The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[gollamudi]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,20:03)

Hi LU, Not late in NZ-8pm My take God gave of His spirit to Jesus and he became a living spirit. He died and gave of that Spirit to us. He no longer had his own.

Hi Nick,
It means Jesus doesn't have his own Spirit now while he is sitting with the Father in heaven?
Vow, you are great now I can get what type of understanding you are with.

[Lightenup]

Nick,
I was just about to ask you what time it was in NZ, the other side of the world.:;):

[gollamudi]

Hi LU,
It's 14:00 hrs in India

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Have you read Mt 27.50?

“50And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.”

or Jas 2
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

DEAD… But made alive in the Spirit. 1Peter3

, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

The Spirit of God gave him life
“

[gollamudi]

Hi Nick,
When we die our spirit goes back to God the giver of spirits, what's so different in case of Jesus in Matt 27:50?
When Jesus was resurrected his spirit came back from God but the body is different, celestial or spiritual according to Paul 1 Cor 15:35-55, it is also our hope in resurrection we all will be given a body similar to Jesus. Why are you confusing that Jesus gave up his spirit and gave to us?
Take care
Adam

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
The Spirit of Christ is that given him by God at the Jordan.
Only those reborn of that Spirit will be raised in the same way he was.

[gollamudi]

Yes that is the Spirit of anointing given from God to Jesus, but you are completely ignoring that Jesus is a separate person and is having his own personal spirit. Again you are misquoting about resurrection my brother. Yes we have also received Spirit of God as a seal of our acceptance as sons and daughters of God as you have quoted that when we are 'reborn'. But we will be raising with our own spirits at resurrection otherwise you don't have your identity as Nick in resurrection.

[Lightenup]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,04:18)

Hi LU, It's 14:00 hrs in India

Hi Golla,
I was about to ask you what time it was for you but I get the impression that you would rather I just disappear from these boards. Thanks for telling me though.

LU

[gollamudi]

Hi LU,
I think you are funny

[Lightenup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,05:23)

Hi GM, The Spirit of Christ is that given him by God at the Jordan. Only those reborn of that Spirit will be raised in the same way he was.

Hi Nick,
Can you show us in scripture where it tells you that Christ received the Spirit of Christ at the Jordan? Wasn't He born with a spirit within Him and wouldn't that be the Spirit of Christ? If not, can you prove that?

The Spirit of Christ was around back in the prophets days.
1 Peter 1:10-11

10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
NASU

LU

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,19:07Hi WJ,)

Tons of tortured and twisted verses do not make one truth.

Instead of making such an accusation, why don't you show me where I have twisted the verses.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,19:07Hi WJ,)

If you cannot reconcile Acts 10.38 you should start again.

Again, do you put acts 10:38 over the others or do you view them in light together?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,19:07Hi WJ,)

And if you are humble and love scripture you would do so.

Practice what you preach.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,19:52)

WJ, How about a combo spirit?  You can get them seperately or all together.  If two people can become one flesh why can't two spirits become one spirit in an even fuller way than when they were seperate. BTW, what is everybody doing up so late:(

Hi LU

I do not think that Paul is refering to a “combo” Spirit.

A close study of the scriptures shows that the Apostles make no difference in the Father who is Spirit and the Spirit of Yeshua and the Holy Spirit. Yet scriptures show there are three persons spoken of.

You seem to see the Father and Yeshua, but who is this…

Jn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Cant be the Father…

[NickHassan]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 06 2008,03:14)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,05:23) Hi GM, The Spirit of Christ is that given him by God at the Jordan. Only those reborn of that Spirit will be raised in the same way he was. Hi Nick, Can you show us in scripture where it tells you that Christ received the Spirit of Christ at the Jordan?  Wasn't He born with a spirit within Him and wouldn't that be the Spirit of Christ?  If not, can you prove that? The Spirit of Christ was around back in the prophets days. 1 Peter 1:10-11 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. NASU LU

Hi LU,
He was a normal man, body soul and spirit.
His spirit left him at calvary.
He was raised.

It does not say his own spirit returned.
Neither does it say that ours does.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
The spirit of man returns to God.

Ecc 12
7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The soul of man goes to Death or Hades and the souls of the sons of God go to the mansions of Christ. The sons wait to be raised by the abiding Spirit of God while the rest await the second resurrection and the general judgement.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
The raising of Lazarus and the daughter of Jairus may be different.
Luke 8:55
And her spirit returned, and she got up immediately; and He gave orders for something to be given her to eat.

[Lightenup]

Nick,
Does it spell it out in scripture that Jesus had a spirit of a man. I know He had abody of a man but I haven't read that He had the spirit of a man.

LU

[Lightenup]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,11:09)

Hi LU, I think you are funny

Golla,
I hope that is a good “funny”

[NickHassan]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 06 2008,09:09)

Nick, Does it spell it out in scripture that Jesus had a spirit of a man.  I know He had abody of a man but I haven't read that He had the spirit of a man. LU

Hi LU,
He was a man.
Men have a spirit.

Without a spirit men are dead[Jas]
That spirit left him at calvary.

[Lightenup]

Nick,
Do you have the spirit of Nick or someone else? Did He have the spirit of Christ or someone else? Ya see what I mean? If He had the spirit of Christ, well that spirit pre-existed Christ's flesh. It was within the prophets of old. So, the spirit of Christ is a little different than normal man's because I haven't read any scripture that says certain men's spirits indwell other people before their body existed.

Obviously, the Spirit of Christ had been indwelling others before His flesh existed and dwells within those whose heart God has sent it.
LU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
He was just like us.

Rom 8
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

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