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Jodi,
You: Jesus, born of a woman born under the law, says after his baptism that God SENT him, Jesus, a man of the earth, did not send himself out into the world. He himself did not come down from heaven, him being SENT out into the world came directly FROM heaven a command Jesus was following.
Me: The Word of God was sent from heaven and became one with the flesh of the Man Jesus. The spirit mind of the Messiah is the Word or image of God. The human mind of the Messiah is from the seed of David. Together they constitute one mind.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: The Word of God was sent from heaven and became one with the flesh of the Man Jesus. The spirit mind of the Messiah is the Word or image of God. The human mind of the Messiah is from the seed of David. Together they constitute one mind.
Jodi,
You: Jesus, born of a woman born under the law, says after his baptism that God SENT him, Jesus, a man of the earth, did not send himself out into the world. He himself did not come down from heaven, him being SENT out into the world came directly FROM heaven a command Jesus was following.
Me:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: The Word of God was sent from heaven and became one with the flesh of the Man Jesus. The spirit mind of the Messiah is the Word or image of God. The human mind of the Messiah is from the seed of David. Together they constitute one mind.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jodi,
You still have avoided these questions. Once more:
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Me: Please answer the following which I have asked you before. So I am assuming, you being a good Christian as you are, must have forgot.
Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy CHILD shall be called the Son of God.
Me: Jodi, explain to me how the Messiah is called the holy child in Luke 1:35 without the spirit of God in him.
Luke 2:39 And the CHILD grew, and WAXED STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: 40 and the “grace of God was upon him”. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 AND ALLL THAT HEARD HIM WAS ASTONISHED at his UNDERSTANDING AND ANWSERS 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
Me: Jodi, explain to me how the child at twelve years old grew in the spirit if he did not have the holy spirit until Jordan. Explain to me how he went about doing his Father’s business if God was not his father until Jordan. Explain to me how he had astonished those that heard him if the spirit of God was not speaking through him.
Notice in verse 40 that “grace of God was UPON HIM“. This corresponds to the Spirit of God was upon the Messiah in Luke 3:22 and Isaiah 11:2.
1 Sam 19:23 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in RamahMe: Does this mean that Samuel did not have the spirit of God in him until then? NO, it means that God gave him an extra measure of the spirit and guide his walk. Neither did Jesus not have the spirit of God in him until Jordon.
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Jodi, please explain to me why the spirit of God was in Samuel before the spirit of God was upon him and that the spirit of God was not in Christ until the spirit of God was upon him at Jordan.Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: How can God be pleased with his son if he just became his son at Jordon? I believe his father was pleased with him up to that point.
Please answer all the scripture below. What does this mean to you?John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth…8 He (John the Baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that COMETH INTO THE WORLD.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Me: The Messiah is the express or exact image of the mind of his Father and therefore is God. He was always that exact image from before the foundation of the World and is always was called the Word of God. He had bonded with the human spiritual seed or of David. This seed grew in its bond with the Word and was completely bonded at the at the glorification with his Father in heaven.
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Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Me: The Word of God became one with flesh and was resurrected with a spiritual body.
Hi All,
1 Tim 1:4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS;
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Eph 5:11 Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.Me: My mission here is not to have fellowship with you and Gene together with the seducing spirits but to expose you heresy.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus (salvation) Christ (anointed) is come in ______ flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in ___flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
John 1:14 And the Word was made (me: came into) flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Me: This is the litmus test. I may disagree with T8, Anthony, and Ed j on some of the particularities of doctrine, but not here.
TC……Wrong again, if the two of them composed “one mind” as you say, then why didn’t they have only “one” will? Jesus’ mind “and “will”, was and is not the “mind” and “will” of God, that is according to Jesus, or haven’t you read “not my will but “thy” will be done. You are going around jamming scriptures together without thinking enough about them. IMO
It’s you and your followers, “if any”, that are out of control, not us. It is you who is going around constantly “revising” what you say, we say the exact same thing over and over, we don’t need to constantly “revise” what we say, because the truth of God dosen’t need to change.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi TC,
1 Cor 15:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.1 Cor 15:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
In remembrance of ME, the Son of Man who had God’s Spirit rest upon him a calling to righteousness where God would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant even a light for the Gentiles.
In remembrance of ME, the Son of Man who was made perfect upon his body being battered and shedding his blood dying on the cross, fulfilling the covenant becoming our source for eternal life.
Hi TC,
YOU: Christ was the express image of the mind of God with his humanity in it. He shed his blood for us that we could be baptized in his death and resurrected to a new life.
ME: God rested His Spirit upon the offspring of Jesse, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD. It was a CALLING to righteousness, where this Son of Man would follow God’s will and not his own, where this Son of Man would speak God’s words, not his own, where this Son of Man would perform signs and miracles as a messenger FOR His God and my God, so that all would come to believe in His God and my God.
Yes through Jesus we see the mind of God, as Jesus performed God’s will and spoke God’s words for God. Jesus was elected from the people, having God’s Spirit lead him, to do just that.
Jesus was this Son of Man the offspring of Jesse, and people being a witness to the fulfillment of God’s word to Isaiah in Jesus, it worked faith in them to believe in the additional promises God had also made to the prophets. Through Jesus we know that God’s WORD his promises are TRUE.
TC the definition of humanity is, “the entire human race or the characteristics that belong uniquely to human beings, such as kindness, mercy and sympathy.”
THOSE come from God’s Spirit working in our spirit, in our heart and minds. Only God is good and not one letter of the law can be sincerely kept unless God’s Spirit is in you to the measure that it can be kept.
If you are of a kind spirit, or a patient spirit, or a humble spirit, or a generous spirit, or an honest spirit, you have received a gift of God’s Spirit. God knows each of us before we ever come to know him. Some have died having received some measure without ever knowing him, for the sake of God’s mercy that He has on our world. Any civility a man, or a tribe or a nation has comes through God’s mercy.
HI TC,
You: The Word of God was sent from heaven and became one with the flesh of the Man Jesus. The spirit mind of the Messiah is the Word or image of God. The human mind of the Messiah is from the seed of David. Together they constitute one mind.
ME: The Spirit of God descended like a dove from heaven upon Jesus, fulfilling God’s word spoken by the prophets. God’s word of an anointing from Isaiah became true in the flesh of Jesus and Jesus was sent out not following his own will of his own mind, he was following God’s instruction,
“The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
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“I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”
The human mind of Jesus was being taught by the Spirit of God. What Jesus was being taught was for the purpose to fulfill God’s will. Jesus and God are ONE because Jesus is led by the Spirit following God’s will without failing.
The human mind of Jesus was subjected to temptation because it was mortal.
The human mind of Jesus was set free from temptation upon his resurrection having received eternal life.
Paul received of the Spirit of God to be an apostle, and he lived in faith that he too would be set free from temptation, receiving eternal life.
The mind of Christ represents the mind of a man anointed being led by the Spirit of God so that he can walk perfectly in his ways. No mortal was or is promised to be led to walk perfectly in God’s ways as a mortal, except for Jesus, he was the only one who as a mortal was begotten by God. If we believe that Jesus is the Son of God unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature of the fullness of Christ, we too shall be made perfect, it occurs the same moment we receive eternal life.
TC, we are heirs of God joint heirs with Christ, so that God can be ALL in each one of us, ALL in ALL.
Hi TC,
I haven’t avoided your questions, they have gone unanswered yes, but not for the sake I am trying to avoid them.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy CHILD shall be called the Son of God.
YOU: Jodi, explain to me how the Messiah is called the holy child in Luke 1:35 without the spirit of God in him.
ME:
The word holy in the OT is Qodesh,
apartness, holiness, sacredness, separateness apartness, sacredness, holiness of God
of places
of things
set-apartness, separatenessthe word holy in NT is Hagios, where it is used referring to the child Jesus, here are some other examples,
Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Mark 6:20 for Herod was fearing John, knowing him a man righteous and holy, and was keeping watch over him, and having heard him, was doing many things, and hearing him gladly.
1 Thess 5:27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
The infant Jesus is rightfully called a holy child, he is set apart, God didn’t determine after his birth to anoint him, such had been determined before the world was even made. Jesus was that child of prophecy, his birth itself was set apart from any other birth having been born of a virgin.
Luke 2:39 And the CHILD grew, and WAXED STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: 40 and the “grace of God was upon him”. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 AND ALLL THAT HEARD HIM WAS ASTONISHED at his UNDERSTANDING AND ANWSERS 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
YOU: Jodi, explain to me how the child at twelve years old grew in the spirit if he did not have the holy spirit until Jordan. Explain to me how he went about doing his Father’s business if God was not his father until Jordan. Explain to me how he had astonished those that heard him if the spirit of God was not speaking through him.
Notice in verse 40 that “grace of God was UPON HIM“. This corresponds to the Spirit of God was upon the Messiah in Luke 3:22 and Isaiah 11:2.
ME: TC I have never said that Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit before the Jordan. John had the Holy Spirit, Paul had the Holy Spirit, Moses had the Holy Spirit, king David as a CHILD had the Holy Spirit. This is not the same as being BORN of the Spirit, this is not the same as being anointed with the Holy Spirit of God without measure and POWER. This is not the same as being fully led by the Spirit of God to perform God’s will and deny any will of your own.
If it was God’s will for Jesus to stay behind and he was filled with the Spirit he would have TOLD his parents where he was going, instead of causing them SORROW. You would think he would have the wisdom to foresee that his parents would have wondered where he was and that they would become worried. You would have thought he would have foreseen that they might come looking for him and what a major inconvenience it would be to have to go back when you are traveling, they found him but not after looking for 3 days. He didn’t foresee any of this because he had a mind of a 12 year old boy and he was following his own will.
Honor your father and mother, sure doesn’t sound like the 12 year old Jesus did so in this particular instance.
51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was SUBJECT unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.JESUS was not subject to God yet, he was subjected to his parents. He did not become subjected to God following God’s will and not that of his parents until he was anointed at the river.
For full clarity the word SUBJECT is Hupotasso which means,
to arrange under, to subordinate
to subject, put in subjection
to subject one’s self, obey
to submit to one’s control
to yield to one’s admonition or advice
to obey, be subjectTC Christ means anointed, and Jesus declared himself to have been anointed AFTER the Spirit descended upon him like a dove and he returned from the wilderness. EVEN more, you are told that AFTER the baptism John preached how Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Power sent out to do good. Even more you are told that HIS COMING came AFTER the baptism that John preached (Acts 13:24)
The coming of the Messiah came after Jesus had been tempted in the wilderness. Think about that TC, the Spirit descends upon Jesus like a dove and the first thing is for him to go into the wilderness where God wants him to go without food for 40 days and nights. WHY?
WHY do you make his anointing that he speaks of and is spoken of elsewhere which is said directly to be well after he was born, seem of such a little consequence, and speak as if his birth is more significant, mind you some of the gospels don’t even bother to speak of his birth, but they all surely speak of when the Spirit descended like a dove and God said, “THIS is my beloved Son”.
Don’t get me wrong, his birth is significant, as the angels says of the child, “32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:”
NOW WHEN did he BECOME GREAT?
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
YOU: Does this mean that Samuel did not have the spirit of God in him until then? NO, it means that God gave him an extra measure of the spirit and guide his walk. Neither did Jesus not have the spirit of God in him until Jordon.
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Jodi, please explain to me why the spirit of God was in Samuel before the spirit of God was upon him and that the spirit of God was not in Christ until the spirit of God was upon him at Jordan.Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
How can God be pleased with his son if he just became his son at Jordan? I believe his father was pleased with him up to that point.
Please answer all the scripture below. What does this mean to you?ME: As stated above of which you also agree. Jesus did have the Spirit before the Jordan, and it was according to similar measures as others who have received the Spirit had received, totally different from actually being BORN of God’s Spirit being full of grace and truth, being called to righteousness to be a covenant.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the POWER and COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good,
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
God is pleased, His soul delighteth because he knows EXACTLY what His ELECTED from out of the people will do.
TC God was delighted with His Son before the world was, He created the world through that delight, the Son of Man of the offspring of David, called to righteousness who would fulfill all His will, of course he is delighted and well pleased.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Hi TC,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth…8 He (John the Baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that COMETH INTO THE WORLD.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
YOU:: The Messiah is the express or exact image of the mind of his Father and therefore is God. He was always that exact image from before the foundation of the World and is always was called the Word of God. He had bonded with the human spiritual seed or of David. This seed grew in its bond with the Word and was completely bonded at the at the glorification with his Father in heaven.
ME: The WORD of God in the beginning was eternal life, and IN that WORD was the Son of Man, David’s offspring who would fulfill all of God’s will, a Son of Man who was to be MADE perfect, BECOMING our source for eternal life. The WORD of God was calling a man, the offspring of Jesse to righteousness, that WORD became true in the flesh in Jesus of Nazareth who was anointed with the Holy Spirit and POWER, AFTER the baptism John preached.
The LIGHT, was a LIGHT even to the Gentiles, a man who God had created giving the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein, who God then CALLED to righteousness to be a LIGHT.
You fail to apply SO MANY scriptures.
Jesus the Christ was not SENT out into the WORLD until he had been baptized. Jesus TELLS you DIRECTLY when he was sent, you are directly told when it was that he had COME, beginning in Galilee, and Jesus after that said, the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost, as it was the Son of Abraham, Jesse, and David who God promise would COME to be our savior.
Good grief do you just not apply anything???????
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Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
YOU: The Word of God became one with flesh and was resurrected with a spiritual body.
ME: The him is the Son of Man, anointed fully with God’s Spirit at the river Jordan filled with grace and truth. The “him” had declared he could do nothing of himself, only by God and receiving His Spirit could he perform signs and wonders and do good deeds.
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
The offspring of Jesse was CALLED to righteousness and he would not judge by his own eyes and ears and he would not speak by his own words, he would speak God’s word and he would fulfill God’s word for God.
Such is why he is called the WORD of God, he speaks it FOR God, and he fulfills it FOR God.
The one dipped in blood does this, the one who died on the cross, first having been CALLED to righteousness, with the Spirit resting upon him, and anointing where he would preach AND fulfill that which he preached.
The WORD of God BECAME TRUE IN the flesh of Jesus, of which that word was that his flesh would not see decay but eternal life. He received a spiritual body, which is still of FLESH and BONES, it is spiritual because it can no longer be tempted, it can no longer suffer, it can no longer die.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
His resurrection is MY resurrection. He is an heir of God and I will be an heir of God, a joint heir with Christ.
EDJ…..Let me paraphrase that for you seening you are dull of hearing and understanding.
Jesus was simply saying, he was the one given by GOD who is in heaven above…
Hi Gene,
That’s not what the verse says, it instead says…
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Hi Jodi,
You have more explaining to do, because John 6:51 appears to disagree with your view of truth…
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
ME: Ed J, the living bread Jesus says is his FLESH, nothing to do with pre-existence, and everything to do with God anointing a man according to Isaiah and David.
Hi Jody,
You are explaining the Second part of the verse, here is the part I want you to explain…
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven:
You both need to focus and answer the questions I ask, instead of inventing your own questions to answer
Edj…..That what you people do, you take a few words out of a complete sentence and try to make a false teaching out of them. You must apply the complete sentence and it’s proper “context” to understand the truth. Yes Jesus came from above, his whole existence was from above, the same applies to us, we all were from above, that’s where God lives, “our father which art “in” heaven”. DID NOT God the Father create us all? That scripture has nothing to do with a preexisting being comming down and “morphed” into a human being on this earth. Is that not really what you are implying?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Some highlights from John 17 to apply to scriptures elsewhere,
Jesus said, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world”
Jesus said, “As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world”
Jesus said, “For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.”
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath ANOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God GIVETH not the Spirit by MEASURE unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,unto a perfect man, unto the MEASURE of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
VERY CLEAR with God’s word applied to God’s word,
Jesus of Nazareth had the Spirit upon him, it was an anointing, it occurred AFTER the baptism John preached, that anointing of the Spirit was so that he could be SENT out able to preach God’s word and fulfill God’s word. He was able to speak God’s word because he received the Spirit without measure, and that is who the Son of God is said to be. Jesus is David’s son who is God’s Son according to the Spirit, being born of the Spirit. The Son of God, is a perfect man by the measure of the stature of the fullness of being made Chrio (to anoint) thus becoming the Christos (The Anointed).
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
You are explaining the Second part of the verse, here is the part I want you to explain…
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven:
ME: Ed J, I do not think we will be able to continue discussing scripture. Explaining part of a passage without discussing the rest of the passage is absolutely ludicrous, you are not interested in truth at all. You have absolutely no concept of how it is one is to establish the truth of God’s word.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
The living bread is his FLESH, if you do not know the second part of the verse you won’t know what the living bread is, it is his flesh.
living bread = flesh
that Flesh is given to give life
that flesh to give life must be made perfect in order to become a source for eternal salvation.
It is by God that flesh is MADE perfect
God had anointed that flesh and sent it out, it was SENT by God, it came from heaven directly from the will of God.
That anointed flesh would speak God’s words, perform signs and miracles, and for doing so that flesh would be persecuted, but by obedience to God, a lamb following His Shepherd, through his suffering in that persecution, the flesh was perfected.
The anointed flesh, our living bread, came down from heaven, it came by the direct will of God and was SENT out into the world.
What did Jesus say prior in the same chapter, where he instead used meat rather than bread to symbolize his flesh,
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, for so much as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is COME to seek and to save that which was lost.
Where did this Son of Man come from, the world, from his own will?
NO!!
The Son of Man, the ANOINTED FLESH came FROM HEAVEN, he came DIRECTLY FROM GOD, God sent him, He sent him out to fulfill ALL HIS will.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Jesus received the Spirit without measure, by that Spirit and with that measure he speaks the WORD of God, WITH that Spirit in him he is THEN SENT out, having been SENT from heaven, FROM GOD, as a Son of God, a Son of God is one who is fully led by God’s Spirit.
Gene,
You: It’s you and your followers, “if any”, that are out of control, not us. It is you who is going around constantly “revising” what you say, we say the exact same thing over and over, we don’t need to constantly “revise” what we say, because the truth of God dosen’t need to change.
Me: We revise because we grow when new revelation is revealed to us. We conform to the new revelation. We are willing to change. You do not. You are proud and arrogant. You do not admit your mistakes. So you do not grow. One cannot receive all the revelation of God at once. It is as simple as that. You come here not to learn from each other but to push your agenda. You are proud and arrogant.
James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Prov 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Hi Jodi,
You: TC the definition of humanity is, “the entire human race or the characteristics that belong uniquely to human beings, such as kindness, mercy and sympathy.”
Me: No such thing. I had written that sin and death was passed on to us by the male chromosomes, not the female. That Christ was the seed of the woman through Mary and that the seed of the male was made by God outside of heredity. I justified this by quoting the following:
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed (Me: the Messiah); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Me: The woman prophetically represents the church and the seed is Christ.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Me: The physical lineage would come through the genes of a woman, his mother Mary. God would provide the male genes, not from any male passed down from Adam’s lineage where ALL men have sinned (Romans 5:12). This would include Christ if he was made exactly of the flesh like ours, but he wasn’t. He was made a little lower than angels. We were never made al little lower than angels in the flesh.
Luke 3:8 for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man (444) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men (444), (eph ho:whereby) all have sinned:
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/romans/5-12.htm
444 anthrópos
2. indefinitely, without the article, ἄνθρωπος, a. someone, a (certain) man, when who he is either is not known or is not important: equivalent to τίς, Matthew 17:14; Matthew 21:28; Matthew 22:11; Mark 12:1; Mark 14:13; Luke 5:18; Luke 13:19, etc. with the addition of τίς, Matthew 18:12; Luke 10:30; Luke 14:2, 16; Luke 15:11; Luke 16:1, 19; John 5:5. in address, where the speaker either cannot or will not give the name, Luke 5:20; or where the writer addresses any and every reader, Romans 2:1, 3.
One definition is a certain man. Another is mankind. Here it is Adam.New American Standard Bible
1 Cor 15:21 For since by a man (444) came death, by a man (444) also came the resurrection of the dead.Me: Man can mean a specific man, mankind, or men. 1 Cor 15:23 is not speaking about mankind (444) but two specific men (444). Death was passed on to all men (not woman) by which we sin. Death is the opposite of life. Death causes sin, life causes righteousness. The genes of the man and the genes of the woman are in both man and woman. But death is passed on to all by men.
Hi Jodi,
You:
1. the definition of humanity is, “the entire human race or the characteristics that belong uniquely to human beings, such as kindness, mercy and sympathy.”
2. THOSE come from God’s Spirit working in our spirit, in our heart and minds.Me: This doesn’t make sense even from a secular standpoint. One and two contradict each other. How can the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE have kindness, mercy, sympathy, love without the spirit of God in them you mention in two.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 19 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Me: These are the mainstay of humanity.
You: Only God is good and not one letter of the law can be sincerely kept unless God’s Spirit is in you to the measure that it can be kept.
Me: So what is this measure? Do we become good at this point. Or are we still considered evil for you say only God is Good.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH OR SPOT:
Me: Christ kept the law perfectly through love.
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore LOVE IS THE FULLEFILLING OF THE LAW.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
1 John 4:8…for God is love
Me: God is good because he has infinite love. We become good because we inherit this nature. Christ was good because he had the exact image of God or the Word as his spirit mind.
Hi Jodi,
Me:
New International Version1 Thes 5:27 I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers and sisters.
https://biblehub.com/1_thessalonians/5-27.htmMe: Click on the link above. There is no “holy” in the Greek text. You paste things for support where it doesn’t have support. You need to research more thoroughly, not just ramble on with a whole bunch of words from the top of your head.
You quoted me:
Luke 2:39 And the CHILD grew, and WAXED STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: 40 and the “grace of God was upon him”. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 AND ALLL THAT HEARD HIM WAS ASTONISHED at his UNDERSTANDING AND ANWSERS 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
Jodi, explain to me how the child at twelve years old grew in the spirit if he did not have the holy spirit until Jordan. Explain to me how he went about doing his Father’s business if God was not his father until Jordan. Explain to me how he had astonished those that heard him if the spirit of God was not speaking through him.
Notice in verse 40 that “grace of God was UPON HIM“. This corresponds to the Spirit of God was upon the Messiah in Luke 3:22 and Isaiah 11:2.You: TC I have never said that Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit before the Jordan. John had the Holy Spirit,
Me: This is a big lie. You, on many, many occasions said that the Messiah was just an ordinary man until Jordan when he had received the holy spirit.
You: Paul had the Holy Spirit, Moses had the Holy Spirit, king David as a CHILD had the Holy Spirit. This is not the same as being BORN of the Spirit,
Me: Oh but it is.
1 Cor 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Me: These Corinthians were born of the spirit. But they were still immature and had not grown measurable in their bond with the holy spirit. This is like you and Gene belittling posters on this forum. I too retaliate. This is carnality which must be overcome. Born of the spirit is not to be confused with born again“. “Born again” is the finished product. “Born of the spirit” is the start. Anointed of the spirit with power is in between.
You: this is not the same as being anointed with the Holy Spirit of God without measure and POWER. This is not the same as being fully led by the Spirit of God to perform God’s will and deny any will of your own.
Me: TRUE: We are all anointed with the holy spirit when we are born of it. We are anointed to become sons of God. We are anointed to become kings and priests, God can anoint us with power later on to do a special mission. This is when God’s spirit is in us with POWER. This is when God’s spirit is UPON US. He will GUIDE OUR STEPS. Even Satan knew this.
Matt 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
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