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From the Jehovah's Witnesses own Bible.
Quote “NWT II Cor 3:17
Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.JEHOVAH The Holy Spirit
Compare (KJV)
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.Even their own Bible contradicts them
Quote (Cult Buster @ Jan. 18 2007,03:01) There are Three separate Beings, each God and equal with one another. Though they hold different offices, they are nevertherless each God. Three Divine beings within the Godhead with three different offices they choose to perform,
H2O can exist in three different realities, yet remain H2)
•Ice
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•or SteamEach Person of the Godhead can choose a different office, yet remain God.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Isaiah 6:3 says, “And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
” Did you catch that? That's one “holy” for each person of the Godhead!
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
All praise to God the Father… God the Son Jesus Christ… and God the Holy Spirit! ALL Three merit perfect praise. Holy, Holy, Holy! If there is only one God they would not have repeated the worshipful praise three times.
Holy! Holy! Holy!
Hi Cb,
I prefer the bible teachings. You have a strange new religion.Quote (Cult Buster @ Jan. 18 2007,03:01) There are Three separate Beings, each God and equal with one another. Though they hold different offices, they are nevertherless each God. Three Divine beings within the Godhead with three different offices they choose to perform,
H2O can exist in three different realities, yet remain H2)
•Ice
•Liquid
•or SteamEach Person of the Godhead can choose a different office, yet remain God.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Isaiah 6:3 says, “And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
” Did you catch that? That's one “holy” for each person of the Godhead!
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
All praise to God the Father… God the Son Jesus Christ… and God the Holy Spirit! ALL Three merit perfect praise. Holy, Holy, Holy! If there is only one God they would not have repeated the worshipful praise three times.
Holy! Holy! Holy!
CB you have offered this argument before, and I will reply as before. You say God is three seperate Beings. I have no problem with this.As for them being equal, this does not seem to line up with Scripture. Ask yourself these questions:
Are they equal if one submits to another?
Are they equal if one sends another?
Are they equal if one is the path, or the door to the other?
Are they equal if one only does what the Father tells Him?
Are they equal if one gives authority to another?I think not.
David
Quote More than a hundred times the holy spirit is referred to as “the spirit of Jehovah,” “God’s spirit,” “my spirit” etc. All such possessive uses of the holy spirit further argue that it is an instrumentality rather than a separate and distinct person. From the Jehovah's Witnesses own Bible.
NWT II Cor 3:17
Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.JEHOVAH The Holy Spirit
Compare KJV
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD (JEHOVAH): for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD(JEHOVAH) : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.With
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Even your Arian “bible” (NWT) contradicts you lot.
David
Quote All those scriptures you posted about the holy spirit having personality, speaking, teaching, comforting, etc. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU CB:
Pleae try to answer it directly.
Does such statements in themselves prove personality?
YES
Quote So, does a statment about the holy spirit “teaching” for example prove in itself that the holy spirit is a person? See the following:
The Holy Spirit is a Person:
a. He performs personal actions in association with other persons: Matthew 28:19; Acts 15:28;
Revelation 22:17 – NB The Holy Spirit is a separate person from the Father and Jesus – Matthew
28:19 etc.b.Takes the place of Jesus: John 14:16. Could an impersonal force take the place of the Divine Jesus on earth?
c.The Greek word translated “Comforter,” “Helper,” or similar here is parakletos. This New Testament Greek word is never applied to other than persons.
d.In John chapters 14-16 Jesus deliberately broke the rules of Greek Grammar and referred to the Holy Spirit as “He,” “Him,” etc. We must either accept that Jesus did this in order to make it clear to us that the Holy Spirit is a Person, or, we have to accept that our perfect Jesus made a number of uncharacteristic blunders.
e.e.He exhibits qualities which evidence personal existence: Mind – Romans 8:27; 1 Corinthians 2:10, Will – 1 Corinthians 12:11, Foreknowledge – John 16:13, He speaks – Acts 1:16, Commands and Forbids – Acts 8:29; 11:12; 13:2, 4; (In these verses just mentions He refers to Himself as “me” and “I.” If this was not a Person speaking then language doesn’t mean anything anymore);16:6, 7; 10:19, 20, Appoints – Acts 20:28, Vexed and Grieved – Isaiah 63:10; Ephesians 4:30, Works Miracles – Acts 2:4; 8:39, Can be insulted – Hebrews 10:29, Blasphemed – Mark 3:29, Loves us – Romans 15:30.
The Holy Spirit is God:
Most, even those who deny the personality of the Holy Spirit, will admit that He is God in some way.
a.He is clearly referred to as God: Acts 5:3, 4.
b.Compare 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17 with 6:19 and also 2 Corinthians 6:16.
Compare 1 Corinthians 12:11 with 12:28.c.The Holy Spirit is Yahweh: Compare Jeremiah 31:33, 34 with Hebrews 10:15-17.
“ Psalm 95:7-11 with Hebrews 3:7-11.
“ Isaiah 6:9, 10 with Acts 28:25-28.
“ 2 Samuel 23:2 with 2 Samuel 23:3.d. The Holy Spirit is Eternal: Hebrews 9:14.
It is quite ridiculous really to say that the Holy Spirit is just the spiritual presence of the Father or the Son or of both. At the baptism of Jesus the Three were manifested there. The Father spoke from heaven, Jesus was in the water being baptized, and the Holy Spirit came down upon Jesus like a dove.
The Father and Jesus needed no spiritual presence of any third party.
Remember too the baptismal formula Jesus gave at Matthew 28:19 – “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
Blind Freddy can surely see that there are Three Persons in the Heavenly Trio, and this includes God The Holy Spirit.
Quote Hi,
Why do weak vessels desperately in need of grace to even live, expound so bravely about God from outside of what he teaches by His Spirit in the Word?NH
Maybe because you are not God and dont know the hearts of men. Maybe they are not as weak as you think!
Dont be so quick to Judge. Peter was a Rock and yet betrayed him, but his weakness became his strength.
Because men seem to be brave or bold to preach the Gospel is not necessarily a sign of weakness.
Neither is it a sign of strength.
Behold, Job did nothing wrong, his defence was a righteous one, the Lord said he was perfect, and in the end of his test his confession was…
Job 42:5
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.His relationship with God had gone from hearing of the Lord to now seeing him!
And God gave him twice the wealth he had!
Be not to quick to judge the hearts of men like the sons of thunder!
Quote Hi W,
Let His words be yours or be silent before Him.NH
Can you hear his words speaking to you?
Hi W,
We would love to hear Christ through you but instead we hear Constantine and Athanasius and popes.Quote Hi W,
We would love to hear Christ through you but instead we hear Constantine and Athanasius and popes.NH
Listen to his voice NH, he is calling you!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 18 2007,04:59) Hi Oxy,
A being has life in itself.
You are saying there are three gods.
God is one.
Ahh Nick, I think that if you confuse Scripture as much as you do my posts, then it is no wonder you can't see the truth.Our one God consists of:
The Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit.If the Father and the Holy Spirit were one and the same, why do they warrant different names?
Why does the Father send the Holy Spirit?
Why does the Holy Spirit speak what He hears?Those who received Christ were made one with the Father, why then did they need to receive the Holy Spirit?
Hi Oxy,
Since a being has life in itself would you like to redraw your god so as to be one being? Otherwise you do have three gods.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2007,18:29) Hi Oxy,
Since a being has life in itself would you like to redraw your god so as to be one being? Otherwise you do have three gods.
Nick, you are confused. You are making something quite simple into something very complicated. I have explained this concept to you many times, yet still you are blind.It will be interesting when you face God. He will ask you for an account of your life and you will reply “I confused many people”
We are made in the image of God. We are a three part being with our soul being the dominant factor. Work it out Nick.
Hi Oxy,
You spoke of one of the members of your trinity as a being.
If so then God is not one being, God, but three gods as a being has independant life.
We are made in the image of God and none of us are three beings.Hi Oxy:
Just want to establish something. Since we, as you say, and I agree. are made in the image of God, and our soul is our dominant factor. Does God have a soul?
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 19 2007,22:40) Hi Oxy: Just want to establish something. Since we, as you say, and I agree. are made in the image of God, and our soul is our dominant factor. Does God have a soul?
God Bless
Hi, that's a very good question. The soul is spirit in form and God is spirit. I know that this example is less than perfect, but Father is the soul of God, the decision maker and great authority. Jesus, who was born in the flesh as we are, is the body, subjected to death even as we are. Our spirit is our conscience, sixth sense, intuition etc. The Holy Spirit communes with us in a similar way to our conscience.Quote Just want to establish something. Since we, as you say, and I agree. are made in the image of God, and our soul is our dominant factor. Does God have a soul? “God as Having Soul. In view of the foregoing, it appears that the scriptures in which God speaks of “my soul” (Le 26:11, 30; Ps 24:4; Isa 42:1) are yet another instance of an anthropomorphic usage, that is, the attributing of physical and human characteristics to God to facilitate understanding, as when God is spoken of as having eyes, hands, and so forth. By speaking of ‘my ne′phesh,’ Jehovah clearly means “myself” or “my person.” “God is a Spirit [Pneu′ma].””
–Insight book, volume 2, page 1004The word “soul” is often used in the Bible to mean “life.” Obviously, God has life. Therefore, God has soul.
LEVITICUS 26:11
“And I shall certainly put my tabernacle in the midst of YOU, and my soul will not abhor YOU.”LEVITICUS 26:30
“And I shall certainly annihilate YOUR sacred high places and cut off YOUR incense stands and lay YOUR own carcasses upon the carcasses of YOUR dungy idols; and my soul will simply abhor YOU.”PSALM 24:4
“Anyone innocent in his hands and clean in heart, Who has not carried My soul to sheer worthlessness, Nor taken an oath deceitfully.”ISAIAH 42:1
“Look! My servant, on whom I keep fast hold! My chosen one, [whom] my soul has approved! I have put my spirit in him. Justice to the nations is what he will bring forth.”Ministering spirits of salvation recreated
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
David’s Soul to become a quickening spirit
Isa 42:1 ¶ Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, [in whom] my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
David’s promise of a quickened spirit was laid upon the Christ
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou sufferThe seed fathers all have to rise form the grave to be made quickend spirits, even us after christ the first friuts of them that slept each in his own turn
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