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T8……And I explained to you how you use words in a context wrongly applied, to a scripture to entrap those who know the correct sense that word should be applied to that scripture, even posting those words true meanings according to Strongs dictionary.
You need to try to take some of your own advise for a change, go make a real study of the word dia, and see how you have corrupted the scripture by misapplying it, you push to say GOD created everything “through”, (dia) Jesus instead of the more truer meaning ” as a channel or for the purpose of, or for the sake of or in view off”, which is the more truer sense of that scripture, just as Jodi, and I both have said. You falsely use that scripture to enforce your belife that Jesus prexisted his birth on this earth, as you also do other scriptures.
You do use your yes/no stragity to force you own belifs on people, and that has nothing to do with truth at all, but is a way to force deception, on your part, I realize you seem unable to understand that , but that does not make it not true.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi t8,
VERY simple,
YOU: The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
ME: The verse prior is speaking of the man who shed his blood, the man who was sitting at God’s right hand at the time Paul wrote Colossians, he was the man who God perfected having learned obedience, “he” is the image of the invisible God.
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through HIS blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 WHO is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
t8,
The Son in Colossians is speaking directly of the man who shed his blood, HE is the image of the invisible God.
Paul also tells us that WE are to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Your interpretation of Colossians 15 is thus EXPOSED as being COMPLETELY FALSE.
The Son is an heir of God and we are joint heirs with the Son. The Son is the image of the invisible God and we are to be made in the image of the Son, thus we are to become in the image of the invisible God.
Colossians 1:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
t8, you can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge the further CONTEXT that Paul gives you of verse 15 in the same chapter,
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
it is by him being firstborn of the dead that in ALL things he might have the preeminence,
proteu0, to be first, hold the first place
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
in him, the firstborn of the dead SHOULD all fullness dwell!!
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Hi t8,
YOU:
7. he is the beginning
8. and the firstborn from among the dead,ME:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence (first place).
he that is the beginning is such as it relates directly to him being firstborn of the dead, that in being firstborn of the dead he would be given first place, he would be given a portion with the great and divide the spoil with the strong.
REMEMBER t8,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; BECAUSE he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
2 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a MAN after mine own heart, which SHALL FULFILL ALL MY WILL. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Hi Gene
You said: T8 and Anthony , we do except the truth , just not your versions of it.
Me: Gene and Jodi let me remind you of that talk we had about ” Before Abraham” you two was trying to convince me that that meant after, at Abraham resurrection . Please your both are far from the truth.
God bless
Hi Anthony,
CAN you properly RESPOND to this post?
Anthony, is it true that Moses counted Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob living as according to a resurrection?
READ,
Luke 20: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living:Anthony, do you believe that the above and below passages are TRUE or not?
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Abraham has eternal life through a resurrection. RIGHT Anthony??
BEFORE Abraham WAS to be resurrected, Jesus had to die on the cross and be resurrected himself as firstborn of the dead. RIGHT Anthony??
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Jesus was speaking of the resurrection that Abraham saw! Right Anthony?
Then Jesus says, before Abraham was, I am.
Anthony, was Abraham glad because he saw the resurrection? ..because he saw his own salvation?.. because he saw his eternal life through his own seed?
answer,
Yes, Yes, and Yes!!
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham WAS, I am.
Don’t forget Anthony Abraham DIED, and BEFORE Abraham WAS to be resurrected, BECOMING incorruptible, MADE with eternal life, Jesus was made the source of that eternal salvation.
Was = Ginomai
to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
of events
to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
of men appearing in public
to be made, finished
of miracles, to be performed, wrought
to become, be madeBefore Abraham was…WAS WHAT?? What is the CONTEXT to the was? Anthony, you want to say the WAS represents before Abraham existed before he existed being born as a mortal of weak flesh, you want to just NEGLECT Jesus’s words that he gave just prior, it’s just so BLIND on your part.
YOU DENY the very fact not applying it at all that Jesus comes from the SEED, the GENESIS of Abraham. THEN you deny the fact that Jesus is firstborn of the dead, and will bring Abraham back to life, something that Abraham saw and rejoiced in, of which that FAITH that God would make such happen, accounted to him as his righteousness worthy to obtain that resurrection.
BEFORE Abraham received that which he saw and rejoiced over, which WAS his own resurrection, JESUS became that resurrection, Jesus is the firstborn of it, and God through him brings it.
Anthony, what I am saying is TRUE. Regardless if you think that John 8:58 means something else.
TRUTH,
Abraham saw the day of his own seed bringing that which God had promised his seed would bring, a promise made before the world even was, the resurrection of the dead, eternal life. Abraham rejoiced and was glad because it meant his own resurrection, it meant that God was not the God of the dead but of the living, living because as Jesus said,25.. “I AM the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
Abraham DIED believing, he rejoiced and was glad!! Though Abraham has DIED he will LIVE, but BEFORE Abraham WAS to LIVE AGAIN, Jesus can rightly say I AM.
TO ALL,
This is that which occurs time and time again on this forum.
Brother Gene and I apply what is given TRUTH to a passage according to the sum of God’s word, but we are being told that TRUTH is not to be applied to this scripture or that scripture, even when the very surrounding CONTEXT of this scripture or that scripture equates to the very TRUTH of which we speak.
we are being told that TRUTH is not to be applied to this scripture or that scripture, even when the very surrounding CONTEXT of this scripture or that scripture equates to the very TRUTH of which we speak.
I see.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
The context here doesn’t change the truth that he was the Christ even way back then.
Hi Gene,
Carmel…..Jesus just before that testing in the wilderness was “anointed with the holy spirit” and became a Son of God…
Hio Gene,
You deny much of the bible Gene over your private interpretations of Scripture:
”no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20)”The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)”fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 1:20)Does the bible say Jesus is God’s son because of his conception of the HolySpirit? “Yes” or “No”?
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God bless
Ed JHi Gene,
Carmel…..Jesus just before that testing in the wilderness was “anointed with the holy spirit” and became a Son of God…
Hio Gene,
You deny much of the bible Gene over your private interpretations of Scripture:
”no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20)”The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:35)”fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit” (Matt 1:20)Does the bible say Jesus is God’s son because of his conception of the HolySpirit? “Yes” or “No”?
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God bless
Ed JHi All,
Young’s Literal Translation
John 5:58 Jesus said to them, ‘Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham’s coming (1096)— I am;’Me: To be fair to Jodi, This certainly can be interpreted this way.
https://biblehub.com/greek/1096.htmJohn 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Me: Christ died, and so did Abraham. So this must be talking about after the resurrection of the Messiah.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Me: John 8:51 coincides with John 11:26. Those alive at the time of Christ said what he said in John 8 could very well have been alive after his resurrection and glorification. They probably were.
T8…..I explained how your yes/no bs, is a form of entrapment,
Gene, you just admitted that by you being completely honest and answering yes or no is entrapment. Guess what? It s only entrapment if you are lying or deceiving. If you are telling the truth, you cannot be trapped.
BOOM!
Hi T8,
I guess Gene won’t be answering my question, because it leads to his entrapment…
…how ridiculous is that! If what you say is true, why isn’t Jodi scared of being trapped?
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God bless
Ed JHi All,
But this does not mean that the Word of God as a spirit (a mind of the spirit) in the image of the mind of God did not pre-exits and that he became one with the “seed of David”. And it does not mean that when he presented himself as a Christophany he did not look like what he looked like here on earth.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the “God was the Word” (see link below). 2 The same was in the beginning WITH God…14 And the Word was made flesh (me: became one with flesh), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-1.htmA Mystery Solved
The Identity of Melchizedek
https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/who-is-god/a-mystery-solved-the-identity-of-melchizedekQuote: “Finally, the phrase “made like the Son of God” (“bearing the likeness of the Son of God,” REB) is further strong evidence of Melchizedek’s identity. He was “like” the Son of God because He was not yet, in actuality, the Son of God—that is, until He was later begotten by God the Father through the agency of the Holy Spirit”.
Me: Somebody as important as Melchizedek would have a genealogy—if he were a man. Notice, the appearance of Christ was know by Christopanies and dreams.
What does theophany mean? What is a Christophany?
https://www.compellingtruth.org/theophany-christophany.htmlMe: The Word was expressed in the OT as christophanies. Melchizedek was one of them. He looked exactly as the Messiah looked like here on earth. This is when he received a permanent body in this image (Heb 10:5).
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Me: “one like unto the son of man” is the son of God fully now.
Hi t8,
YOU:
I see.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
The context here doesn’t change the truth that he was the Christ even way back then.
ME: No, t8, what you are doing is ignoring the context the verse is suppose to be understood through. You are ignoring the truth that is given, you are fully ignoring prophecy and then the written word telling us the prophecies have been fulfilled.
t8, YOU won’t even bring yourself to read the below passages and give a proper response.
1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
2 Samuel 22:51 He is the tower of salvation for his king: and sheweth mercy to his anointed, unto David, and to his seed for evermore.
Psalm 18:50 Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will GIVE you the sure mercies of David.
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached BEFORE HIS COMING the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father THE PROMISE of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
t8, there is so much information given in these passages but you do not want to apply any of them to your understanding. You forbid to treat these passages as God’s collective word which is given so that you may know the truth.
David was anointed with God’s Spirit, God’s Spirit rested upon him. God promised that he would anoint David’s son, making him into His own Son, calling him to righteousness to be a covenant for Israel, even a light to the Gentiles, being a MAN ordained by God through the works of God’s Spirit to judge the quick and the dead.
You refuse to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was an actual MAN, a human who God anointed WITH His Spirit and ordained him, MADE him the anointed and a master, that God set His seal upon a man to be a savior and a master to judge the quick and the dead.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
t8, you refuse to admit that the scripture clearly states that John preached BEFORE his coming! You refuse to acknowledge that the Son that was SENT, the anointed that was SENT is according to Jesus’s own words in Luke 4 and what we are told in Acts 10, of which fulfills God’s prophetic word.
Your Christ is not according to God’s promises fulfilled, where a son of Jesse is ELECTED, is CALLED from among the people being anointed with God’s Spirit and sent out to fulfill all of God’s will through God holding his hand and keeping him from sin to be a covenant for all, as a lamb without spot or blemish.
You REFUSE to connect the angels words in Luke 2 directly to Acts 13, if you did you would clearly recognize the obvious truth, that the angel is declaring that the promise given to the fathers is being fulfilled in this child who is of the Genesis of David. The child that this same angel says, “shall be great”, “shall be called the Son of the highest”, “shall receive the throne of his father David“. You could not expose yourself to be more blind to God’s word.
To All,
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is CALLED of God, as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
The day Jesus was begotten of the Spirit, born again being called to righteousness being taken from among men being ORDAINED by God for men in things pertaining to God, was when he was called to be a high priest. This all occurred at the river Jordan upon Jesus being cleansed by baptism to fulfill all righteousness, having God’s Spirit descend upon him without measure to fulfill all of God’s will. Such was a promise God had made to David concerning his son.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Jesus was CALLED a high priest not to the order of the tribe of Levi, where priests died and then were replaced over and over. Jesus was a priest according to another order, one that is eternal, that would not have an end of days.
Hebrews 4:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
forerunner- Prodromos
a forerunner
esp. one who is sent before to take observations or act as a spy, a scout, a light armed soldier
one who comes in advance to a place where the rest are to followRomans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
HEIRS of the promise,
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
We are justified through Jesus The Anointed who was called as a high priest according to an eternal order, he was called to righteousness where God would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant, learning obedience he was made perfect becoming our source for eternal life. He learned obedience to God over the obedience to the flesh, where his flesh remained without spot or blemish. Such made him the high priest that God had planned since before the world was, a priest who would know our infirmities and thus could have compassion. A man who had been ordained, sealed, sanctified by God through God’s Spirit of righteousness, David’s son who had been predestined before the foundation of the world to fulfill all of God’s will and be made into our savior and a forerunner into being an eternal heir of God.
Hi TC,
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were DEAD, yet shall he live:
TC, Jesus died for all, all are to be resurrected, some are resurrected to eternal life where they will never taste death again, the second death has no power over them.
John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto DEATH, and I will give thee a crown of life.
TC clearly Jesus was speaking in verse 51 of the second death, otherwise you make Jesus into a liar.
Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Living according to a resurrection of the dead TC.
WHEN is that resurrection, when do people receive their crown of life?
When Jesus returns to earth is WHEN!
2 Timothy 4:8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day – and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
Hebrews 9:28 Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
1 Peter 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade – kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time…
..13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
1 Peter 5:4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.
1 John 2:28 And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming.
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Hi Carmel,
I was reading your replies a few pages back and want to follow up.
You said that God as man is taught in Isaiah 45, so I would like us to look at Isaiah 45 and also some of Isaiah’s other passages. Please respond by speaking specifically of these passages.
Isaiah 45,
14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God. 15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. 16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols. 17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
Now read Carmel how our One True God saves us, how it is Israel is saved escaping from the nations,
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
What was said prior by Isaiah,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
A man Carmel is called to righteousness, anointed to glorify not himself but the God who anointed him. Isaiah does not preach God as a man, he preaches of God being in a man, God resting His Spirit upon man calling a man chosen from among the people to righteousness. Because this man follows all of God’s will going to die to bear our iniquities, this MAN receives a portion among the great, and he is given dominion over the great to divide the portion that he receives from God.
Carmel Isaiah 45 says “God in thee” and it is clear by Isaiah’s other chapters that represents God being in man according to God resting or placing his Spirit upon man. This is NOT God becoming a man, this is God anointing a man, God making a man be born of God’s Spirit. We know of God through God using Jesus to perform God’s will.
When Jesus is sent out we don’t see the will of a man, we don’t hear the words of a man, we directly see through Jesus what the will of God is and hear what the word of God is, because Jesus is following God’s will doing and saying only what God wants him to do and say.
Carmel,
1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
The devil in this passage is acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God according to the powers he has upon being filled with the Holy Ghost. The slanderer is identifying Jesus as a MAN of weak mortal flesh who is hungry but has the power to make bread for himself. Jesus is being tempted to use the powers God gave him for his own will, to serve his own flesh. Jesus replies by saying, “it is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
They received manna but they were given commandments in gathering it, they were to live by God’s commandments, by His word, not by the manna. Some broke the commandment and died because of it.
Carmel, do you realize that Jesus is also a MAN who was to be humbled, who was tested, where he too was to live by the word of God and not according to the needs of the flesh?
Carmel, do you realize what the MAN Jesus teaches us by his acts of faithfulness? The MAN Jesus had been FILLED with God’s Spirit when he was then LED by that Spirit into the wilderness, he was able to overcome his weak flesh through God’s Spirit leading him.
Paul desired to be led in this manner by God’s Spirit, it was his hope to receive such fullness of God’s Spirit where he would also be kept from sin. Paul teaches that as long as we mortify the deeds of the flesh and know that through the example of the man Jesus The Anointed, that it takes God’s Spirit upon us to be made righteous, we shall live, we shall be an heir of God, a joint heir with Christ, being an heir of God’s Spirit that works righteousness.
As Paul says, those that are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God, Jesus had walked into the wilderness being LED by God’s Spirit, as he had been filled with the Holy Spirit at the Jordan. That fullness is how God was able to speak to the prophet Isaiah and say to him that His anointed would not fail, would not be discouraged, as it was a calling of a man to righteousness where God would hold his hand and keep him, which he certainly did when Jesus was in the wilderness. Which God certainly did also when God commanded the man Jesus to go to the cross and die for our sins.
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