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Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 05 2006,04:22) NH. Open your eyes!
If the Holy Spirit was only Christ's Spirit, then explain the following:The Bible speaks of Him as:
1. The Spirit Himself (Romans 8:16; 8:26)
2. The Spirit of God (Romans 8:9; 8:14)
3. The Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9)… Come out of her, my people,..
Hi CB,Is God three spirits to you?
Does Romans 8 speak of three different spirits?Rom 8
“9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. “Does this scripture speak of two spirits to you?
Is God only the Holy Spirit to you?
But Jesus said to pray to God in heaven when the Holy Spirit was in him.
Why?Ps 11
” 4The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.5The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. “
Do you pray TO the Holy Spirit?
Does scripture tell us to do this?
Or do you pray to a trinity?sscott posted
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“Hi Cult Buster,Maybe you could answer a few questions I have. The first one is..if God is a Trinity..one being three persons, How could God forsake Himself on the cross? If the Father forsook the Son and they are one being then God forsook Himself which is impossible. Which would also mean that God poured out His wrath on Himself? Right? ”
Wrong!
God (Elohiym) is not a trinity but a Godhead.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohiym-plural) created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:26 And God (Elohiym-plural) said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhîym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God;The “trinity” is not the same as the Godhead. This is where many on this forum are getting confused
AS we have proven over and over again on this forum there are three divine Persons comprising the Godhead (Elohiym). Each a separate Being and each God in His own right.
This is not the trinity doctrine taught by the Catholic church.
Catholicism teaches that there was one God the Father, and out of him came the Son, and out of them both came the Holy Spirit. One god in three; three gods in one blend.This is not Biblical nor is the Arian doctrine propagated by many on this forum
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (Y'hovah) our God (Elohiym-plural) is one LORD (Y'hovah):
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
NH
Quote Do you pray TO the Holy Spirit?
Does scripture tell us to do this?
Or do you pray to a trinity?Dont you read your Bible?
You pray to the Father in Christs name. There is evidence in scripture that you may pray directly to Christ.
That is the plan of salvation. Each of the three divine Persons within the Godhead (Elohiym-plural) has a different office which They Themselves have chosen. If you cannot work out God then you need to accept the clear word of Scripture.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 10 2006,06:17) NH Quote Do you pray TO the Holy Spirit?
Does scripture tell us to do this?
Or do you pray to a trinity?Dont you read your Bible?
You pray to the Father in Christs name. There is evidence in scripture that you may pray directly to Christ.
That is the plan of salvation. Each of the three divine Persons within the Godhead (Elohiym-plural) has a different office which They Themselves have chosen. If you cannot work out God then you need to accept the clear word of Scripture.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Hi CB,
Did Jesus choose his roles or offices
or was he appointed to them by the Father,
who is greater than him?He has a God that he serves.
Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 10 2006,06:06) sscott posted Quote
“Hi Cult Buster,Maybe you could answer a few questions I have. The first one is..if God is a Trinity..one being three persons, How could God forsake Himself on the cross? If the Father forsook the Son and they are one being then God forsook Himself which is impossible. Which would also mean that God poured out His wrath on Himself? Right? ”
Wrong!
God (Elohiym) is not a trinity but a Godhead.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (Elohiym-plural) created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:26 And God (Elohiym-plural) said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhîym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God;The “trinity” is not the same as the Godhead. This is where many on this forum are getting confused
AS we have proven over and over again on this forum there are three divine Persons comprising the Godhead (Elohiym). Each a separate Being and each God in His own right.
This is not the trinity doctrine taught by the Catholic church.
Catholicism teaches that there was one God the Father, and out of him came the Son, and out of them both came the Holy Spirit. One god in three; three gods in one blend.This is not Biblical nor is the Arian doctrine propagated by many on this forum
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD (Y'hovah) our God (Elohiym-plural) is one LORD (Y'hovah):
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Hi cb,
If Jesus is God
who is the Son of God?NH.
You are still confusing Christ mission as the Messiah with His substance which is God.Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
It is time that you realise that your cult has brainwashed you.
Come out of the Watchtower.
Hi CB,
The Son of God is not our God but his God is our God.Eph 1
” 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: “Come out of the Watchtower and be free from this cult.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hi CB,
Jesus told us true worshipers worship the Father.21Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
For us there is ONE GOD and Jesus is our Lord.
1Cor 8
” 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”Is the Father your God?
Quote Come out of the Watchtower and be free from this cult. Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Again, I'd like to point out that CB doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. He was told twice that there's only one JW on here. He's having trouble getting that.
Hi,
Eph 2
“2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
So Paul is writing to gentiles here, aliens to the promise and controlled by the god of this world until brought into the kingdom of light. We are among them chosen to be used as vessels for the purposes of God and to share eternity with Him.
The Body of Christ is based on the foundation stone of Jesus himself and those built onto him as living stones form with him a dwelling place and a temple for God. God is manifest in that body as His Spirit.
The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God in the body of Christ. Just as we can worship God in our own temples with the help of God's Spirit so the Body of Christ is inhabited by the one Spirit of Christ giving life and unity to that body.ps
“20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
No one suggests that we should take this verse to mean we should worship the Spirit of God in the temple of God or in our own body temples. That is because although the Spirit is an aspect of God His role is not to be worshipped but to help us serve and worship God.
Rom 8
” 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.”
Quote True, God cannot be understood by natural means. So would it not be wise in that case to preach the following: t8
Its obvious you dont understand the trinitarian view or else you wouldnt make this statement.
Did a trinitarian make your image there?
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Very simple to understand if you were not brainwashed by the Watchtower.
There is one God the Father. There is also one God the son. In this verse he is referred to as Lord Jesus Christ. Ask Thomas who Lord Jesus Christ is.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him(Jesus), My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.Ask The Father who Christ is.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
In case you are not sure Who else is your Lord.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
In case you still haven't got it:
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Come out of the Watchtower!
Hi CB,
You say
“There is also one God the son. In this verse he is referred to as Lord Jesus Christ”
Can you show us where he is referred to as God the Son?Open your eyes NH!
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Come out of that Arian cult.
Hi CB,
Your favourite verse.
“Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. “So God Himself, the One Jesus calls “the only true God,” calls His Son God.
Does that change anything for us?
Angels are called Elohim
but scripture says“For us there is One God THE FATHER
and one Lord Jesus Christ”It does not make
our Lord
our God.It does not make
the Son of God
God HimselfNH
Quote It does not make
the Son of God
God HimselfDon't you believe God the Father?
Look again!
“Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. “
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Election of the holy one of Israel;
How was Moses in the running for this election; Lo who came in volume of book? it is written of me? To do the work of my father
Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hbr 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.Old testament plasms the same quotes are found as in Hebrews 1;8;9 the origin to search for understanding
From the Song for the royal wedding
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre.
Psa 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.Hbr 3:2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses [was faithful] in all his house.
Hbr 3:3 For this [man] was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
Hbr 3:7 ¶ Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Hbr 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Zec 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they [are] men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.
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