The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

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  • #809945
    GeneBalthrop
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    NICK…..Hebrews sayGOD CREATES HIS ANGELS SPIRITS,THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THEY ARE ACTUALLY SPIRIT BEINGS, DOES IT? I know of no scripture that says ANGELS ARE SPIRITS BEINGS. IF THEY WERE SPIRITS AS YOU SAY HOW IS ITTHE EAT MANNA? WHY IS IT CALLED ANGEL’S FOOD, do SPIRITS NEED FOOD? While they may have spirits in them as we do, i have never found a scripture that says they “are” spirits. If you have something that supports your conclusions on this please present it brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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    #809950
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Finding truth by using logic and intellect is not the way.

    It is written.

     

    #810022
    Ed J
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    Ed, could you please answer my question?

    If the Holy Spirit is God the Father like you say; how does God the Father not speak “on his own initiative”?

    Hi Miia,

    Usually you do not accept my explanations when I give them, and that is what makes me reluctant to give them.
    But OK I will give this question a go, because you seem sincere here in your desire to learn more about God.

    The spirit of God (within us) does not draw attention to himself in us, but he will not deny himself either;
    instead he speaks through us about Christ’s sacrifice in our behalf so that others too
    may have this same right relationship with Him as those who have been
    baptized with God’s HolySpirit have with Him.

    I hope you find my answer acceptable (:

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #811610
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    There were times when God did speak from the heavenlies in support of His Son Jesus Christ.

    But as scripture says in Heb 1

    God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets,hath in these days spoken unto us by His son,whom he hath appointed heir of all things,by whom also He made the worlds..

    #822156
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    Matt 12.28

    But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, the kingdom of God has come upon you.

     

    But you seem to doubt that demons exist in men and that Jesus cast them out.

    You seem to ascribe the whole idea to some sort of pagan superstition.

     

    Is that because you doubt that Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit, or doubt the Holy Spirit’s abilities, or doubt the truth of scripture?

     

    #822225
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Ez 47.3f

    And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

    Again he measured a thousand , and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees.

    Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

    Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river I could not pass over; for the waters were risen; waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

    And he said to me ‘Son of Man , hast thou seen this?.Then he brought me , and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

     

    The Spirit is the river. God wants us to let go our need for control and to swim in the river. Walk in the Spirit.

    Do not try to control the wind which blows as it will. Anxiety will try to stop us trusting.

    If we live in the Spirit let us also walk in the Spirit. Gal5.25

     

    #822917
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Mk 3.28

    Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;

    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin

    -because they were saying ‘He has an unclean spirit’

    Acts 5.38

    So in this present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone,

    for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown; but if it is of God,

    you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.

     

    The Spirit draws reactions from men and those reactions can decide your future.

    Take care.

     

    #829360
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    The fruits of the Spirit are shown in Gal 5.22.

    Jesus Christ displayed them all.

    The gifts of the Spirit are detailed in 1Cor 12.27 f

    Jesus Christ demonstrated all of them.

     

    Jesus Christ was led by the Spirit and spoke the words of God.

     

    #829505
    NickHassan
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    Hi Dig4,

    The Spirit can remind you of the words of Jesus Christ because his words are spirit and life.

    It is all about the Spirit.

    All about God.

    #831306
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    “ The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy”

    The testimony of Jesus included teaching about Beelzebub, unclean spirits, Satan and the kingdom of darkness.

    You cannot be a faithful servant of the Lord Jesus Christ and deny his teachings.

     

    Lk 9.26

    For whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

    Mk8.38

    For whoever is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels .

     

    #831311
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick… You seem to be caught up in doctrines of demons, underworld teachings, the teaching of pagans, and their so-called Gods, like beelzebub (the lord of flies) , people still alive being punished, when they are dead. That devil being is going around jumping in and out of people at there will, causing them to sin.

    Jesus spoke many thing to those people in parables, so they couldn’t understand what he meant, God the Father told us not to engage into those pagan teachings.

    Remember Jesus said “IF” I, CAST OUT , he never said he did, did he, by those thing they were accusing him of. You act like Jesus really did cast them out by beelzabub, like they were saying, because you believe there really is a beelzebub. So you tell us that Jesus believed in beelzebub right?

    Peace and love to you and. …..gene

    #831316
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    The teachings of Jesus Christ about the kingdom of darkness are the teachings of the Holy Spirit.

    To ascribe his words to pagan superstition shows how far you have drifted from the love of truth.

    Do not deny his words as you deny him. Do not deny him or you deny the Father Who sent him.

     

    Sanctify them in truth. Your words are truth.

    jn 17.1

    Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will slay with the breath of his mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of his coming; that is the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

    2 Thess.2.8f

     

    #831317
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    ‘My words are spirit and they are life’

    Do you not believe this?

    #831318
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    If you can accept some of the teachings of the Spirit in Jesus Christ, but not others,

    who is your Lord?

    #831320
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick….I accept all the teachings of our lord, just not your renditions of some of them “sometimes”.

    As far as the prophecied lawless goes, it is not a “real” person, it is a false “image” generated by the fallen churches, about Jesus, being a God, and they worship him as such. And it will be Jesus himself, out of his own mouth, that will “abolish” that “Lie”, at his return. Jesus is the only human, who has ever taken his seat in the temple of God, and is being worshiped as a God. I told you this before, do you really believe some other human could take his seat in the real “temple of God”?

    You lead us to believe you have the spirit of truth, but you seem unable to put together, What is written in 2Ths 2 .

    Are you waiting for some other human to take his seat in the “temple of God” and show himself as a God and be worshiped by everone as a God? The only one ever to asend to the temple of God is the reserected human, Jesus. Do you know of any other man who has accomplished that feat yet, other than Jesus?
    The spirit has reavealed this to me, as i have told you before, if you are waiting for another human to take his seat in the temple of God and be worshiped as a God m before Jesus returns, you will be taken by suprise, it’s latter then you and most think Nick.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #831323
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Renditions?

    Jesus taught about Satan, the evil spirit one, the devil and Beelzebub and the kingdom of darkness but you have assigned his words from the Spirit to pagan superstition.

    Will your Lord be pleased with you?

    #831332
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Thy Word is truth.

    Love of the truth saves us.

    All of it, not the bits our dogmas agree with.

     

    #831350
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Did you not know that we are all temples of God (1 Cor 17)and that together we make up a temple?

    Eph 2.19

    ’For through him we have our access to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,

    but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household having been built on the

    foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the corner stone,

    in whom the whole building being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,

    in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.’

     

    This is the temple of God

     

     

     

    #831366
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    NICK…OUR BODIES ARE INDEED THE TEMPLE OF the LIVING GOD,( if so be the spirit of God be in you) BUT IF JESUS SITS IN THAT TEMPLE BEING WORSHIPED AS A GOD, AS THE CASE OF MOST “CHRISTAINTY” THAT TEMPLE IS DEFILED RIGHT?, SCRIPTURE SAYS JESUS WAS TO SIT BESIDE GOD, TILL he (GOD) MAKES HIS ENIMIES HIS FOOTSTOOL.

    What i have told you about 2Ths 2, is true brother, rather you believe it or not, dosen’t change the truth.

    Also the is no beelzeebub (king of the flies) the is no demons jumping in and out of people m no neither world where people go when they die, but there is “EVIL OR UNCLEAN SPIRIT” ON THAT YOU ARE RIGHT. go back and reread what Jodi wrote, but this time think about it brother.

    NICK, you should be supporting me on 2 Ths 2, IMO. Because it is the truth.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #831367
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Believe you or believe Jesus Christ?

    We know his thoughts and his words are from the Spirit.

    Yours?

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