Yahweh is One.
By compiling the Scriptures, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little, and allowing the compilation of Scriptures to interpret themselves by finding how they all harmonize, we can lay the correct foundation to understand the relationship between the Father and the Son. When we begin with the false premise that the Son is the Father, all the other Scriptures about Them no longer harmonize. When we begin with a false premise, the Scriptures are very troublesome even for ministers and theologians. For example, if we begin with the premise of the Trinity, which Christianity defines as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being one entity, with three separate personalities, equal in power, eternity and glory, many scriptures become contradictory, such as:
1.) When Yahshua was being baptized by John the Baptist, and the Father spoke from heaven saying, This is My Son, was this actually Yahshua tricking everyone?
2.) When Yahshua died, how could He have resurrected Himself?
3.) In Ecclesiastes 9:5 we read, The dead know nothing. Was He really dead? Was the world without their Heavenly Father?
4.) If they are the same entity, why do the scriptures manifest two separate wills?
5.) If they are the same entity, how could the Son not know the Last Great Day of Yahweh?
These questions could go on ad infinitum, as it has for centuries. It has caused division with a different doctrine everywhere we turn. Not having the true understandings until these last days has caused division. Not understanding how to harmonize the Scriptures, and not understanding we must allow the harmony of the Scriptures to provide the correct interpretation has also caused much division. Even with all the division today, we CAN all come into unity. These false premises have caused good, intelligent individuals to turn away from True Worship. These individuals have recognized all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Scriptures that were caused by false interpretations. When an individual is faced with literally dozens and dozens of contradictions and inconsistencies, they either elect to follow after a man’s teaching in a church (minister) blindly, or they seek some other religion. However, when the individual learns how the Scriptures interpret themselves through harmony, then no man can deceive them or misdirect them, and all the contradictions and inconsistencies disappear.
Learning to harmonize the Scriptures in these last days is prophetic. As we have seen from Daniel 12:4, 9, the book is sealed only until the Last Days. As we have seen from Jeremiah 23:20, we will understand the intent of Yahweh’s heart perfectly in the Last Days. Yahweh has promised throughout the Scriptures that He would make the crooked things straight. Learning how to harmonize all Scripture is one of the most substantial things we can learn.
When we begin with the premise that the Son pre-existed with His Father, that the Son was Elohim (a Mighty One) with His Father, that the Son was the first creation of the Father, and that the Son created all things and without Him, nothing was created. When we understand and apply these truths, all the scriptures harmonize. None of the scriptures contradict themselves. This perfect harmony in the scriptures is how we know the truth of the relationship between the Father and the Son.
When you seek and find the interpretation that harmonizes all the Scriptures, you have just let the Scriptures interpret themselves through harmony. We must learn to accept the interpretation the Scriptures themselves provide via their harmony. We have to let go of our pride, ego, preconception, or our churches doctrine, and submit to what the Scriptures themselves provide as truth through finding their harmony. Yahweh’s word is perfect and tried.
Psalm 18:30, As for Yahweh, His way is perfect; the Word of Yahweh is tried.
We know Yahweh is not the Author of confusion, as Satan would like us to believe. When you are Alpha and Omega, you do not misspeak your intentions. Let’s search the scriptures further to see if we can find other scriptures that manifest the relationship between the Father and the Son, and that harmonize with all the other scriptures as to their true relationship.
1 Corinthians 15:28, And when all things have become subject to Him, then shall the Son Himself also be subjected to Him that did subject all things to Him, that Yahweh may be in all things.
John 14:28, …for the Father is greater than I.
Yahweh’s Word is truth. The fact the Father is greater than the Son destroys the very definition Christianity has provided for the Trinity, which describes the three being equal in power, eternity and glory. Yahshua Himself will become subject to the Father, and as we will see, Yahweh is greater than Yahshua.
Many have asked how to harmonize John 10:30, I and My Father are one(NKJV). The word one is #1520 (heis) in Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance.It is derived from numerous root words, one of which is #3391, which means agree. In other words, one means inunity. Every interpreter of every Bible version faces the task of selecting the correct English definition for every word he encounters in the Hebrew and the Greek. If the interpreter starts from a false premise in his understanding of doctrinal issues, then he would undoubtedly select the wrong definition, or the definition that best fit his doctrine, rather than the definition that harmonized all Scriptures and was best to maintain the context and integrity of those Scriptures.
If the interpreter would have had an understanding of the true relationship between the Father and the Son at the time of his translating, he would have selected the root word heis, #3391, which is agree, i.e. unity. A proper interpretation of John 10:30 should read, “I and My Father are in agreement,” or “I and My Father are in unity.”Choosing agree, agreement or unity would have been a much better choice than one. Even though the word one is a major part of the definition of the Greek word heis, it is a poor selection that does not maintain the integrity of the Scriptures.
We must learn to harmonize all Scriptures. We may need to pray about it. We may need to search the Scriptures more carefully, seeking Yahweh’s help through His Holy Spirit. We may need to research the meanings of the words in Greek and Hebrew, just as we did for the aforementioned Greek word heis and its numerous definitions and root words.
All Scriptures harmonize perfectly once you have discovered the correct interpretation. Even though we have found the proper interpretation of the Greek word heis by finding its root words, let’s have the Scriptures themselves interpret John 10:30.
John 17:11, Holy Father, keep them in Your name which You have given Me, that they may be one, even as We are one. Yahshua is asking His Father to keep His disciples as one just as He and His Father are one. It would be nonsensical for us to think that Yahshua is asking for His disciples to be one person or one entity. Clearly, Yahshua wants His disciples to be kept in unity, i.e. agreement. Therefore, John 17:11 tells us how to properly understandJohn 10:30.
This is just one example of Scripture interpreting Scripture. Even when an interpreter selects the wrong interpretation, we can obtain the correct interpretation by allowing the other Scriptures to interpret themselves. Let’s search out the Scriptures for more clarity on the relationship between the Father and the Son. If the Messiah was the Father, that would mean the Father came down from heaven and became flesh. What do the Scriptures say?
1 John 4:3, By this you know the Spirit of Yahweh, every spirit that confesses that Yahshua the Messiah has come in the flesh.
Yahweh did not come in the flesh! Yahshua came in the flesh. Once we clearly understand that Yahshua pre-existed with His Father in heaven, we can clearly understand the clarity of the Scripture which states that it was Yahshua Who came down and became flesh. Let’s search further and see if there is any distinction in the doctrine taught by Yahweh and the doctrine taught by Yahshua. Did Yahshua come with His own doctrine or a doctrine that was different from that of His Father? John 7:16, Yahshua therefore answered them, and said,“My teaching is not mine, but His that sent Me.”
John 14:24, He that loves Me not keeps not My words, and the Word that you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s Who sent Me.
If the Father and the Son were the same entity, then the Son would not need to make the distinction that His words were not His. Let’s continue to search for clarity in the distinction between the Two. How does Scripture answer this question: Can Yahweh and Yahshua both be tempted?
James 1:13, Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted of Yahweh,” for Yahweh cannot be tempted with evil, and He Himself tempts no man.
Hebrews 4:15, For we have not a High Priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but One that has in all points been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
The Father cannot be tempted, yet Yahshua has been tempted in all points just as we have. We can clearly see the distinction between the Two of Them. The Father is greater than the Son, and because the Father is Spirit, He has not become flesh. Yahshua’s temptation came through the carnal flesh.
Let’s briefly recap. Yahshua is Elohim. Yahshua pre-existed with His Father before creation. Yahshua is the Creator with His Father, and possesses power beyond our imagination. However, He is not Yahweh. Yahweh is greater than Yahshua. No one has ever seen Yahweh. Yahshua is the light of the world. He is the bread of life. He is the WAY. He has created all things. Yahshua is “Wisdom” personified.
Colossians 2:3, …in Whom are hidden all the treasure of wisdom and knowledge.
Let’s read the “Wisdom” chapter in Proverbs and learn the deeper things with more clarity pertaining to the relationship between the Father and the Son. Yahshua says in Proverbs 8:23-36, I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth, when there were no fountains increasing with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth. While as yet He had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the beginning of the dust of the world. When He established the heavens I was there. When He set a circle upon the face of the deep, when He made the skies above, when the fountains of the deep became strong. He gave the sea its bound, that the water should not transgress the commandment. When He marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was by Him, as a master workman, and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him, rejoicing in His habitable earth, and My delight was with the sons of men. Now therefore, My sons, listen to Me, for blessed are they that keep My ways. Hear instruction, and be Wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that hears Me, watching daily at My gates, waiting at the posts of My doors. For whoever finds Me finds life, and shall obtain favor of Yahweh. But he that sins against Me wrongs his own soul. All they that hate Me love death.
If you are still dull of hearing because of your prior indoctrination, then open your eyes to these Scriptures, because they will leave absolutely no doubt whatsoever as to the truth that the Father and the Son are not the same entity.
John 1:18, …the only begotten Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He has dec1ared Him. (Please note: Yahshua is bearing witness of His Father.)
John 5:37, And the Father Himself, Who sent Me, has testified of Me. (Please note: Yahweh is bearing witness of Yahshua.)
1 John 5:9, …for the witness of Yahweh is this, that He has borne witness of His Son. (Please note: Yahweh is again bearing witness of Yahshua)
If Yahshua is Yahweh, then our entire faith is a fraud. If Yahweh and Yahshua are the same entity, then they are bearing witness of themselves. This is against the very core of what they are teaching.
John 5:31, If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.
Reread this Scripture as many times as is necessary until you fully understand that Yahshua is not and cannot be Yahweh, otherwise His witness of Himself is not true. We must not allow Satan to deceive all of our brothers and sisters with the “oneness” doctrine or the “trinity” doctrine, because both would establish Yahweh’s and Yahshua’s testimony to be untrue. Both of these doctrines undermine our faith. To date, Satan has been successful in the congregations in undermining our faith. Take this information and put a stop to it.
Hebrew 5:5, So the Messiah also glorified not Himself …
Yahshua is not bearing witness of Himself when He bears witness of Yahweh, just as Yahweh is not bearing witness of Himself when He bears witness of His Son. As stated previously, we are in the Last Days, and all lies are going to be made known. Every individual will be given a final opportunity to love and obey the truth. I pray all beings will submit to the Father through their mediator, Yahshua Elohim, our Savior and Messiah.
[Acknowledgement: We gratefully thank EliYah for his literary contribution contained in this article.]
I’m sure we’re dealing with two, not one or three.
HalleluYAH
Anthony……The word yahshua, in English is Joshua, nothing secret or mystery about it.
Heb 4:7-8…. “again he limited certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, if you hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus (Joshua ) had given them (Israelites) rest, them would he (David) not spoke of another day.
The word JESUS SIMPLY MEANS IN ENGLISH , “Joshua” . Nothing more , trying to give a “mystery religious” twist is simply not true. The first Joshua delievered his people to the promised land, the Second “Joshua” (Jesus) also delievers God the Fathers childern also.
Jesus did not “prexist” his birth on this earth , he was in God the fathers plan , even before the foundation of this world. He came into his existence exactly as God the Father PLANNED IT.
You can not identify with Jesus as a true human being at all in your “mystery concepts”. Jesus was a “true human being” in every sense of the word. He came into being “exactly” as we do. You have “separated” yourself from him by your foolish teachings, you are not at one with him, because you have moved him away from yourself,so you are not his “brother” you have made him your GOD and worship him as such, like all “idolaters” do. Your teachings break the first commandment, “you shall have “no other” God besides me. Go read 2ths2 and see where you fit in what is said there, are you doing what the “apostate churches do? Those that fell away from the truth and who we’re given a “deluding spirit” sent to them from God because they loved not the truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Anthony,
The doctrine that you gave is ridiculous Anthony,
First,
The below passages tell you directly that there is One TRUE God and that God ANOINTED a MAN to do His will, this One True God created heaven and earth by His hands, this One True God created man, and then He called a man elected out of the people to righteousness so that He could DIRECT ALL his ways so that we could be saved from captivity.
Galatians 3:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Isaiah 45:10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
JESUS is the MAN who before he came forth he had been, with all certainty promised IN God’s WORD to come. The MAN Jesus came forth out of the foreknowledge of God, not from pre-existing, but coming forth out of a promise made to Abraham, out of a promise of an anointing of Abraham’s seed in order to set people free.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, IN THEE shall all nations be blessed. ……..”I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;”
ANTHONY God called Abraham’s seed to righteousness so that through him, all nations could be blessed, he would be a light to Israel and a light to the Gentiles. Our Only True God had anointed Abraham’s seed with His Spirit in order to DIRECT ALL his ways,
Second,
The word Elohiym is translated God and gods, and goddess,
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Man shall be as Elohiym in that they know good and evil.
Genesis 2:These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
LORD Y@hovah -proper name
God Elohiym – means POWERS,
Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
Anthony, the LORD is the SOURCE of ALL POWER, if He gives man of that power they are thus called gods (elohiym). Exactly why the LORD called Moses a god, He gave him of His Powers.
Notice the gods are the human rulers in Psalm 82, now read what is said in Daniel,
Daniel 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: 21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him. 23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king’s matter.
This is WHY in Genesis 3:5 Adam and Eve are said to be as gods (elohiym) for the LORD made known unto them good and evil.
KNOWLEDGE is a POWER of the LORD of which He gives to man.
Notice what is said after verse 6 in Psalm 82,
Psalm 82:8 Rise up, O elohiym, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.
This is speaking of the coming anointed one of the seed of Abraham, Jesse and David, and this seed is an elohiym, because the LORD has given him elohiym, He has anointed Him with His Spirit giving him of HIS POWERS, and by those he will as said in verse 8 above judge the earth.
Isaiah 42:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD— 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
NOTICE, 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
WHO WILL judge and rule the earth? The offspring of Jesse will! The Son of a Man (son of Abraham, Jesse, and David) who the LORD visited, anointing him with all the Powers of His Spirit.
Pslam 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Jesus is not the One True God, he is a man who received FROM the One True God making him to be a god, a ruler, our king of kings.
Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
Anthony, you need to come out of your false doctrine, as it presents you as a fool, having no knowledge or understanding to the Word of God that has been so clearly given to us.
Hi Jodi
Well it’s simple I believe that Jesus Christ pre-existed and you don’t.
The translators erred when they translated the word Elohim as God, and caused misunderstanding as to the preexistence of Yahshua.
Take notice of the following Scripture: Genesis 1:26, Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Man was made in the image and likeness of the Father and the Son. All Scripture harmonizes perfectly with all the other Scriptures when we apply the appropriate words and appropriate interpretation. All Scripture supports the fact that Yahshua was with His Father in the beginning and was with His Father for the Creation. He is the first born of creation.
God bless
To ALL,
I realized yesterday,
In the original text there is NO “only” at any instance that you see “only begotten Son” written in scripture, the word “only” has been ADDED in by the translators.
So below I have taken it out,
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the begotten Son of God.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Jesus was the only mortal WHO was given this calling spoken in Isaiah 45,
“I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.”
Jesus was the only mortal who had been begotten by God’s Spirit in fullness so that God would be able to DIRECT ALL of his ways.
But according to God’s promise, God is to be ALL in ALL, so that we too shall have God DIRECT ALL of our ways. Jesus is ABSOLUTELY NOT some “only begotten Son”, such would be a direct lie against God’s word, against His promises.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest..
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
One can rightfully say that Jesus was the only mortal to have been born of God Spirit in full measure a Son as being fully led by God’s Spirit, but he is NOT by any way possible God’s only begotten Son, as the Spirit itself bears witness with our Spirit that we too are children of God being heirs of God, joint heirs with Christ (the anointed of the Spirit in full measure, one who has all his ways directed by God). Paul had no such fullness, such was his desire.
Just as the MAN Jesus CAME by the foreknowledge of God,
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
We also COME by the foreknowledge of God,
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Jesus is a firstborn Son, not an “only begotten Son”.
Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Folks believe God’s word, He is to be ALL in ALL, we are Heirs OF God being a JOINT heir WITH Christ.
Jesus was born of God’s Spirit, God is ALL IN him through the giving of the full measure of God’s Spirit. God raised a man up in righteousness to DIRECTS ALL his ways (Isaiah 45), and when he became the firstborn of the dead he was completed in God’s image receiving eternal life. Such is the image of God’s Son, a man of eternal life with the fullness of God’s Spirit where God can thus DIRECT him in ALL ways, be ALL IN him. We are promised to be MADE in that SAME IMAGE, that he might be a firstborn of many brethren, and thus God being ALL in ALL.
Before God brought forth heaven and earth He foreknew Jesus of Nazareth who he would raise from the dead to be a firstborn of many brethren, such is how He also foreknew those very brethren that would be conformed to the image of His firstborn Son.
Psalm 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
and here we have God’s WORD, that God had kept WITH him revealed to the prophet David, becoming TRUE in the flesh of David’s son Jesus.
Anthony,
YOU:
The translators erred when they translated the word Elohim as God, and caused misunderstanding as to the preexistence of Yahshua.
Take notice of the following Scripture: Genesis 1:26, Then Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.” Man was made in the image and likeness of the Father and the Son. All Scripture harmonizes perfectly with all the other Scriptures when we apply the appropriate words and appropriate interpretation. All Scripture supports the fact that Yahshua was with His Father in the beginning and was with His Father for the Creation. He is the first born of creation.
ME: Anthony why do you persist on leaving out scores of passages that actually speak directly against your man made doctrine?
If you want harmony you are going to need to incorporate ALL scripture which you do not at all, not even close,
Why don’t YOU SPEAK of 2 Samuel 7, Psalm 2, 8, Isaiah 11, 42, 61, 45, Acts 2, 10, 13, 17, Luke 4, 1 John 3, Romans 8 to name a few??
Anthony there is One God, He has a NAME and He exists with Powers (elohyim) and He made all heaven and earth through His Hands, by His Elohiym – POWERS. He made it through His WISDOM. That Wisdom He GIVES to man, as we take it in, it becomes for us a Tree of Life (Proverbs 3).
Anthony JESUS WAS GIVEN this Wisdom, he was ANOINTED WITH it, so what you say is complete GARBAGE.
You absolutely DENY the anointed one, who is OF JESSE.
The prophecy says that the One True God GAVE a man of the offspring of Jesse, of His POWERS (Isaiah 11) , there is NO getting around that truth Anthony. Just like there is no getting around the fact that Jesus COMES FROM the fruit of David’s loins, that Jesus COMES from promises, of which you ignore.
Anthony, if you want to have any credibility you need to be able to discuss and answer to all scriptures, but you do not, you ignore them.
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