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Jodi is not my teacher, we agree because we both have the spirit of truth guiding us.
Your statement doesn’t add up Gene. For example, you absolutely do not agree with this. You will deny it when I say it, but say nothing when pointed to the scripture.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
And what does scripture say about people who deny that Jesus is the Christ?
Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
Gene, Jodi, and Nick deny that Jesus is the Christ. It is written that Jesus was the Christ in the City of David. Yet these three deny that he was the Christ even though it is clearly Jesus being spoken of. Nick even has a rule. If it says Jesus, it is just the man, and ordinary man like him. But if it says Jesus Christ, then it is the messiah. So Jesus is not the messiah and Jesus Christ is the messiah. But take a closer look at the above scripture because it condemns Nick and I think Gene and Jodi believe as he does, so they too are condemned by the scripture. Here is where they are condemened.
Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist…
Next, we see that antichrists will deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. What is interesting about that is Nick teaches that Jesus is the flesh, so the Christ came into Jesus is when Jesus became the Christ. Gene and Jodi teach this as well. But there is a problem here too because it doesn’t say that Christ came in the flesh, but that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Now let’s look at Gene’s claim again. He said:
Jodi is not my teacher, we agree because we both have the spirit of truth guiding us.
Honestly, you have to seriously challenge that statement. And I say the following in love guys. You need to check your doctrine.
Pay close attention to your life and to your teaching.
T8…..You are “lying”, I, Jodi, nor Nick, have ever denied Jesus was anointed and thereby became the Christ of God, you and others here do not acknowledge him as receiving his anointing of the “Holy Spirit” at the Jordan River, and thereby becoming the Christ of God. But you are right, we do believe Jesus became Christ by “THE ANOINTING Spirit of God that came on him when he was anointed at the Jordan river, not before, as you people falsely believe.
You saying we don’t believe Jesus was the “anointed” one of God, is a lie. You also deny him as comming into his “only” existence as a flesh human being, you deny he “is” the root and offspring of King David, how, by saying he existed before he came into his existence on this earth. You people believe Jesus was “morphed” into a human from another existence, which is a complete and total lie. Not a single scripture says that.
As far as antichrist goes, you and others here are the ones denying Jesus came into his “only” existence in the flesh, you do not believe the “man” Jesus came in the flesh, you believe a preexisting being of somekind came into a flesh body. So it is you that deny the “flesh” man “Jesus” Came as a flesh human, not us.
That is what a ANTICHRIST IS. it is those who deny Jesus as a fleshand blood human being. The Jesus you believe in is a “morphed” being , the Jesus we believe in, is a “real” flesh human being, who came into his “only” existence, exactly as we do. We also believe he is still a Son of man, as well as a son of God, Just as we are.
T8 you are against Jesus’ anointing taking place , but scripture shows clearly he was anounted as a full grown human being, at the Jordan River. So to say we don’t believe the “man” Jesus was anointed by God, “is” simply a lie.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
HI ALL,
Colossians 1:16 (YLT) because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and FOR him, have been created,
YOU SEE that?? “FOR” him, not for himself. Someone else created all things and the created it FOR him.
and who is the “him” that Paul is speaking of??
14 in WHOM we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,
Paul is speaking of the MAN who shed his blood on the cross.
When Paul spoke these words, Jesus at that moment was the firstborn overall creation, and Paul could not wait to join him in that creation, what he later in this same chapter says is a new beginning. The creation where God is ALL in ALL, not the creation where man is separated from God.
WHO is the “him”, it is the LAST Adam, which represents a type of man made perfect by the works of God’s Spirit, a human who had been tested proving that he walks God’s path without missing a mark.
Jesus didn’t create all things, he is the man elected to receive dominion over all things that YHWH created.
Psalms 8:1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
You are directly told Jesus didn’t create the earth. You are directly told that a man RECEIVES authority to rule over that which someone else created.
Hello All,
What does it mean that a man was MADE a little lower than the angels?
WHAT did God’s angels do?
They were SENT to fulfill God’s will and they had God’s powers to accomplish His will.
You can say that a pre-existing non flesh one of a kind Son of God was SENT to earth all you want, but such is not written in scripture. SUCH GOES directly against scripture.
WHAT is DIRECTLY SPOKEN to you is,
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath ANOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; HE HATH SENT ME to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
At the river Jordan Jesus was MADE a little lower than the angels, he had received power from the Spirit and he was sent out to perform God’s will where God would not allow him to fail, he would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant even for a LIGHT to the Gentiles.
You are speaking a straight forward lie, if you say the begotten of God turns into a human.
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
A human is born of God’s Spirit, where that receiving of the Spirit is a call to righteousness, where the human will walk with God and never go astray.
Psalms 2 matches perfectly with Psalms 8,
It is a man who God visits, it is a man who is begotten by God, it is a man who receives dominion over all the earth.
To ALL,
The below shows YET again that Jesus didn’t pre-exist, that he didn’t create heaven and earth. This passage shows you that YHWH created it so that man could SEEK Him and find Him. God created heaven and earth for the purpose of becoming ALL in ALL.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
THERE is no such thing as a pre-existing Jesus, there is a Jesus who is a MAN who God ORDAINED. There is a man who has God’s Spirit rest upon him being called to righteousness.
To ALL,
To say that our lord the Christ came down to earth and was made into a human, is a direct lie. Scripture tells you directly that Jesus identified as a man of the offspring of David, was MADE into a master and into the Christ.
Jesus was MADE a master and the anointed one.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
NOTICE, such is for the house of Israel to KNOW, and that is because it is the fulfillment of God’s promise to them, which concerned one of their own people who had been promised to come.
Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
The one SENT is the Son of man, the son of David who had been promised to be made into God’s Son, promised to be made a little lower than the angels, and he would save his own lost brothers and sisters. He had come to his own but many of his own did reject him.
To ALL,
Here is another passage that shows it is nothing but a straight forward lie to say that the Christ existed before the man Jesus.
Christ below is recognized as a man of flesh having been anointed, Christ does not represent an anointed one existing and then becoming made in the flesh.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Christ was raised up from the DEAD, this is because Christ was a man of the loins of David who had been anointed with God’s Spirit.
Christ here equates to ANOINTED FLESH, flesh of the fruit of David’s loins begotten of God’s Spirit.
Christ pre-existed as a non flesh one of a kind Son of God who is great as he made the world, that is why Christ sits on David’s throne? NO! Oh, he sits on David’s throne because as a non flesh one of a kind Son of God he came down to earth to be a man in order to die for us? NO!!
Christ sits on David’s throne because,
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son…16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. 17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Christ sits on David’s throne because Christ is a man who followed God’s will, he was able to do that because he was anointed, the Spirit rested upon him and it was a calling to righteousness.
READ it!! Acts tells you there was NO CHRIST before John began preaching the baptism of repentance. “BEFORE his COMING”, CHRIST had NOT come YET. Christ CAME when John baptized Jesus in order to fulfill all righteousness. WHEN the Spirit descended upon Jesus, Jesus was called to righteousness, he was of the seed of David made into God’s Son, why God declares at that moment, “THIS is my beloved Son“, the Spirit was upon him, it was an anointing for him to be SENT out into the world to fulfill God’s will.
Jodi….They are simply a bunch of blind bats , having been duped by fallen christanity “liars” and false teachers, who haven’t a shed of real truth in them. They are all together useless, for teaching the truth of God, and our lord and brother, the “man” Jesus “Christ”. We have born witness of the “true” Jesus unto them , and they do not except it, because there is “no” truth “in” them. IMO.
Jodi, you have done a excellent job of showing the scriptures in great detail, and they are so ignorant, they can’t even intelligently respond to them, they just ignore what we say and go about trotting there same old garbage as If they knew what they are talking about. They couldn’t be more blind if they even tried to be. Those who have the truth know the sound of the truth when they hear it. “MAY God bless you and keep you, may he make his face to shine on you and be gracious unto you, may he lift up his countinounce upon you and give you peace”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
To All,
Jesus is not Christ because he pre-existed as another creature who God had made who was The Anointed. To say such is to speak a lie, or to be fully ignorant, or to be just absolutely delusional.
The words used in scripture for anointed or to anoint (Mashiyach, Mashach, Christos, Chrio) pertain to HUMANS being consecrated by God.
There is only one man “CHOSEN from among the people” who was set a part/consecrated being given God’s Spirit without measure, there is only one man who was called to righteousness to be a covenant. There is only one man who was dedicated before time even began to be made perfect becoming our source for eternal life
Old Testament Mashiyach –anointed, anointed one
this word is used 39 times in the OT,
Old Testament Mashach -o smear, anoint, spread a liquid
(Qal)
to smear
to anoint (as consecration)
to anoint, consecrate
(Niphal) to be anointedthis word is used 69 times
New Testament Christos Christ = “anointed”
New Testament Chrio to anoint
consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with the necessary powers for its administration
enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy SpiritOld Testament Qadash
to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
this word is used 172 times,
sanctify 108, hallow 25, dedicate 10, holy 7, prepare 7, consecrate 5,…
NOW READ so all of you can stop speaking LIES about God’s Anointed One,
Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Psalms 89: 2 For I have said, Mercy shall be built up for ever: thy faithfulness shalt thou establish in the very heavens. 3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah. 5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints. 6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? 7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him. 8 O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee? 9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. 10 Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. 11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them. 12 The north and the south thou hast created them: Tabor and Hermon shall rejoice in thy name. 13 Thou hast a mighty arm: strong is thy hand, and high is thy right hand. 14 Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face. 15 Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance. 16 In thy name shall they rejoice all the day: and in thy righteousness shall they be exalted. 17 For thou art the glory of their strength: and in thy favour our horn shall be exalted. 18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king. 19 Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. 20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
This passage is yet another that proves Jesus didn’t pre-exist and create heaven and earth.
This passage speaks of the Messiah to come, and he is NOT coming from pre-existing but from the offspring of David.
The Anointed One, is CHOSEN out of the people. God elects a human of the seed of David and consecrates him, makes him holy. The Son of God is one chosen out of the people.
Compare Psalm 89 to Isaiah’s prophecies in 11, 42, and 61
One elected, chosen from the people who God had made giving the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein, the Spirit rests upon him, it is an anointing a consecrating, the Spirit of Knowledge and fear of the LORD is upon him, it is a calling to righteousness, where God will hold his hand and keep him for a covenant. “my mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him”
The CHRIST is one CHOSEN from the people who God rested His Spirit upon, he died and was raised from the dead and God gave him of an oath that He had promised to David. Jesus is a man first to receive the mercies of God. This OATH, that is God’s WORD was WITH God since before the world was, God had made all things in him, He made all things through him and FOR him, as God had declared the END before the beginning. The Last Adam is the end, God being ALL in ALL, where humans walk in God’s path not ever missing a mark.
Thank you brother Gene,
Your post to t8 was exactly right, in regards to the word “through”.
They totally miss how the same passage says it was made FOR him, proving that he didn’t make it someone made it for him.
You said,
“Also that’s why we’re told, the sum of God’s words are truth, you can easily be lead down a wrong path by just taking some of scripture, because all must fit.”
God made heaven and earth FOR him. That creation that was made FOR him was made FOR a Son of Man to restore life and peace to, it was made FOR him so that a Son of Man could judge the world by God’s righteousness, it was made FOR him so a Son of Man could rule it until he has put all enemies under his feet so God may be ALL in ALL.
Same to you, “MAY God bless you and keep you, may he make his face to shine on you and be gracious unto you, may he lift up his countinounce upon you and give you peace”.
Much love, Jodi
Let’s expose those under the influence of evil.
Did God create the universe through the Son?
Yes / No.
Anything else is from the evil one. Up to you really. Your call.
I say yes.Hi T8,
Yes – through as in “because of” Jesus death on a cross. Jesus played no active role in creation
God bless
Ed JTo ALL,
To say that our lord the Christ came down to earth and was made into a human, is a direct lie.
Hi Jodi,
You have more explaining to do, because John 6:51 appears to disagree with your view of truth…
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
EDJ…..Let me paraphrase that for you seening you are dull of hearing and understanding.
Jesus was simply saying, he was the one given by GOD who is in heaven above, and that his “flesh body”, was that true bread (that gives life to the world), and “anyone” who eats “takes to himself” the death of his “flesh body”, for their sin, that bread will give him life,by forgiving his sins.
Jesus was not saying he was alive in heaven before his birth on this earth, that passage had nothing to do with a preexistence Jesus as you falsely believe.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Ed J,
YOU:
Hi Jodi,
You have more explaining to do, because John 6:51 appears to disagree with your view of truth…
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
ME: Ed J, the living bread Jesus says is his FLESH, nothing to do with pre-existence, and everything to do with God anointing a man according to Isaiah and David.
You and others want to ignore, or belittle, as if it is of no real importance or significance that God called the offspring of Jesse TO RIGHTEOUSNESS, where God would hold his hand and keep him to be a covenant, even a LIGHT to the Gentiles also.
God anointed Jesus, his human body of flesh and then sent him out into the world knowing full well he would be persecuted, but God would hold his hand and keep him from failing, keep him from missing God’s mark so that he could be MADE perfect BECOMING our source for eternal life.
THIS is applying the SUM of God’s word to a passage.
The living bread is the flesh of Jesus who Jesus tells you just after his baptism has had God’s Spirit rest upon it, an anointing, for the purpose of being SENT to fulfill God’s will, not his own. God sent him out to deliver captives, to give liberty.
Hi Ed J,
Is it a true statement to say that when God calls someone to righteousness sending him out to fulfill His will, that the one called is coming from heaven, coming directly from God?
When Jesus says he has been anointed and sent and that he does nothing of himself that he is performing not of his will but that of God’s, such directly equates to Jesus being SENT from heaven, from God.
When Jesus was sent out to deliver captives and set liberty he was doing so having been sent from heaven, from God.
Acts 13:23 “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised. 24 Before the coming of Jesus, John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel.
Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
CHRIO –to ANOINT, which Jesus was by God at the river Jordan sent out and seen rightfully as the Christos- Anointed One.
To ALL,
Jesus, born of a woman born under the law, says after his baptism that God SENT him, Jesus, a man of the earth, did not send himself out into the world. He himself did not come down from heaven, him being SENT out into the world came directly FROM heaven a command Jesus was following.
When Jesus comes to the people beginning in Galilee to preach, to perform God’s will doing signs and miracles, Jesus can rightfully say to the people that he comes from heaven, he is coming directly from God according to God’s will.
John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot SEE the kingdom of God.
Jesus is teaching, he is preaching of the Kingdom, preaching the acceptable year of the LORD, Jesus SEES this kingdom and he preaches it. He is able to SEE the kingdom of God BECAUSE he is a MAN who has been born again.
Should be as no surprise that in this same chapter Jesus calls himself the “only begotten Son”, as he was the only man that had been born again able to SEE the kingdom and preach to them of it.
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Me: If we take this literally, the Messiah wants us to be cannibals.
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Me: If we take this literally, the Messiah wants us to become vampires.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
1 Cor 15:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1 Cor 15:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Me: Rather, John 6:51,53 should be taken metaphorically. We PARTAKE (EAT AND DRINK) of the human heart of Christ and the holy spirit with the heart and soul of Christ in it when we are baptized of the holy spirit. THIS IS A SPIRITUAL CONDITION. Christ is the new husband of the new covenant.Romans 6:4 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and DRINK. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (soul) shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet ___ because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Me: Christ was the express image of the mind of God with his humanity in it. He shed his blood for us that we could be baptized in his death and resurrected to a new life.
Jodi and Gene are out of control.
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