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Hi All,
New American Standard Bible
John 6:63 “It is the SPIRIT who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the WORDS that I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and are life.Matt 12:34 …out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Me: God’s mind and heart are of the spirit. From it flows the words of the spirit by the spirit.
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
New American Standard Bible
1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.New American Standard Bible
John 5:26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;Me: God is spirit and life (John 6:63) The body of God is of secondary importance. The humanity in the SPIRIT of God gives life.
T8…..when speaking of a past event as JOHN was, it is natural to say the word “was” GOD, ” IN THE “BEGINNING” “was” the word and the word was “with” GOD AND “WAS” GOD. YES GOD AND HIS WORD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING.
T8…..if I were to say concerning you and this site, I could also say, in the beginning was the word and the word was with T8, and was t8. Why ? Because T8 and his word is one and the same. A word is simple an verbal expression of “your” mind. God’s words are also an expression of his mind to.
NOW the spirit of God was present on Jesus , and he spoke God’s words, “God’s words” that’s not “his” words he was speaking. Remember, “the words I am telling you are “not” my words” but the words of him who sent me.”
If you were to tell me something to tell someone else, and I were to do that, I could say the same thing, to that person, I could say the words I am telling you are not my words but the words of him that sent me, right?
It’s not “mysteriously” complicated, but quite simple really. Jesus is not GOD nor is he the “actual” word of God, no more that the Prophets were the word of God, even thought God, via his spirit, did speak through them to us all.
Seperating GOD FROM HIS OWN WORDS, IS ONE OF THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS LIES IN FALLEN CHRISTANITY.
T8…..Go and read 2 Ths 2 and place Jesus as the man of sin, and it should began to come together for you. Remember I am not saying Jesus himself is “really” a man of sin, but the false “IMAGE” of him created by fallen christanity turns the “perception” of him into a, man of sin. Why? Because It turns him, a “man”, into a God and causes him to be “worshiped ” as a God. Breaking the first commandment of God the Father.
Any such teachings are from deluded and decieved minds, and thats nearly all christendom.
He that has an ear let him hear.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi T8
New American Standard Bible
1 Cor 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.New American Standard Bible
John 5:26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;Me: God is spirit and life (John 6:63) The body of God is of secondary importance. The humanity in the SPIRIT of God gives eternal life.
I Forgot to add this critical part: “Life” here is ETERNAL LIFE”. Thus,
THE BAPTISM OF THE SPIRIT
1 Cor 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Salvation has come in the fleshly heart of the Messiah.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in ___flesh is of God:
John 14:11 … and the Father in me:..
And the heart of the flesh of man in God.
John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father...
Me: And God in us through the holy spirit, which is the Messiah.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
The Messiah will not be separated from his brethren.
Hi t8,
Jesus is a man, he is a Son of Man, he is called a human. Scripture states so just about 100 times.
Hi Jodi,
I have a verse I want you to explain how it fits into your view, ok?
“41 And he (Christ) said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son?
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, 43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?” (Luke 20:41-44)____________
God bless
Ed JThis seventh aspect in the Spirit or Word of God above is the man or soul of God which is the mediator part of the holy spirit.
Hi TruthComber,
Can you please explain to me (in quite a bit more detail) what you are talking about here?
Because I don’t get it. But I want to know what you mean. So please explain it to me, ok?_____________
God bless
Ed JTC…..What makes you think your EXPLANATIONS are right, we believe ours are right and yours are wrong, but you are right aboit one thing, most all christendom think like you and Carmel do, that I will give you. BUT THEN AGAIN Jesus told us that would happen , he said “many”, would come and say he was the christ , and decieve “many”, you are definitely of the “many”. He also said ” wide is the way that leads to death and “many” go there in threat, but narrow is the gate and straight is the way that’s leads to life, and “few” there be that find it.
Hi Gene,
Are you claiming that only you and Jodi (of all the members on H-net) are the only two
who are going through the straight gate (according to your understanding)?“Yes” or “No”
God and his word was “in” JESUS,VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT
Yes Gene,
That is because “The Word” is “the HolySirit”
We seem to be in agreement here. Please
let me know if you think differently, ok?____________
God bless
Ed JJodi. Jesus is a man, he is a Son of Man, he is called a human. Scripture states so just about 100 times. He is also called the Word of God, the Son of God, and the many other titles above being a man.
That is because he came in the flesh.
Hi Ed j
You quote me: This seventh aspect in the Spirit or Word of God above is the man or soul of God which is the mediator part of the holy spirit.
Hi TruthComber,You: Can you please explain to me (in quite a bit more detail) what you are talking about here?
Because I don’t get it. But I want to know what you mean. So please explain it to me, ok?Me: See my response on the tread “ The Creations of Genesis 1 and John 1 Revised .
Hi Ed j,
Ed j
You: TC…..What makes you think your EXPLANATIONS are right, we believe ours are right and yours are wrong, but you are right aboit one thing, most all christendom think like you and Carmel do, that I will give you. BUT THEN AGAIN Jesus told us that would happen , he said “many”, would come and say he was the christ , and decieve “many”, you are definitely of the “many”. He also said ” wide is the way that leads to death and “many” go there in threat, but narrow is the gate and straight is the way that’s leads to life, and “few” there be that find it.
Me: A few can be just as or more deceiving.
No Ed, I do not believe in what most of Christendom believe, on the contrary. For example, I do not believe in the trinity. I do not believe in God the son but the son of God. I do not believe that the son of God pre-existed but that the Word did. I do not believe in Christmas, Easter and most of the so call Christian holidays. I do not believe in the Eucharist. I do believe that there is one God, but in a different way, the Word and God and now God and his son. I believe that the baptism of the holy spirit is dying with Christ through the holy spirit and not a special receiving of the spirit after we are baptized. I do not believe that Sunday is the Sabbath day, but Saturday, not from sunset to sunset (which I believe originates from moon worshipers in Babylon) but Saturday sunrise to Sunday sunrise an on and on. You have read my posts. How can you come to the conclusion that you do—that I am mainstream.
I have been banned from one forum because I disputed their trinity. I have been called all kinds of names on another forum because likewise. I have been accused of being so far to the left of mainstream that it was not funny.
Now mainstream have truths. They are not all wrong. Many good resources can be found from mainstream.
1 Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
This does not mean throw everything out of the window except what is contrary to mainstream. It means to accept what is true. And there is a lot of truth between the thorns out there.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Me: To me this means a great revival.
Just because you do not believe in mainstream doesn’t mean you have all the truth (being a cult) or even some of it. I don’t think anyone does.
TC…..The word “and” God?, how exactly do you seperate God from his word., nor can you? You can’t be seperated from your word, nor me from my word. All words are spirits, because they come from the mind of spirits. Jesus told us this, about the words he was telling us, “the words I am telling you “are’ spirit, and are “life”.
No where did Jesus ever say he (himself) was the word. But he did say the Father who was “in” him , how?, via the “holy spirit”, which by the way, all true believers also have in them.
When a person comes to understand the difference between the man Jesus and GOD the Father who “is” spirit who was “in” Jesus , many scriptures become understandable, Heres one for instance, Jesus spoke these words, now let’s see who was actually speaking, he said, destory this “temple” and in three days “I” shall raise “it” up. Guss who said that, was it Jesus or God the Father speaking through Jesus, “first person”? Remember scripture says it was GOD the Father who raise Jesus up, so that had to be the Father speaking, God considers our bodies as temples he can live in, how ?, via his Holy Spirit.
Now if I have that same spirit in me that is in Jesus, that comes from God the Father , then I am in God and in Jesus and all the Saint’s and they are ‘in” me, by the operation of that one and same spirit which is of God. It’s That simple nothing complicated about.
Modern christanity so busy trying to present The man Jesus as a GOD, or something different then an ordinary human being, who they say preexisted and created everything, fail to see the true work of God “in” and “through” ordinary human kind.
Nowhere Jesus ever sai he himself , is the “word”, he always gave the glory to the Father, in “everything” he did.
But modern christanity put him on a pedestal makes him and worships him as their God, which drives a wedge between him and the rest of humanity. Their doctrine is a “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION”, which is the “many” who are preaching a prexistent and a triune Jesus .
TC , I am glad to see where you do differ from them, it good to hear you don’t believe in the trinity, nor Jesus’ preexistence, and the Sunday instead of the Sabbath, and all the pagan days. That I certanily do agree with you on those thing. What i don’t understand how you think you differ from Jodi and I then?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready…And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in BLOOD: and his name is called The WORD OF GOD…
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…14 And the Word was made (me: one with) flesh, …
Me: The Messiah did not pre-exist, but the Word had.Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready…And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in BLOOD: and his name is called The WORD OF GOD…
Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Me: notice the Word was clothed (John 1:14). This means that he also had the seed (nature of David in him). For God gives every seed a body (1 Cor 15:38).
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
This is what Gene wrote you, not me
Hi Ed j,
Ed j
You: TC…..What makes you think your EXPLANATIONS are right, we believe ours are right and yours are wrong, but you are right aboit one thing, most all christendom think like you and Carmel do, that I will give you. BUT THEN AGAIN Jesus told us that would happen , he said “many”, would come and say he was the christ , and decieve “many”, you are definitely of the “many”. He also said ” wide is the way that leads to death and “many” go there in threat, but narrow is the gate and straight is the way that’s leads to life, and “few” there be that find it.
Me: A few can be just as or more deceiving.
No Ed, I do not believe in what most of Christendom believe, on the contrary. For example, I do not believe in the trinity. I do not believe in God the son but the son of God. I do not believe that the son of God pre-existed but that the Word did. I do not believe in Christmas, Easter and most of the so call Christian holidays. I do not believe in the Eucharist. I do believe that there is one God, but in a different way, the Word and God and now God and his son. I believe that the baptism of the holy spirit is dying with Christ through the holy spirit and not a special receiving of the spirit after we are baptized. I do not believe that Sunday is the Sabbath day, but Saturday, not from sunset to sunset (which I believe originates from moon worshipers in Babylon) but Saturday sunrise to Sunday sunrise an on and on. You have read my posts. How can you come to the conclusion that you do—that I am mainstream.
I have been banned from one forum because I disputed their trinity. I have been called all kinds of names on another forum because likewise. I have been accused of being so far to the left of mainstream that it was not funny.
Now mainstream have truths. They are not all wrong. Many good resources can be found from mainstream.
1 Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
This does not mean throw everything out of the window except what is contrary to mainstream. It means to accept what is true. And there is a lot of truth between the thorns out there.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Me: To me this means a great revival.
Just because you do not believe in mainstream doesn’t mean you have all the truth (being a cult) or even some of it. I don’t think anyone does.
Hi Ed j
You quote me: This seventh aspect in the Spirit or Word of God above is the man or soul of God which is the mediator part of the holy spirit.
Hi TruthComber,
You: Can you please explain to me (in quite a bit more detail) what you are talking about here?
Because I don’t get it. But I want to know what you mean. So please explain it to me, ok?Me: See my response on the tread “ The Creations of Genesis 1 and John 1 Revised .
Hi TruthComber,
How would I know what post you are referring to???
Can’t you re-post it here.
TC…..What makes you think your EXPLANATIONS are right, we believe ours are right and yours are wrong, but you are right aboit one thing, most all christendom think like you and Carmel do, that I will give you. BUT THEN AGAIN Jesus told us that would happen , he said “many”, would come and say he was the christ , and decieve “many”, you are definitely of the “many”. He also said ” wide is the way that leads to death and “many” go there in threat, but narrow is the gate and straight is the way that’s leads to life, and “few” there be that find it.
Hi Gene,
Are you claiming that only you and Jodi (of all the members on H-net) are the only two
who are going through the straight gate (according to your understanding)?“Yes” or “No”
Gene,
You are not answering my question
God and his word was “in” JESUS,VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT
Yes Gene,
That is because “The Word” is “the HolySirit”
We seem to be in agreement here. Please
let me know if you think differently, ok?____________
God bless
Ed JGene,
you did not answer this question either
Edj….I do believe the word is and was God, and he (God) is a spirit, as Jesus clearly said that the Father was “in” him. Scripture tell us there are seven spirits of God. Jesus has and had all seven of the spirits of God in him, therefore he is fully informed of the will and knowledge of the Father, because God gives him the spirit without measure.
The question is or should be, what is Spirit?, to me spirits come in many types and kinds. There clean and unclean spirits and spirits of devils, which can also go into a person an completely posse people, and even speak through those people at times , as God the Father did in Jesus, and does and through his prorophets,which includes the man Jesus.
The problem is when people try to make Jesus himself the word or that spirit that is “in” him, it confuses everything, it would be like saying a person possessed by a demonic spirit, was the demonic spirit themselves.
Jesus gave us a very Good understanding about Spirits, when he said ” when an unclean spirit leaves a man, it goes about in “arid” places seeking rest. But finding none it goes back to the house from which it came finding it clean, and takes seven other spirits worse then it, then he tell us that the last state of that man was worse then the first. But if we have been given the holy (or special) spirit of God the Father in us, then our later end is better. Spirit is spirit they function in the same way, they come in many “types and kinds”
That is basically how spirits work, there are both clean and unclean spirits, spirits effect the minds of the person they are in, so does the Spirits of God also, Spirits of God give those they are in the “cognisity” of God, remember what Paul said, “know you not that you “body” is the temple of God. Does it not say “that God may be “in” and through “all”.
“Now if the Spirit that raised Jesus christ from the dead, be in you, he who raised Jesus from the dead will also quicken you mortal (dead) “bodies”, just as it did his.
If you have the mind of God, “via the holy spirit”, in you, you are just like Jesus, while we may not have the fullness of the Spirit, we certanily do have the ” earnest of it”, as we are told. It is the same for us as it is for Our brother Jesus by the same “anointing” spirit of God. We are “now childern of God, and are joint heirs with Jesus our lord, but better our brother in the family of God.
Those who try to preach Jesus as different kind of “being” then we are, by their “DOCTRINES OF SEPERATION” ARE OF THE EVIL ONE. Jesus was the first “perfected human being” we are to be exactly like him also, by that same holy spirit. What God the Father did for Jesus he can do for us, Jesus’ brothers and sister, in the exact same way.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
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